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Game recap: Dodgers 6 — Mets 2

Result: The Mets dropped their series opener against the Dodgers on Friday night, 6-2, at Dodger Stadium.



Links: AP recap | Box score


What’s Next: The Mets will look to bounce back in the second game of the series behind Jacob deGrom (6-5, 2.87 ERA), who is set to be activated from the disabled list after missing two starts with rotator cuff tendinitis. He will face off against Zack Greinke (12-8, 2.75 ERA) on Saturday night at 9:05 p.m.




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Josh PlaysBass Agudo
Josh PlaysBass Agudo

I always said it since day one!!!!! Flores is a bum!!!!! He has no range no control no power!!! I'd rather see Tejada play!!

pologround
pologround

Flores is the new Ike.....He is all hype........He has adjusted his swing and even is getting rid of the ball faster.....He needs to bulk up and become a 1b for another team..............Hopefully we can get something in return for him.

gregf
gregf

Staying away from Wilmer's horrible night at SS, did anyone watch/listen to the game via the Dodgers feed? I had to, given that I live in FL and watch Mets via Comcast and MLB Extra Innings.


Last year I mentioned that Scully, while he still has a great voice, is really missing it with botched facts and figures ... last night, at least 6 times before somebody whispered in his ear, he called Curtis Granderson Curtis GUNDERSON ... not once, over and over as if he were some unknown rookie ... then after correcting himself, another time an inning later or so he called him GRUNDERSON ... 


Also, he made a point of discussing the small 'd' story related to d'Arnaud, den Dekker, and de Grom, and got it backasswards ... didn't describe the fact that the first use of the letter was an upside-down 'P' ... came up with some other cockamamie story and in general got it all screwed up ... unfortunately, I think he's overstayed his storied career ... sad ... 

shoes
shoes

Put deGrom out at short on the days he doesn't pitch. Came up as a SS. Better fielder. And has better BA than either Tejada or Flores.

gregf
gregf

Staying away from Wilmer's horrible night at SS, did anyone watch/listen to the game via the Dodgers feed? I had to, given that I live in FL and watch Mets via Comcast and MLB Extra Innings.


Last year I mentioned that Scully, while he still has a great voice, is really missing it with botched facts and figures ... last night, at least 6 times before somebody whispered in his ear, he called Curtis Granderson Curtis GUNDERSON ... not once, over and over as if he were some unknown rookie ... then after correcting himself, another time an inning later or so he called him GRUNDERSON ... 


Also, he made a point of discussing the small 'd' story related to d'Arnaud, den Dekker, and de Grom, and got it backasswards ... didn't describe the fact that the first use of the letter was an upside-down 'P' ... came up with some other cockamamie story and in general got it all screwed up ... unfortunately, I think he's overstayed his storied career ... sad ... 

cyjabeli
cyjabeli

There are less and less people writing on this mets blog....We are all too excused from watching......

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

Game turned when Niese had a prime chance to get out of the inning after one out and a man on third by just getting the pitcher out & instead went to 3-2 and gave up the go ahead run. Half a clap for not totally collapsing after Flores' first flub and Flores sealed the deal (and then the IF minus Murphy got the yips) later. But, that was a sign for me. You can't do that against elite teams and expect to win. See also the Jets giving up that TD at the end of the half vs. the Giants.


Niese is what he is & is cheap, but times like that make him aggravating.

Bob Giacalone
Bob Giacalone

I read all these comments about Flores.  I want to laugh. Read the damn box score. It's easy to pin this loss on a 22 year old...and while he sucks, where were the rest of the winners on the team?  Did Flores let up all the runs?  Without his error, they still lose 3-2. This team is awful. I DON'T think Flores is a good SS. I just think that focusing on him  ignores the fact that many of the rest are awful as well. At least we're not paying Flores 15 mil a year like Granderson..or more than that for Wright who can no longer hit a HR. Remember folks, it's a TEAM sport. The team is no better than AAA level

metfaninva
metfaninva

Flores is out of position.  It is wishful thinking on a organization standpoint to try and make him a shortstop. Why don't we move Lagares back to SS?? Same thought process--plain stupid.  This said Flores does deserve a look--he is a 3rd baseman, 1st baseman or a DH. Maybe he is an adequate 2b but I don't think so. Move him to 2nd base now.  Play Tejada till September then call up Reynolds for SS.  Remember what the Mets need are gamers with excellent defensive skills up the middle.  Reynolds/Tovar/Herrera/Muno/Flores???/Mazzilli and others may be the affordable answer for SS/2nd base.  Murphy is not the answer defensively.  In two years I think it will be Tovar at SS and Herrera at 2nd base with Reynolds as super sub.  We have too many guys comfortable with losing on the major league level.  Our minor leagues are winning now and that culture/attitude has to be brought to the major league level.  This demands a change in manager. 

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

Flores is proving that he is not a starting SS, for that matter he is not a good back-up either. He looks lethargic and reacts too slowly to the ball coming his way. Supposedly, he played a lot of SS in the minors, it doesn't show on the ML level. I hope Sandy acquires a SS upgrade over the winter. 

playjuan
playjuan

Still want to see Flores out there instead of Tejada? Effing morons!

Scrubs
Scrubs

From what I've seen in this small sample so far, I can't believe Flores' natural position is SS.  Again, it's a small sample but at this point, I've seen enough and want to see if he's any better at second. Rumor has it he can hit. Sadly, I've haven't seen much of that.  I'm afraid he's another member of the AAAA league.  If such a league existed, Mets would be formidable.

javy180
javy180

Both Flores & Murphy are terrible. Murphy is so slow And Has 0 range. Next year we need to be strong up the middle so the Mets need to trade Murphy and get a ss with some range.

nhmetsfan
nhmetsfan

Flores 1HR 14RBI .255 OBP in 147 AB

Tejada 2 HR 23RBI .346 OBP in 310 AB


I think Ive seen enough of Flores as a SS

Joe Decesare
Joe Decesare

You will never win with weak defense up the middle. I only wish we had Reyes and Dilson Herrera to look forward to....at least we still have Herrera.

matmil
matmil

Baseball is a funny game. Before the all star break this team seemed to have a few bright spots, now 5 weeks later the wheels have come off. The offense looks hopeless the bullpen giving away games the defense is horrible. Hard to put your finger on what happened here. Plenty of blame to go around,the manager,the captain and and the front office. But of course it is the players themselves who have disappointed the most. Need a little time to digest just how bad the situation is. As of right now only a complete overhaul looks like the thing to do.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

How about Blue jays AAA pitcher Lefty Danny Norris? 32 k's in 16 innings there as a starter...2011 draft we could have had him but we picked injury prone Cory Mazzoni instead....I honestly remember hoping the Mets would take Norris.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Wow the Marlins are over .500...without Fernandez and us?...we cant even reach .500...SAD.

gregf
gregf

Why is this pending?

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@Bob Giacalone So, w/o him, the team -- vs. the best team in the NL -- will have lost by one run, a run that in various ways could have been gotten. Huh.


The loss was a group effort. But, Flores was in the middle of it.

shoes
shoes

@metfaninva  Flores has been playing SS, 2nd and 3rd since he was signed at 16. He IS in position. He just stinks at it. Stop making excuses. He. Is. Not. The. Future.

tango01
tango01

Over Tejada? Yes! You already know what you have in Tejada. He is a .220 Punch and Judy hitter. I'm not saying Flores is our future SS but it's unfair to call a rookie a bust after 1 month. Tejada had 3 years, look at TDA, how long did it take him to get going? My point is I rather have what Flores can give you than what Tejada gives you.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@javy180 Murphy has shown himself to be an okay 2B who is a leading hitter -- in the NL especially, a mediocre defender who hits is perfectly appropriate. Flores isn't (yet) as good of a SS as Murphy. He is not "okay." But, yeah, you can't have two weak defenders. Need a good defensive SS.

saxon
saxon

@nhmetsfan 

Some seem to think that less than 3 weeks as a starter is a fair shake for a 22/23 year old rookie...Hard to figure that thought out...

1harris1
1harris1

@nhmetsfan  I'd still continue with Wilmer, even though I suspect he'll never be a legitimate major league SS.  He's hit on every level of the minor leagues.  I want to see if he can figure something out up here over the next five weeks.  We already know what Tejada is.  Flores has been awful offensively thus far, though.



saxon
saxon

@Joe Decesare 

And you will never win enough scoring 1-2 runs per game...Flores will come around with his bat...

matmil
matmil

@Joe Decesare Letting Reyes go has to be ranked up there with the Seaver trade and the Ryan debacle as one of the worst moments in Mets history. Something that  may take a generation to recover from.

shawnp6986
shawnp6986

Its the infamous after ASB Mets collapse.Its completely sad and getting old that it has become so predictable, and not to just us Met fans,but the entire MLB and sports world for that matter.This is what we are known for now,its our identity.

Yet,season after season after season there is no accountability, it is that losing culture that has to change.This cannot go on forever..

LGdeGrom,tonight!

saxon
saxon

@Albert E Lewis 

Mazzoni will be a good major league pitcher soon...He's still a step behind...

gregf
gregf

@Joe Paulson Murph really looked weak on a couple of balls hit to/by him and I'm not sure anyone is reporting that ... he has regressed in the last month, but perhaps, as has been said by Collins, he's tired ... me too ... 

nhmetsfan
nhmetsfan

@tango01 

lets see

Tejada lifetime .253 hitter, average defensively, better than average this year


Flores, lousy defensive SS, lifetime .219 hitter with 2HR in 242 AB, absolutely no speed



shinjoooo
shinjoooo

@saxon @nhmetsfan Some seem to think that Flores could be a serviceable SS on the major league level.  That's even harder to figure out.

1harris1
1harris1

@matmil @Joe Decesare  I don't know that I'd go that far, but letting Reyes leave for nothing was a terrible move by this front office. 

matt greco
matt greco

@nhmetsfan yes, flores and his grand total of 254 major league plate appearances are enough of a sample size to talk about him as if he will always be a lifetime .219 hitter.


good god, the level of stupid on this blog...

tango01
tango01

You're kidding me sitting there defending Tejada. Ok let's break this great .252 hitting Tejada down. Over 1500 at bats, 4 hr's, ,1 triple, 74 doubles, 109 rbi's, 14 stolen bases, 9 caught stealing. Man that speed Tejada has reminds me of Reyes. Now what I'm about to say is Flores' last 2 yrs in the minors so take it with a grain of salt and it's less than half of Tejada's 1500 at bats.

Flores 706 at bats, 47 doubles, 28 hr's, 143 rbi's . Now know those are minor league stats but you can see the potential. Flores is still a rookie and should get the benefit of the doubt with steady at bats for more than a month before people label him a bust. Everyone was labeling TDA a bust back in June before he turned his season around. Tejada is a backup period.

nhmetsfan
nhmetsfan

@tango01 

There  is nothing great about Tejada , but Flores has played poorly and stinks defensively.


The argument to give him more time in the majors should then apply to  Brown, Newenhuis, and Satin as well. All three have hit just as well in minors and better in the majors and N and S can play good defense. I just don't see the idea that Flores is a high level prospect at this time.

1harris1
1harris1

@matmil @1harris1 @Joe Decesare  He's still an excellent player, and I'll bet he would also love to come back to the Mets.  I just don't know that the loss of him is on the level with the other guys you mentioned (certainly not Seaver).


My issue with Reyes is not so much that he left; but that he left for nothing.  Either spend the money to keep him, or trade him for a premium level prospect.  You can't just let him walk.

Scrubs
Scrubs

@1harris1 @matmil @Joe Decesare If you can believe press reports, the Mets let Reyes walk because of his injury history, age and the $$ he wanted.  If so, then why the hell are the Mets so hot for Tulowitski?  For the life of me, I'll never figure this team out.