Game Recap: Mets 8, Marlins 6

Result: The Mets rebounded from a six-error performance Monday to win their second straight high-scoring affair with the Marlins, 8-6.


MLB: New York Mets at Miami Marlins


Need to Know: Juan Lagares had a perfect day at the plate, going 4-for-4 with three runs scored, two RBIs and two stolen bases. David Wright broke a 20-game streak without an extra-base hit with a second-inning double, going 3-for-4 with three RBIs. Travis d’Arnaud added three hits of his own, while Matt den Dekker and Wilmer Flores had two each. Jon Niese allowed six runs over six innings, but picked up his eighth win thanks to the Mets offense.


Game Ball: A few good options, but Lagares reaching base five times and playing stellar defense earns him the honors.


Links: AP recap | Box score


What’s Next: Jacob deGrom (7-6, 2.94 ERA) will look to follow up a gem in his second start back from the DL and lead the Mets to a series victory. Tom Koehler (9-9, 3.79 ERA) will toe the opposing rubber for the Marlins.




76 comments
NewBreeder
NewBreeder

I noticed Niese's velocity was down last night. Topped out at 88mph from what I saw.  Has this been the norm for him lately?  No one mentioned it last night. That's worrisome for me. And with Harvey an unknown quantity coming back SA may not be so inclined to trade for that SS and OF bat we so desperately need.  I'm preparing myself for a 2015 of denDekker and Flores.

NewBreeder
NewBreeder

.200 avg or not, Granderson's gonna play. He just had a bobblehead day.

saxon
saxon

See what happens when one of our two veterans hits? Speaking of Wright of course..It turns us into a winning club...Flores is one tough cookie to strike out...It shows he can handle the bigs... and is not swinging at the balls out of strike zone...He's patient and currently just trying to make contact which then he will turn into some power which he has...Good fielding also...Enjoy the Rookie...

robby
robby

The young kids are doing it!! 

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

You only run the risk of alienating Grandy (a much reported good clubhouse guy) if you move him now.  The Mets are playing for absolutely nothing at this point.  So trying to get more production out of the 2 hole is just silly.  Sure, win games.  that's the ultimate goal but realistically...that move makes the Mets a team with a .480 win % instead of .460?  who cares?

cyjabeli
cyjabeli

Lagares is starting to fill out....He's still young, he'll be a stud......

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

don't look now people...but uh....someone's heating up....

.250 BA/.630 OPS last 21 days

.270 BA/.712 OPS last 14 days

.318 BA/.875 OPS last 7 days...

ladies and gentleman, looks like Wilmer Flores is finally "getting it".....hope this kid rips the cover off the ball the next 21 days


1harris1
1harris1

Mejia is fourth in baseball with 12 saves since the all star break.  Interesting.  It seemed like he had fallen off for a bit there.  Nice to see him finishing strong.

lindro88
lindro88

So the lineup everyone bitched about two days in a row has put up 14 runs. There is no rhyme or reason. Some days they'll hit, most days they won't.

josef
josef

When the team finally scores 14 runs in 2 games, Grandy goes a total of 0 for 9, with 4 Ks!! :)

He should be benched for a series or 2, and then moved to 6th or 7th for the rest of the year!

Why does our horrible manager keep putting him to bat 2nd??

He needs 5 more games of 0 for something, to have his batting average dip below 200!

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

@NewBreeder His velocity has been down all season.  He is still pretty effective but on the decline...people dont want to hear that but look at the trajectory of pitching in the last 10 - 15 years or so, people think pitching is "consistent" but it isnt. 

hubie_wc
hubie_wc

I will play the devil's advocate on Flores. His 2013 big league stats and 2014 big league stats are essentially the same. Very little power, poor obp and low average. So barely any progress from last year, if any. If you look at his hits the last week, all pretty soft and lots of singles. His glove has been ok, certainly could be ok at 2b. If Uggla and Murphy can play 2b then Flores can too. I need to see more power or at least more gap hitting. Based on what I've seen from Wilmer, it would be tough to hand him a job in 2014.

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

@cyjabeli It would be so nice if he could develop into a leadoff hitter, not sure he walks enough but if he could develop plate discipline and steal some bases he could be very valuable in that slot

Jack Butler
Jack Butler

let's just hope Sandy doesnt use this an excuse to not go out and get offense in the offseason

hubie_wc
hubie_wc

I'm still not convinced. Wilmer has looked better but except for the HR agst the Braves, he is still not driving the ball. The vast majority of his hits have been soft singles. He also still looks off balance when he tries to hit an outside pitch the other way. I foresee Murphy being moved in the offseason and Flores and Herrera dueling for the 2b job with a slight edge to Flores as Herrera could use a bit more seasoning.

loopenark
loopenark

@Mr. SERCH  As a shortstop, fielding is essential. It's great that Flores is hitting, but he must also prove that he can handle things defensively. Minimally, he needs to be able to consistently make all the average shortstop plays and throws as well as turning the double play. The "advance press" before he got here was that he was not projected as an everyday ML shortstop. The next month should mostly be considered a test of his defense. We all know he can hit. Lets see if he can fit the bill defensively. We don't want a below average defensive SS on a team built around young pitching. 

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

@Mr. SERCH Been saying for a while id like to see him up in the lineup, I want to see what he can do with guys on base and with more pitches to hit

saxon
saxon

@Mr. SERCH 

Enjoyed your post for Flores..

He always has had it but now they are finding holes...I've always been a pro Flores guy on this board...Enjoy a little good news...

Doubleday
Doubleday

Wilmer has taken a while to adjust at every level. But he always does.

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@Mr. SERCH He isnt the only one. All of the young guys are starting to turn it around, which is really nice to see.

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

@1harris1 It's window dressing, the number of saves looks nice but he has really struggled in non save situations

Ed Renner
Ed Renner

@josef Pretty simple Josef. His boss paid Grandy $60Mil for 4 Years. How do you think our Manager would look to his boss? No doubt in my mind that SA has issued an edict to play the guy. Also no doubt in my mind that many of the moves that Terry does, NOT ALL, are at the directive of SA.

lindro88
lindro88

Regardless he's coming back next year as a starter. Unless he's somehow traded to a team that thinks he can hit in there lineup/ballpark. Benching him now is pointless.

1harris1
1harris1

@josef  Well, he did hit a long fly ball to advance a base runner in the 6th. 


At this point, we're really grasping at straws with this guy.  lol

surfer1
surfer1

@hubie_wc 

Patience... he will be a 15 homerun guy ...a year of course...30 doubles,,,80 rbi,,,,,285 average

Starz31
Starz31

@hubie_wc But that's where the stats are misleading. I don't think anyone can argue that Flores looks much better this season even if the results aren't much better. He's much more comfortable at the plate. He's not flailing at bad pitches and he has shown he has quick hands and sweet stroke. He hit a lot and hit for power this season in AAA. Just like TdA, it might take time for the power to show itself here. 

But of course, he needs to show power to really earn a starting spot. 

shawnp6986
shawnp6986

Totally agree.I've been screaming for TC to move him out of that dreaded 8 hole.

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@Doubleday  guy has been an above average, to VERY good hitter his entire minor league career, save ONE year..now while some people may see the glass as half empty on that and say "yeah, well..thats the minors, lot good that does THE METS," I SEE IT as half full, and that if people can just be a LITTLE patient in a losing season (what else ya gonna do in a LOSING season???) and let the kid do his thing, you're gonna wind up seeing a .290-.310 hitter, that we PRAY can play some DECENT SS...I still want them to explore (and execute) a trade with the Cubs for Baez, Russell, or Castro....but if he can finish the year hitting around .310 in the last 6 weeks, with that decent fielding, you almost have to consider keeping him for next year...which would be GREAT because then you can put all your eggs in one basket and go for one HUGE trade for a LF...dare I say Stanton??? (I dare it, but I don't think it's going to happen, at all...Miami will smarten up and extend him)....

spelletrader
spelletrader

@lindro88 It's hard to tell what would be more beneficial. Maybe giving Granderson some rest toward the end of the season would ease the toll on his body for next season. The team (and fans) also get to see some different faces. 


Of course if you play him every day he might break out of his dead-pull hitting ways and find himself. 

Both sides have pros and cons. It's safe to say that people will find reason to complain about whatever happens though. 

1harris1
1harris1

@lindro88  I honestly don't think it makes a difference.  Play him and he winds up hitting .195 for the year. 


This season is a lost cause for him (although I guess he would probably beg to differ).

Starz31
Starz31

@Mr. SERCH @Doubleday The Marlins will not keep Stanton. Their tried and true method is to sell high on their players and they will. And they will get a huge haul in return.

Stanton does not trust them at all. He's not going to sign a long term deal there knowing full well he could be out the door at any given moment like Reyes, Buerhle, or Hanley. 

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@Mr. SERCH @Doubleday Well really, you can say that about several Mets prospects. den Dekker, Lagares and d'Arnaud have all hit in the minor leagues. Really, they all need time to adjust. Unfortunately, Flores will probably hit 8th more times than not, so he has to learn to hit there. But there is tremendous value in a guy being about to hit out of that spot. I hope they all pan out, because I seriously doubt the Mets spend big this winter, regardless.

shawnp6986
shawnp6986

And plus,I really believe the Mets are banking on Conforto as our near future LFr.Don't see them signing or trading for a proven big bat in LF.

Definitely happy to see Wilmer starting to put it all together,but what can you say about Lagares?You could see from the start of 2014 season that he came in with crazy confidence,it was written all over him.Then he goes out this season and plays like a hands down,no doubt GG CF'r,IMO,he should win it hands down also.And now,after obviously proving he is our star CF'f he is putting it together with his bat and stealing bases to boot,which obviously he has the speed to do.This kid is a stud,the total package,in time,if not already,teams are going to be drooling over trying to acquire JLag.

I realize the Wilpons are strapped,and SA has made some head-scratching moves,but when its time to pay this kid they'd better be all in and ready to give him the years and $$ he's going to be worth.

WHEN we start contending,this kid is going to be invaluable in CF,the runs he saves for this team are going to be crucial to our success,his bat coming together and some speed on the base paths is a huge added bonus.

Brandon Hillman
Brandon Hillman

@Mr. SERCH @Doubleday I don't Miami will extend him. There ownership simply cannot afford what he will be worth. I know the Wilpons are cheap but if they traded for Stanton that would be the player the open up there wallets for. 

semperfi
semperfi

He is hitting .210 leading off and batting 4th, .080 batting 2nd and TC keeps putting him in that spot, he is hitting .395 and .286 in the 5th and 6th hole where he is obviously better suited for at this stage of his career, no triples, no SBs, he is not a top of the order guy anymore and I don't understand why TC can't get that through his thick scull, TC just look at the freakin #s, put your guys in positions to succeed not to fail! play to their strengths.

thecyclone
thecyclone

@josef @1harris1 We all know he should be benched but we all know he's not going to be. TC is not going to get on the bad side of a guy who is definetly going to be here next year and that if TC is here, knows he needs him on his side and playing well. Thats what its come down to. He cant alienate the high paid player, and I'm sure most managers wouldnt either.

Jack Butler
Jack Butler

i dont think they should move him down yet, he should get pitches to hit batting in front of Wright

Robert Hess
Robert Hess

@thecyclone @josef @1harris1 Why can't you alienate the high paid player?  It's more Sandy than TC but they are both guilty.  Other teams dump their fading stars but not the Mets.  How many games do you think Chris Young cost this team but allowing him to play for months with no production?

lindro88
lindro88

Exactly. Why people can't grasp that is beyond me.

1harris1
1harris1

@thecyclone @josef @1harris1  Curtis will probably wish he had been "alienated" by his manager when he winds up hitting under .200 for the season.


It's mind boggling how bad he's been since the all star break. Seems like a decent guy and all, but it's just unacceptable the way he's played. 

josef
josef

@1harris1 @josef A normal manager would put the youngsters now with the extended rosters to see what he has for next year, but our F....ing manager keeps putting him out there as if nothing matters!

tango01
tango01

Maybe as a free agent but I don't think the Yankees have the prospects to trade for Stanton.

Brian McCarthy
Brian McCarthy

Rumor is Boston because of there talented prospects to give up.Yankees have nothing to give up.And said to say but Mets won't spend.

josef
josef

@lindro88 A decent manager helps you win an additional 4 or 5 games a season by his strategic maneuvering of the line ups, making key substitutions, etc., in games you would have lost otherwise,

A great manager can help you win 7 to 9 games that you would not have otherwise.

I can't remember a single game when TC did something that turned a loss to a win!

We are lucky if he doesn't contribute to the losses, which he has actually!

Jack Butler
Jack Butler

with Wright heating up, Granderson should be getting good pitches to hit batting in front of Wright

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@josef @1harris1 For 15 million dollars a year, Granderson is going to start every game that he can. At least until the last year of that deal. I just hope he can make some changes and turn it around next year.

lindro88
lindro88

Granderson is a guaranteed starter next year. So considering we are not playing for anything, a normal manager would not bench him for some marginal 4A player who won't be a starting outfielder next year.

josef
josef

@thecyclone @josef @1harris1 He is a veteran and seems to be a nice guy, so he won;t go crazy being moved, so why keep him to bat 2nd? If TC was a decent manager, which he is not, he would have talked with Grandy a few weeks back and he would have agreed to bat 6th!

Robert Hess
Robert Hess

@hashburry @josef @lindro88 The manager has an effect on EVERY game because he makes up the lineup, determines pitching changes, pinch hitters, etc., etc.  He also sets a tone for the team.  A strong team has a strong manager.  With the Mets it's a case of the tail wagging the dog.  TC:  "Oh David is hurt but wanted to play",  "So and so is tired but didn't want to not play",  Guys stealing on their own - and getting thrown out at third with 2 out.  TC is a weak and indecisive mgr, period.