Game Recap: Mets 4, Marlins 3

Result: The Mets won their second straight against the Marlins, 4-3, to win their three-game series.



Need to Know: Jacob deGrom turned in his second straight solid start Wednesday night, spinning six innings of one-run ball despite throwing 114 pitches. Kirk Nieuwenhuis drew three walks on the game, but his other at-bat ended with a two-run home run that put the Mets ahead in the fourth inning, 2-1. After Christian Yelich tied the game in the seventh, Travis d’Arnaud added an RBI double in the eighth to regain the lead. The Mets struck out 13 times, including 10 against Marlins starter Tom Koehler, but still managed eight hits on the game. Matt den Dekker had three of them, including a double, and scored a run.


Game Ball: deGrom, who left in line for his eighth win of the season before the Mets bullpen lost the lead.


Links: AP recap | Box score


What’s Next: The Mets have Thursday off to travel to Cincinnati for a weekend series that will complete their six-game road trip. Bartolo Colon (12-11, 4.01 ERA) will face off against Alfredo Simon (13-9, 3.28 ERA) for the Reds, as Colon looks to bounce back from a rough start his last time out, when he allowed six runs to the last-place Phillies.




76 comments
shawnp6986
shawnp6986

I think we can mostly agree now that deGrom is the real deal,such a shame he didn't get the win,but overall his era low and among the tops in the majors.

And as far as Kirk,man when he gets a hold of one he gets all of it as Gary said last night.Such an odd but yet majestic HR swing he has,was so awesome had to watch it about 5 times over.He definitely has impressed with his limited play this year,defensively also being solid.

Fred Williams
Fred Williams

Met fans tell me why this would not work for 2015


CF, Lagares  10 hrms 30 doubles 25 steal 60 rbi

LF, Dendecker 10 hr, 30 doubles, 25 steals, 60 rbi

2b, Murphy 5 hrs 40 doubles,10 steals, 85 rbi

3rd, Wright, 20 hr, 30 doubles 15 steals 85 rbi

1b, Duda, 25 hrs, 25 doubles, 5 steals,, 90 rbi

c, Darnaud, 15 hrs, 30 doubles, 10 steals, 75 rbi

rf, Newenhies 15 hrs, 30 doubles, 15 steals 70 rbi

ss, Flores 15 hrs, 25 doubles, 15 steals 60 rbi


Havey, Wheeler, Degrom, Niese, Sydergard, (trade Gee, Colon and Granderson (eat half of his contract) for another 2 young triple a big league ready arms for the bull pen


Bull Pen:...Mejia, Familia, Black, Parnell, Edgin, Torres, TBD TBD

Bench: Cambell, Recker, Tejada, Eric Young


Starting 25 for 2015. I would rather watch this young team on the field knowing there is no one out their in free agency (2015) and the Mets wont spend anyway, and a trade where we will need to give up too much young guns to get anyone of value.  This would be a team built for citi field which is focused on gap hitting and stealing bases. Great outfield defense, a Great starting 5 with young guns in the bull pen. Down side weak defense up the middle with Flores and Murphy as our only area of concern.


this would be a young team fun to watch...looking for your thoughts...

law_dogg
law_dogg

When will deGrom start next, Monday or Tuesday? Would love to see him pitch this season...

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

I wonder if we can trade murphy and granderson to the Yankees and throw in niese or gee for Brett gardner. They need a second baseman and grandy obviously misses that short porch. We give the Yankees three of their needs and we get a true lead off hitter.

metsfan7
metsfan7

hmm...pretty obvious tonight...had Grandy played we would have lost. Thank goodness for Nieuwenhuis

josef
josef

Mets ownership is similar to that of the Knicks, the Cowboys, and Manchester United! They care more about adjunct sources of revenue, TV deals, selling their merchandise, using their venues for non-sport type activities such as concerts, etc., and less about winning.

It has become a business of creating smokes and mirrors, putting a mediocre product out there with some hype, and try to generate more revenue. Winning is just a consequence for them, not a goal!

It is sad, but true!

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

It's gotten to the point where even wins feel like loses.  Something's got to change.  I've been watching the Mets since 1966 and I never remember the vibe being this negative.  Even during their darkest hours, you felt the ownership was trying.  I can't help feeling that the success of this team is very much an afterthought for this ownership.  They want to build their mega-mall and what happens to the Mets is not a priority in the least.  It's getting very depressing. 

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

4 strikeouts in 5 ABs.  There's something very wrong. 

josef
josef

If we had 2 league average guys instead of Wright and Grandy, we may have actually had a shot at the playoffs and would be playing some meaningful games at least at this time in the season!

The 2 of them made post-season out of reach, regardless of what the others did on the team!

gold
gold

Clearly Granderson's better days are behind him. He is hurting the team. If they played just about anyone else in RF this year they would have a few more wins. His defense is very mediocre. Poor arm. If a team is committed to putting the best 9 out there every day, Granderson cannot be one of them.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Sandy for any good moves he has made has also made bad ones...Colin McHugh 126 innings 132 k's ERA 2.99....Grandy .210 BA   16 hrs....Chris Young...sucked all around...and maybe giving Wright the contract he gave him.

semperfi
semperfi

Granderson .086 hitting 2nd, .210 leading off and cleanup but hitting .395/.286 in the 5th and 6th hole, if your going to play him which after what you paid him you have to, bat him where he is most productive not where he hits .086, denDekker hit 1 or 2 in AAA and led the league in hitting, keep him at the top of your lineup and keep Flores in the lineup, at 22 he does not need a day off, play him everyday through year end, Tejada late inning defensive switch, nothing more.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

They should just bench Grandy and start MdD and Kirk everyday. I know that won't happen but they should definitely at least leave MdD in the 2 hole and drop Grandy to like 7th.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

Overall, tonight's game was entertaining with good pitching and enough offense to squeak by for a win. denDekker is a scrappy player who wouldn't be bad next season if he can show better offense. It's up to him to show he adds value to the team like he did tonight.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

I guess expecting Wright and Grandy to hit at least 25 hrs a piece this year was too much too ask.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Grandy is horrible,..hope he finishes with more than a .210 BA... so Aldy payed millions to a guy to hit .210 with 16-17 hrs?...LOL!

John Kranzley
John Kranzley

trivia quesiton - who leads the mets in OPS this year at .867?

law_dogg
law_dogg

That's not a terrible idea but the Yankees would never do it

Doubleday
Doubleday

@josef Tht's the first time I have ever heard Jeff Wilpon compared to Jerry Jones.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Macacawitz

Something's got to change.

Everybody keeps saying it's the manager which of course is just an excuse for ownership.  It's as simple as we just need better hitters.  That means ownership has to spend money on the better players.   

Not Curtis Granderson or Chris Young,  who can't even bat .250.   I expect a run at Nelson Cruz if we want a legitimate HR guy.

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@Macacawitz Well, unfortunately, this is effect of Social Media. It's much easier to access the players, the administration and the clubhouse  and quickly. I think people have too many ways to voice their opinion, and I think the collective voice of the fans can be heard much louder and much clearer than any other time in the past. Some shakeups need to happen this offseason, that's for sure.

Jason Krull
Jason Krull

What did he mean when he said he felt dangerous at the plate?

josef
josef

@Macacawitz And he left 7 guys on! At least in previous years, he would have brought a couple of them home

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@Macacawitz Yeah, for as bad as Wright has been, never in his career has he struck out 4 times in a game. There is something wrong. I just hope he can turn it around next year.

nncyel
nncyel

@josef Wrong. David Wright is 8th among NL for WAR. So he's right around the league average. The 22nd outfielder for WAR in the NL is at about 2.5. Granderson is at 0.7. Replacing him would have gained the Mets 1.8 wins. About 2 more wins would not see the Mets contending for the playoffs.

1harris1
1harris1

@gold  He is when he's making 16 mil a year.  Barring an unforeseen injury, there's a 100 percent chance he will be a starting outfielder for the team next season.

1harris1
1harris1

@Albert E Lewis  I had no idea that McHugh had those numbers.  After watching how bad he was as a Met, that's hard to believe.  Man, offense around baseball is really down this season.

josef
josef

@Albert E Lewis David Wright played great tonight! He broke the 2-game error streak,  only Ked 4 out of possible 5 times, and he only left 7 guys on base!

He is the undisputed leader of the Mets and worth every penny!!

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

And don't hit Flores 8th either. I'd hit him 6th but I'd settle for 7th.

Lagares

MdD

Wright

Duda

d'Arnaud

Grandy

Flores

Herrera

Pitcher

borsh1313
borsh1313

I understand the logic in that but grandy like it or not is our future and I don't want to see him going into next year in such a funk... Hopefully he can put together a few good at bats and go into next season with something positive

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

Yes but they don't even have 25 combined yet which is embarrassingly bad

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

@Albert E Lewis  . . He may turn it around next season like Byrd did coming off a bad season. He has history with the bat and he can rebound. Lets see what moves Sandy makes over the winter and see if it matters or not for next season.

nncyel
nncyel

@John Kranzley What's the fixation with Nieuwenhuis? Every other post of yours is about Kirk. Here's the deal. He was given a chance last year and stunk. That forced SA to go out and sign Granderson and Young. I think you could've polled a 1000 Mets fans and 999 would not have wanted to begin the season with Kirk as one of the starting outfielders. Only you would've been in favor of that. He's been better this year. He's won a bench job and pinch-hitting role, but because of how bad he was last year he now has a 60-million dollar man in front of him and that's not going to change. No one to blame but himself. 

josef
josef

@Doubleday @josef Sadly, Jerry Jones is better owner than Wilpons. He wants to win, but his ego gets the better of him, and then he needs to settle for less and find solace in having the most valued sports team in the US, etc. He is his own worst enemy, and pride and ego mean more to him than winning.

As for Wilpons, they just suck as owners, period!

NewBreeder
NewBreeder

@Dana Smith @Macacawitz  Well, Mets ownership/admin are stone cold deaf.  They hear and see nothing. My only hope is when 2015 rolls around the glare of the sun off the empty Citi seats blinds their eyes. Maybe then they will bring payroll to a level befitting a New York City professional ball club.

josef
josef

@Jason Krull Means he has become dangerous to the Mets well-being, since he sucks at most of his at bats!

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@josef @Macacawitz SF or RBI groundout. But he's hit into a tremendous amount of double plays. Walk rate is down, HR rate is down, XBH rate down, Strikeout rate up. Career lows in tons of categories for a full season. It's concerning, that's for sure.

NewBreeder
NewBreeder

@Dana Smith @Macacawitz  Guy has a lot of pressure on him. Big contract, captaincy of the team and no supporting cast. With that $$$ he should suck it up and perform.  Duda's been really good but he's no Beltran or Delgado, who protected David in his best years. But, he'll be ok next year when we bring back Reyes and sign Cruz. ( a guy can dream...)

josef
josef

@nncyel Not everything in baseball is stats! There are many things that computers and statistics can't measure, many intangibles like leadership, making those around you better players, getting a key hit late in a crucial game when the whole series could be turned, etc.

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@Brian Webster You know what sucks, the only thing that EY is NOT good at, is hitting. He can steal, he walks at a good rate, he has a decent eye at the plate. He plays good defense in the OF and he scores runs. If he could hit, he would be awesome. Unfortunately...in baseball, hitting is like...pretty important...

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

Grandy is their future (and present) albatross. That about it. How he plays the last month of the season will have no impact on next season. Just like the 1 good month worth of baseball he played in the middle of the season had no impact on how awful he was before and after.

metsfan7
metsfan7

Wow..are you flipped out! to suggest that Nieuwenhuis is to blame for causing SA to go out and sign Young and Granderson...is simply crazy. So....how long are you visiting our planet? Such bizarre distortional thinking.

John Kranzley
John Kranzley

So that's it? He can do absolutely nothing to earn a starting job back?

Guy has the best ops on the team. 450 CAREER at bats.

Incredibly naive to say he has been given enough chances. 450 at bats?????

borsh1313
borsh1313

I don't trust anybody that spells kirks name correctly

nncyel
nncyel

@Brian Webster Grandy had 7 very, very solid seasons before he came to the Mets. Did sitting out a year with injuries start his career on a downward spiral? Kind of looks that way now. But I have a suspicion he will bounce back next year. Or it could just be the curse of the Mets. A lot of players with very solid careers have come to the Mets and their careers have died. Let's hope that Granderson isn't the latest. He'll get next year to prove otherwise.

1harris1
1harris1

@John Kranzley  I don't think he's an every day player in the major leagues, but he's a useful backup.  He got a bit of a raw deal when they sent him down shortly after the all star break after he had been starting for a few games and playing well.  Their record is something like 14-2 when he starts which is certainly interesting.

nncyel
nncyel

@John Kranzley Do you think they are going to bench Granderson? Could they move Granderson to left and play Kirk in right. Ok. Has he earned it? Yes, he has a great OPS. But he has a WAR of 1.1. You know who else on this team has a WAR of 1.1? Ruben Tejada, who the vast, vast majority of Mets fans don't even want to have on the team next year. Is Kirk better than Granderson right now? Yes. But Granderson has a lifetime WAR over 11 seasons of 35.8. That's an average of over 3. Which is good. Mets are hoping that Granderson can recapture some of that magic. Kirk doesn't have the resume to fall back on and hasn't pulled a Lagares. Lagares seized his opportunity and has the best WAR on the team. Kirk hasn't. 

nncyel
nncyel

@borsh1313 I confess. I cut and pasted it. Whenever I try to spell it I get it wrong. 

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@josef @Dana Smith @Macacawitz I dont think it's decline. Not that fast. Not for a player with his ethic. I think it's something else. What it is, i don't know. Injury or he's pressing, or both.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

Well he'll get the next 3yrs to prove otherwise as at that price and production level he isn't going anywhere. Maybe there's a chance they'd cut him in his last season. But if he keeps his HRs in the mid to high teens even that might be doubtful

borsh1313
borsh1313

See I knew I couldn't trust u... Just write Kirk as I do lol

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@Dana Smith @josef @Macacawitz It's not a matter of ethic.  Some of us get older faster than others.  Injuries can exact a toll.  Don Mattingly retired at 34 when chronic back problems reduced him to a shell of himself.  Hopefully wear and tear is not taking its toll on Wright. 

josef
josef

@Dana Smith @josef @Macacawitz He looks lost at the plate! He is farther back from the plate than ever before, he uses his top hand a lot more, he is leaning too much over the plate from being too far out, and instead of having a game plan at every at bat, he is just hoping and swinging based on wild guesses. He takes when he needs to swing (at breaking balls right in the middle of the plate), and then swings when he should take (at outside balls from an awkward angle).

And sometimes, too often lately, he gives up during at bats when he has 2 strikes against him, especially when the count is 0 and 2. It is as if he has considered that at bat a lost cause and just swings for a 3rd time and Ks, so he can move on!

borsh1313
borsh1313

And I honestly had no idea if it was actually spelled correctly I just assumed if someone was gonna write it they must fact check