Zack Wheeler’s got the stuff, says David Wright

Zack Wheeler tossed an impressive, 111-pitch, three-hit shutout Thursday as the Mets beat the Marlins.

He is youngest Mets player to throw a 1-0 shutout since Dwight Gooden in 1985, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

“He showed you tonight exactly what we’ve been talking about all along,” Terry Collins said of Wheeler after the game.


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Collins had Jeurys Familia and Josh Edgin warming up in the bullpen, but eventually chose to leave Wheeler in the game.

“It was his night,” Collins said. “That’s why I said, ‘I’m going to run him back out there. I don’t care what his pitch count is, he’s earned it.’ He was outstanding.”

Wheeler said he was inspired watching Clayton Kershaw’s no-hitter the night before, further fueled by Collins telling him how Kershaw asked permission to watch Wheeler’s bullpen session when the team was in Los Angeles (NY Times, June 20).

“I know I can do it every time out. I know I have the stuff,” said Wheeler, who faced one more than the minimum 27 batters in the game. “I made a few mistakes, but sometimes they cost you, sometimes they don’t. Today they didn’t.”


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In 14 starts this season, he is 2-7 with a 4.38 ERA and 79 strike outs through 78 innings pitched.

He has a 3.84 ERA spanning 31 career starts.

“He’s got the stuff,” David Wright said after the game. “With him, it’s just a matter of pounding the strike zone, throwing all of his pitches for strikes, not falling behind and just having to throw fastballs. Because I don’t care how hard you throw in this league, it’s going to get hit if they know it’s coming, if they know you can’t throw other pitches for strikes.”




122 comments
A Pocono View_
A Pocono View_

It was an awesome performance by Zach, lets hope it carry's over to net x game

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Even with Wheelers  great performance last nite..Sandy still has to improve this offense.

1craigswan
1craigswan

He's got the talent. His personality will fit well as the number 2 guy behind Harvey in 2015.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

As Jim Bouton famously wrote in 'Ball Four,' that guy has the balls of a burglar. I don't think my heart could have endured a Familia appearance in a 1-0 game--especially with any base-runners. The guy has filthy stuff but his stock-in-trade has been the ill-timed wild pitch. Just wish we could trust Sandy to land some quality bat, ANY quality bat, before all the young talent gets demoralized. It's hard enough to get any free agents to Citifield as it is.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Always said he has the stuff.. just a matter of command .

JoMama
JoMama

I love that he was throwing 0-2, 1-2 breaking balls. Shows some guts. And for Christ's sake - BEAN SOMEONE! Do it for DW.

hankincolo
hankincolo

In the mid-80s, Davey Johnson used to leave his young pitchers in during a tough spot. It gave them the chance to learn how to escape a jam and handle the pressure. Terry did fine allowing Zack to learn through a teachable moment.

rico
rico

Last night reminded me of the Nolan Ryan 1 hitter vs the Phillies in spring of 1970, the 2nd game I ever attended. Freaking Denny Doyle! 


Here is a link to the history of Mets 1 hitters. Some surprising names and memories there. 

RA Dickey through 3 of em. Jae Wong Seo, Trasch, Heilman (what ever happened to him?) 


http://mets.nonohitters.com/onehitters/

drmetfan
drmetfan

He was great last night no question about it. But the question with him is, can he be consistent and deliver a similar outing every time out? Not sure of that just yet.

If I'm the Mets I listen to offers for Wheeler if other teams come calling. 

DON'T BE SLOPPY
DON'T BE SLOPPY

He pitched a Gem yet his team could only get him 1 run. Sandy if your reading this F.Y.I. you might want to make a deal to bring a bat to this team sooner then later.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

Of the three young kids whom Sandy's rested this franchise's future on (Wheeler, d'Arnaud, & Syndergaard), I think Wheeler is the one I'm least worried about right now. I know he's been very up & down, but that's pretty normal for a young starter. Very few guys come up and and have Harvey's experience. But if Zack can just work on his command and lower his walks, as he did last night, he's clearly going to be a good one. 35 BBs in 87 innings is not a great stat though.

DON'T BE SLOPPY
DON'T BE SLOPPY

What I see from Zack is a guy trying to show everyone he belongs. His only problem is being able to go out there and repeat it every 5 days.

alphaomega
alphaomega

Fix wheelers stats he is now 3-7 with a 3.93 era and 87 innings 87 strikeouts he lowered his era by almost a half run after last nights game and didn't walk a 4 batters that key to his success less walks less men on base less runs scored lower pitch count more innings pitched back to basics but it's only his first full season

Bob Burket
Bob Burket

The only thing David Wright knows about pitching is  that its hard to hit.

hankypanky
hankypanky

This was the first time in a long time that a Mets pitcher didn't hit an opposing batter.

Doubleday
Doubleday

Colon should have had a complete game. Wheeler had a complete game shutout. Can't wait to see what Daisuke does tonight - he has been throwing well, too. Got to love a guy who can relieve one day, and start three days later. Dice has become our Don Newcombe (Some of you will have to Google Newcombe to know what I am talking about).

dolemite
dolemite

I think last night's game may have bought Recker a ticket to Vegas next week.  Teagarden being able to work with Wheeler is enough reason to keep him as the backup.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

The fact that Collins even thought about pulling Wheeler shows what a worthless simpleton he is. If he pulled him last night in the 9th. I think Keith might have blown a gasket.

hankincolo
hankincolo

@JoMama No to beaning, yes to throw inside. Remember, we bean, they'll bean and where will we have been? O.k. I tried. :)

hankincolo
hankincolo

@rico Traschel was awful to watch. Paint dried faster in high humidity compared to how slowly he worked on the mound.

hankincolo
hankincolo

@rico Heilman is slicing cold cuts behind a deli counter in AZ.

hankincolo
hankincolo

@drmetfan Someone here pointed out that when he starts every 5th day, he's very good, but when he is off that schedule, he has issues. I'm not ready to throw that baby out with the bathwater.

hankincolo
hankincolo

@Tortured Mets Fan I agree, but I suspect we'll see a case of "addition by subtraction". Chris Young leaves (he's a DFA waiting to happen) when Juan Lagares returns, and then it's a time share in LF between EY and Kirk. Or, Grandy goes to LF, if and/or when Kirk starts striking out again and then we'll see that so far ageless wonder Bobby Abreu. 

btw Mr. Tortured, .... you're, not your. 

ry110891
ry110891

@Tortured Mets Fan M only concern is that there are not many good hitters in the league anymore and pitching is much more talented and dominant.  I don't know if there are any players available that are worth trading for or the few good hitters are not available by other teams

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Tortured Mets Fan Actually, I heard on the Fan the other day that if you look at his stats, he's superb every 5 days on regular rest. But when they have an off day that gives him an extra day off, something just screws him up and he's terrible the next time out. Unfortunately that trend bears out with this start, as it was exactly 5 days since his last time out...

hankincolo
hankincolo

@Bob Burket Seriously, cheap shot at David? You don't think a veteran all-star knows a thing or two about stuff? He's been watching a lot of good pitchers standing off 3rd base and stepping in the box against a lot of very good pitchers. You can't be serious. Tell me you're not serious.

hankincolo
hankincolo

@Doubleday I'm familiar with Newcomb, did not know he was a multi-purpose guy. I thought we was primarily a starter.

Doubleday
Doubleday

Saw a graphic on the web comparing Wheeler's first season to Verlander's, Kershaw's, and others. Zack is right there.

jonlga
jonlga

Colon would have finished except he's 41, ran the bases and it was 115 on the field. But good to see the starters going deep.

jamets
jamets

@dolemite  I don't know that last night's game means much, but I think Teagarden is probably a better player than Recker to begin with.

Steve Finelli
Steve Finelli

@dolemite Last night was all about Wheeler.  Did u not watch the game? He was shaking off Teagarden ALL NIGHT.  Teagarden will be back at the blackjack tables.

blueorange
blueorange

@cleonsvan. Seriously! Did wheeler complete the game. Stop complaining about nothing. I can't stand TC but get a grip.

Steve Finelli
Steve Finelli

@cleonsvan The guy has never pitched beyond the 7th inning in his MLB life!!  ALL 29 OTHER  MLB MANAGERS WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF PULLING HIM!!  Ever play the game beyond LL?

jonlga
jonlga

If they got the tying run on in the ninth and Wheeler was tiring then you put in your closer. That's what the closer is there for. He thought about it, as did everyone else.

But it wasn't needed and we won. But keep complaining about a win.

dolemite
dolemite

@cleonsvan Collins is always trying to protect his players, letting them leave with a good feeling.  I think it is a good sign that he is now pushing Zach - similar to how he has handled Gee this year.

Maybe last night would have been different if Mejia had thrown a perfect 9th in refield of Colon tho.

JoMama
JoMama

@hankincolo Sorry, but this team is soft. I'm not saying we should headhunt, just throw WAY inside. Back of the #'s would work to get them off the plate

alphaomega
alphaomega

He's had a few bad games this yr but it's expected for a rookies full season playing in NY

Bob Burket
Bob Burket

@hankincolo @Bob Burket  HA HA. I was paraphrasing Bob Gibson when once in a game his catcher Tim McCarver came out to the mound during a bad inning. Gibson told McCarver "Get back behind the plate. The only thing you know about pitching is that its hard to hit".  No cheap shot at Wright. Lighten up bud.

Steve Finelli
Steve Finelli

@jamets @dolemite Seriously??  Teagarden hit .220 to Recker's .320 in the spring and that was starting very few games so by the time he got in he was hitting against AA pitchers.  That's why he ended up in Vegas.  I don't see how you could say Teagarden is better.  At best they are one nd the same.......at best......but better????.......no way.

jonlga
jonlga

And the funny thing is, he wasn't pulled! Of course it was considered. It would have been worse to not think about it.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@jonlga  Clearly Zack was not tired. There was no one in the bullpen who would throw better than him last nite even after pitch #110.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@dolemite @cleonsvan  Pitchers should throw 150 pitches per game if they need to. You strengthen your arm by throwing more. We have more TJ surgeries because pitchers are on pitch counts from the time they are in college and the lower minor leagues. Even Nolan Ryan is beginning to get rid of the counts in the Texas system.

mags328
mags328

@alphaomega Or any rookie, for that matter.

jonlga
jonlga

And he was left in. What are you whining about? That they won? Or what didn't happen?

blueorange
blueorange

@cleonsvan. I guess that's why Johan was never the same after his 134 pitch no hitter.

dooley
dooley

@cleonsvan There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the Tommy John epidemic is due to overuse/abuse in high school and even little league. Doctors examining elbows of teenagers and young men remark how they resemble a person who would be thirty years older

jonlga
jonlga

Let us all know when that happens. Until it does pitchers are limited.

This isn't 1985. Pitch counts are part if baseball now.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@jonlga  Shut up. I was responding to another post.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

To be fair, the injury Johan suffered after the no-hitter was a re-occurance of the same injury he suffered in 2010. He also pitched well for a few starts after the no-hitter so there no real way if telling if the high pitch count that day was a factor.

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

@blueorange That's unfair; Johan blew out his shoulder. And there's no proof that the no-hitter was the cause of the injury either--though I'm sure it didn't help, Johan could just as easily suffered the same injury if he had only thrown 80 pitches that night.


You can't blame the no-hitter for Johan's downfall, though the timing was unfortunate.

jonlga
jonlga

Which? Because yours is the only one talking about pulling him in the ninth.

jonlga
jonlga

You brought the whole thing up.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@jonlga  Do you scream at Keith on the television to stop whining too?