Email Q&A: Why is Ike Davis being run out of town?

Mail IconMichael, a reader of MetsBlog.com

Why is the front office and the fan base trying to run Ike Davis out of town? He is still pretty young and has a lot of power potential, and could be their best option at first base right now.  It might be good for his confidence to tell him first base is his job to lose in Spring Training.

Michael Baron, Contributor

I don’t think it’s a matter of anyone wanting to run Davis out of town, Michael. In fact, some fans — including myself — believe Davis is a better option than Lucas Duda and/or Josh Satin right now.

Ike Davis 1 (Baron)The fact of the matter is the Mets a perceived surplus at first base, and it’s inefficient to have four (or arguably five) first basemen on the active roster. They’ve determined trading Davis offers the most salary relief and the best chance for a maximum return, which is why his name has been mentioned most in trade rumors. Clearly, the market hasn’t evolved the way they envisioned it would for Davis, which is why he is still on the team.

Still, Davis has yet to prove he can be a solid, everyday major league player. The defining moment in Davis’ career came when he injured his ankle in May, 2011. There was so much promise before the injury, but he has not been able to provide any consistency in the two full seasons since. It pains me to say that, because I think Ike is a great clubhouse presence, has been honest about his problems and handles the media very well. But he was a minor leaguer during the 2013 season and probably should have been a minor leaguer at some point during the 2012 season, too, and those are pretty loud alarms about any player.

That doesn’t take away from Ike’s potential, which I believe — with better lineup protection — he could find more success, provided he learns to hit breaking balls more consistently. At some point, that potential needs to translate into production and the organization cannot keep waiting for the light to go and stay with Ike.




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Ron Davis
Ron Davis

Unlless they get bowled over soon i say proclaim him in the running for first base and let him try to get first base back from Duda.  in Spring Training. 

barcamets
barcamets

Lol, it's funny how everyone here's saying he can't hit yet expect him to be traded with a great return. The whole thing is contradicting. Keep Ike, he has the potential. He will find his swing. Keep duda at the bench. Power is pricey now a days. He's worth the risk.

mique1313
mique1313

I think the Mets coaches or even himself needs to stop tinkering with his swing.  I think what HoJo said not too long ago about the changes he saw in Ike's swing are very true.  Ike's needs to go back to the stance he had when he hit over 30 homeruns and just stick with that. 

MetFanSince68
MetFanSince68

Ike's job has been to lose since 2011. So far he has been doing a good job at it. I would not like to see him traded since he is still young and the Mets control him. Unfortunately, he is not giving the Mets any choice. Not only has he not hit, he also has been terrible with the glove this year. He is a total wreck right now and teams just want to steal him for nothing in the hope that  new scenery will straighten him out. 

Olerud42
Olerud42

Because he's terrible at baseball

Harry Eisenberg
Harry Eisenberg

Since Ike makes his home in the West, I believe he would be happier with a West Coast team and not having to play in the East.

Richard J Brienza
Richard J Brienza

We're tired of him and his "Valley Fever" and the fact he cant hit the broad side of a barn

Sharklady
Sharklady

How many more seasons of waiting for him to come to life?  Enough is enough.  Trade him before we have to pay him the big bucks he's going to want to get.

flushed
flushed

Doesn't anyone remember when he came on to the scene and we were all giddy about him, there were reports from scouts saying he would be Adam LaRoche at the absolute best and that his batting mechanics would be exploited by ML pitching in time? They said 20 home runs 260 avg was his ceiling and we had visions of rising apples and railing catches to the tune of 30+ homers and gold gloves...it's a sham. He is total garbage. I can't reading people's comments slamming Duda and continuing to defend Davis on the basis of some fairy tale or ridiculous small sample sizes of lame duck performances. Nobody talks about K totals of pitchers with 6.00+ ERA's, so why do people keep bringing up his home run totals when they were garnered during completely unacceptable season long performances...I can't stress unacceptable enough, to put it in perspective; Omar Q's presence on our roster last season was acceptable. Davis isn't good, he's not good here, he won't be good anywhere, ever. I've never heard a single player defended and praised and propped up more than this dud and I'm so sick of it...and then you have this ridiculous email asking why he's being "run out of town"?!!!! It's beyond absurd.

robo
robo

christ we cant have a1B hitting 200 and striking out 80% of the time and sucks against lefty pitching give duda a chance to be a everyday player at 1B if he fails we can grab a free agent 1B in 2015 we are not going anywhere this year so take a shot we got nothing to lose face it ike is another omar draft pick bust

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

I been saying that about Ike needing better players in front and back of him. I think if we trade him for nothing we better have some better option then Lucas Duda or Satin. Satin is a fine guy off the bench but he is mainly a bench guy.

thomas
thomas

His swing has huge holes and he bails out constantly with his hip.  He actually needs to radically alter his stance to have any shot at achieving consistent major league performance.  And word is he is, or at least has been, too stubborn to do that.

losmets86
losmets86

Other 1Bs had more productive seasons and they were traded, e.g. Morrison, Fielder, Morneau,! Also, the standard at 1B is power production, e.g. Adrian Gonzalez, Freeman, Tex and Howard when healthy, Laroche, Votto, Napoli, Fielder! My point is clear, Ike is not producing! Period! 1B is a power position, Ike had his chance, no more baby steps, kid gloves or potential, we need an everyday 1B who gives us .280, 25, 90 consistentcy.

David Jay
David Jay

We're running him out of town because he stinks?

cliffy44
cliffy44

Josh Satin is way better at both offense and defense, than Davis.  Make Satin the everyday first baseman and put Davis in 1 or 2 times a week.
It'd sure be nice to be a contending team, in 2014; and that's the first step in getting there.

MERRY CHRISTMAS.

lahenry57
lahenry57

Ike has been given 2 years to claim the job. He failed. Time to move on. A Flores/Satin platoon at first should be considered. Look at Tampa Bay, that team gets the best out of every player. The Mets need to do the same.

supert
supert

Why is Ike Davis being run out of town?  Have you watched many Met games the last two years?

B Gon
B Gon

I've been an avid reader of Metsblog before SNY discovered it. This is nonsense, the Mets are looking for ways to find SALARY RELIEF. This is New York. We have one of, if not the largest market in the world.  Last I have heard the two teams in Los Angeles are doing quite well financially.  Time to wake up people, I'm tired of being spoon fed the same old fake news.  

Mike Boylan
Mike Boylan

I don't see him as the best option. I see him as a guy who blew his chance(s). Time to move on. I think Duda deserves a chance, maybe 200 AB's at the position, and if he doesn't deliver, either Flores or Satin, or Murphy, with Flores taking over at 2nd. I'd rather have Flores and E Young in the lineup than Ike.

maxster
maxster

Micheal Barron,

Why do you keep talking about the 3 Amigo's at ist base. The solution is plain to see, WILMER FLORES AT 1st base. The guy can rake pure and simple. Put him there everyday and just watch the numbers he puts up. Look, he has been an infielder his whole career so it should be an easy transition. He has a good glove but limited range, so he has 1st base written all over him. You think any of those 3 will outhit him consistently? Come on Micheal, he is by far the best and cheapest option. Get rid of those other guys and put the money towards Drew SS. You just plugged two holes. Come on Michael pump up the right guy!! Just waive Ike, save his money{like Pirates Waived Garret Jones}.

MetsOregon
MetsOregon

Somewhere, this is happening:


Sandy Alderson picks up his office phone and dials another Major-League GM.


Ring, Ring, Ring


Other GM: Hello?


Sandy: Hello _______, this is Sandy Alderson, I called to talk about Ike Davis.


OGM: Good seeing you at the winter meetings Sandy. Like I said, we can't go higher than a bag of baseballs for Davis. But we'll make it a big bag.


Sandy: I don't know about that. What kind of baseballs are we talking about?


OGM: Gently used! I mean, these'll be great for batting practice during spring training!


Sandy: But come on, ___________. Davis seemed to really improve last year after his stint in Vegas.


OGM: That's why I'm offering the large bag.


Sandy: Okay, can we at least make them NEW baseballs?


click

openmind6
openmind6

Gotta love a power walking platoon man at first that hit .160 the first half of the year. What's not to love??

Jason Luft
Jason Luft

Not saying Ike isn't our best option, but line up protection? You've got to be kidding. Time to give up on that myth, people.

hankypanky
hankypanky

Not to worry. Have we forgotten that Wonderful Wally "fixed" Davis?

Derpy
Derpy

Ike Davis was one of the top three worst baseball players in the entirety of major league baseball for huge swaths of last season.  And huge swaths of the prior season as well.  How do people defend this guy?  When you can call yourself one of the top 3 worst players in the league for a long stretch of time, on more than one occasion, it means you're probably not very good.  


But ohhhh, he hit homeruns.  Ohhh,  ahhhhh,  big whoop.  He wont continue to hit homers unless he figures out how to hit, period.  Because pitchers have figured out how to take advantage of his godawful approach and godawful swing.  Now he has to adapt or retire.  And he has not shown any ability to adapt, at all.  But oh, he played slightly better when he came back from AAA.  Again, big whoop.  The reason he was better is because he stopped swinging.  Instead of holding off on bad pitches and swinging at hittable ones, he just didn't swing and took walks.  Guess what?  Pitchers are going to adapt and throw those pitches over the plate, the same ones he has never shown any ability to hit, ever.  And then he is going to turn into the strike out king, yet again.  And then what?


Ike is bad.  Really bad.  He needs to make huge adjustments.  He has never shown the ability to adjust.  There is no reason to believe he can adjust.  There is very little reason to believe he will continue to hit for power without adjusting.  Someone else can try to 'fix' him.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

If it's Baron that thinks we should go with Ike the we gotta go with Duda.

dexx
dexx

"Why is Ike Davis even being considered as a possibility at 1B?"  is what the caption should read

Sidd
Sidd

Ike isnt being run out of town.  The Mets have a surplus of first basemen and Ike has the greatest potential to yield the Mets both salary relief and productive players in return.  It is that simple.  Conversely, Ike probably has a lot to gain from a change of scenery.  NY fans/press have ridden him hard.

crash
crash

I think it's simply a case of 'One bitten, twice shy.' And three times are the charm. Nobody in MetsNation wants to see another three months at .160. It's really as simple as that. Those numbers aren't just bad, they're Kafkaesque.

gbaked
gbaked

Good clubhouse presence? 


Are you basing that off the constant complaining? The fact that people have been saying he has an attitude since his Brooklyn days? Or maybe the fact that he has hardly been in the clubhouse the past couple seasons?


I have heard lots of arguments for both sides of Ike Davis. Being a good clubhouse presence was never one of them... or is this just Baron making stuff up?

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

@barcametsi agree the Mets are shooting them in the foot they ask for the top prospects but then they tell others that he is not hitting. Hello something is not kosher there.  typical Mets way of telling you we like to rip you off if thats ok with you. lol 

nymetsrule
nymetsrule

@barcametsIke is 27 years old at the start of the season. He isn't some young kid who has just started struggling. He is beyond the "potential" phase and is now in the "does not perform" phase. He has no talent left. Get rid of him.

openmind6
openmind6

@Barcamets, No one expects him to be traded with a high return. In fact no one who is paying :attention expects him to be traded at all.

dexx
dexx

@bockers And because he cant hit a curveball, left handed pitching, anything on the outside part of the plate, or at Citi Field.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

@flushed Flushed is a pretty cool screen name.


I'm not as pessimistic as you are about him, but I feel this day in age of 1st basemen, let's say they let him go and he's awesome.  Just frigg'n awesome.....So we can't replace him with someone who's pretty okay somehow? I mean we're not looking to replace Davis because he's mediocre. We're considering trading him because he's really struggled and the concern is he's going to again, while an unknown like Flores or ahem Duda....might not get a worthy look due to a phobia that Ike will blossom someplace else.

dexx
dexx

@Ron Davis Ron, he can't hit LH pitching at all.  He also can't hit at home.  The players in front or behind him have nothing to do with either one of those things.  Just wish him well in Mil or Pit, and hope he works hard to make adjustments and get his career back on track.

dexx
dexx

@thomas He lunges.  His hips fly open.  His stance is terrible.  His approach is terrible.  His timing is way off.  He has an awful hitch.  His swing is too long, and his pitch recognition & plate discipline is non existent.  If he fixes all of those things, then he might be a league average player someday.

dexx
dexx

@bcleveland That makes sense. If we're gonna suck at Ss, we might as well suck at 1B.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@B Gon That may very well be true....but what does that have to do with having two identical 1b, each making around $4M with each having a different type of upside?

gloveman
gloveman

@maxster I am guessing that Mets management is hoping that Flores wins the job in spring training.  Of course they have to find him time at first base and decide not to showcase him at 2nd base for a trade. You are right though, he has 1st. base written all over him with the big bat, soft hands and limited range.

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

@nymetsrule@barcametsHe is not old either this is the begining of what they call a players prime. so lets not say he is 35 how you are saying he is not young no he is far from old as well. 

Bobby Owens
Bobby Owens

@dexx @bockers I don't hate Ike, and I would love to see him be successful on the Mets, but the repercussions of another bad year are more than I think any of us Mets fans can stomach. I have an Ike jersey, so I'd definitely like to see some success so I can wear it again.. haha 

dexx
dexx

@Bobby Owens@dexx@bockers I want Ike to be successful too, but its not gonna be with the Mets.  We need to move for anything we can get in return, and hopefully we can sign Stephen Drew after we get Ike 4mil off the books.  He just can't hit at Citi Field, and he can't hit LH pitching, so he's useless to us for 81 games + whenever a LH starts on the road.  Maybe he can get his career turned around in Pit or Mil.  Good Luck Ike