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Zack Wheeler had a nice rebound from previous start

Zack Wheeler rebounded from a terrible start against the A’s last week to throw 6.1 innings against the Braves on Monday.

He allowed four hits and five walks, but gave up only one run.

“It happens every once in a while,” Wheeler said of getting a no-decision, after his team squandered a two-run lead. “I fell into a little groove the more I went into the game. My command was there a little more. I just felt comfortable.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

I overreact when he has a bad start, which is unfair. He’s too talented, and too young, to judge on a game-by-game basis, yet I do it anyway. I’ll say this, though: my big concern – after his awful outing against Oakland – was a) how he’d rebound from it, and b) is he capable of fighting through a game when he doesn’t have his best ‘stuff.’

Last night, he didn’t have his best ‘stuff,’ again. However, unlike against the A’s, despite an inconsistent delivery and a lack of command, he pushed through it. He got ground balls when he needed them, he moved guys off the plate and created space where he needed it. This is a good sign.




70 comments
jersymick
jersymick

METS NEED A TRADE. A BLOCKBUSTER.

jamets
jamets

Not sure why people are saying Wheeler  didn't have his best stuff last night - his stuff looked fine to me.  The same as it always does.  I also didn't see anything inconsistent about his mechanics.


The walks and the high pitch counts are mental.  When he struggles, it's because he nibbles too much instead of challenging hitters. 

greekgod
greekgod

I can't watch the team anymore......last nights game did it for me. I'll watch it when they move into 3rd place.


My last post.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

Come-on....all pitchers have their ups and downs. Zach will get better with experience. He seems to have what it takes to be a very good pitcher.

Vincent Santiago
Vincent Santiago

When Zach is good he slows everything down and is more direct to the plate and his arm slot is more overhand and not three quarters.  It is what it is last night he didn't have his best stuff he walked a ton and had men on base but the guy is good enough that he works out of trouble and gets good results and he deserved to win that game. 

JasonMiles
JasonMiles

Today is the official end of the Mets Season-With 3 months to go this is going to be a painful summer


Michael Jacoutot
Michael Jacoutot

So i'm bored at work, awaiting for 4p USMNT and I figured I'd construct what our team would like in 2015...


Ace - Matt Harvey 

#2 - Jon Niese 

#3 - Zach Wheeler

#4 - Dillon Gee 

#5 - Bartolo Colon 


- we know someone will get hurt, so you resign Daisuke for long man/spot starter (not the closer, that worked out so well) - you keep Degrom and Montero in AAA for insurance (they're still young - one more year isn't going to kill them)


7th Inning - Vic Black 

8th Inning - Jeurys Familia (sans last night, he's been tough)

9th Inning - Meija (maybe package Meija and Degrom for someone and pick up a closer in FA (Jason Motte? K-Rod?)


Lefty Specialist - Josh Edgin (he's on the rise)


Batting Order - 


LF - Emilio Bonifacio (1 year deal) or Denard Span ($9mm club option though that will likely be picked up)

2B - Danny Murphy 

3B - David Wright 

SS - HANLEY!!!! (going to take 5 years and $20mm+)

RF - Grandy

1B - Duda 

C - d'Arnaud 

CF - JLag 


EY on the bench; Kirk (playing in 50% of the games either coming off the bench in close games or starting when the others need a break) 


Here's the thing - we can only get ONE big FA this offseason and that has to be Hanley.  This is precisely why I don't think SA is doing that bad of a job - we aren't that far off from a competitive team.  We are just playing like crap - which means, this team needs leadership and it needs to come from the Manager.  So, with that, I'd fire Terry 


Then in 2016, you can get rid of Bonifacio for Nimmo and you can let Murphy go for Wilfredo or Wilmer 

Everyone else is under contract.  I think Sandy is onto something. Just took him forever. 


ALL OF THIS CAN BE DONE WITHOUT HURTING THE FUTURE, so let's get the WIlpons to PONY the EFF Up! 





Jonathan Kava
Jonathan Kava

What's inconsistent about his delivery? Can you be more specific please?


Length of drive, leg kick height, arm speed, finishing position, hand positioning, tempo.....


You're constantly saying he has an inconsistent delivery but no one knows what you mean.

spelletrader
spelletrader

In other news, today is Bobby Bonilla check day! It's amazing how he turned $5.9m left on his contract into an annual payment of $1.2/year for 25 years and another annual payment of $0.5m from both the Mets and Orioles thru 2028 (the Mets pay slightly more than half). What agent pulled this gem off?

Of course the Mets at the time didn't care, since they were seeing such great returns from Bernie Madoff.

It would be funny if it wasn't so disgusting.

Peter Loibl
Peter Loibl

The only thing worse than getting angry at the Mets' ineptitude is, ultimately, caring less and less every day.


This is what is happening to this franchise's fan base: complacency. The stadium is a morgue, and this franchise is an MLB afterthought. 


Wilpons ... WAKE UP. Enough already. 

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

What Sandy really meant was...140 wins in the next 2 years.

Father Dooley
Father Dooley

ONLY  TWO AND A HALF GAMES AHEAD OF THE WORST RECORD IN BASEBALL

rf04
rf04

I feel confident that Wheeler will be a pretty good pitcher in the long run. Potentially a #2 or #3 starter. He is not a piece we need to be worrying about. Let him pitch every 5th day and occasionally be brilliant and occasionally take his lumps - that's how young pitchers mature.

Not much to discuss here.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Zack clearly has the stuff  be a quality starter for years to come. And the mental make-up as well. What he doesn't have is a professional team behind him. How many of his wins have been given-away? How do we keep these guys motivated during a meaningless second-half? Let Terry go quietly during the All Star break. You gotta figure the team has long-since stopped listening. Sometimes change for the sake of change is necessary.

thjopr6986
thjopr6986

"The Mets games are unwatchable and the offical Mets blog is unreadable" said every suffering Mets fan.

archer41
archer41

Agreed.  It was a gutty performance.  He clearly didn't have his best stuff.  One of the few bright spots yesterday.  It's frustrating when they had Wood on the ropes and couldn't knock him out.  It's rare when this team gets tack on runs.  

mkaufman1
mkaufman1

I think its more of being consistent with his delivery.  I'm no expert, but it looked like at points his shoulder would open as he pitched which made the ball go all over.  Other times the ball would come out and it looked like it was coming out of a chute, nice and smooth.  I also think he partially was getting squeezed. 


Hes so young and it was nice to see him battle like Matt said.  At some point I hope he makes the big leap we all know he can do.  Gee and Niese did it and they were not as highly regarded.

hashburry
hashburry

The question is with a young talent, how long do you wait for him to put it all together?  He has never shown great command.  It was always the knock on him in the minors.  He went back to his high school mechanics at some point and that supposedly was the big fix.  Well, he still can't consistently control his fastball location and his secondary stuff is a mystery game to game.  He just reminds me more and more of Pelfrey.  And he seems to have no answers regarding what is wrong. If he can't improve his command, he'll always be a guy that taxes the bullpen and, like last night, is at 80 pitches in the the 4th inning.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

@Michael Jacoutot Sure, we need a quality SS but Hanley Ramirez is not the answer. His numbers have been trending solidly downward and he is generally not regarded as much of a team player.

lindro88
lindro88

@Michael Jacoutot I do like the idea of keeping Colon.  If they want to compete next year they'll need him.  It's getting old signing FA's solely for the purpose of dumping them at the deadline.  Too bad we didn't resign Marlon Byrd.  That guy wanted to play here.  15 homeruns 50 or so rbi.  That was a mistake.

BB_PitchingGuy
BB_PitchingGuy

@Michael Jacoutot Hanley can't really play SS anymore and has become injury prone. We'd be destroying that contract right after he signed it. I think Conforto is in LF sooner than later. Nimmo could be here next year at his current pace. 

Vincent Santiago
Vincent Santiago

@Michael Jacoutot If Gee is in the rotation then I will be surprised. You aren't taking into account Synnderguard. No way in hell the Mets get Hanley or Bonifiaco.  The Mets mantra should be "Compete in 2016? Maybe? Maybe?" 

JasonMiles
JasonMiles

@Michael Jacoutot Find something to do at work because you're never going to see anything like this on the Mets. Hanley Ramirez is not coming to the Mets

lindro88
lindro88

@Jonathan Kava  It sounds like a good thing to be concerned about.   I like when Matt scouts these guys.

spelletrader
spelletrader

Maybe hitting rock bottom will force them to shake things up a bit.

rf04
rf04

@Father Dooley On pace for 73-74 wins. Did you TRULY expect different results this year? I can't honestly say I did.

rf04
rf04

@Kenneth Meltsner Tough to argue, but what they need is roster change, not manager change. You can only squeeze so much out of this crop of "talent". 

I don't agree TC needs to go, but it also wouldn't kill me to see it happen.

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@hashburry He has something Pelfrey didnt though, which is a quality breaking balls. He has has a swing and miss fastball with the good movement. He also has a changeup, so Id say, no, he's far ahead of Pelfrey. However, I will agree that he does not possess great command. With his delivery, it's unlikely he will be an elite strike thrower until he matures. However, when he is on, he can be dominant. If he puts it together, he is going to nasty.

Son of Harley
Son of Harley

@hashburry Wheeler hasn't exactly set the world on fire, but even with his struggles he's way, way better than Pelfrey. 

Michael Jacoutot
Michael Jacoutot

Easy, he's not in the bigs and has a 5+ era. Not saying he's not a top of the line starter in the future, but he hasn't done anything to warrant being on this teams staff with that depth.

Michael Jacoutot
Michael Jacoutot

@Vincent Santiago @Michael Jacoutot ahh THOR!  I knew I forgot one.  I just don't see a trade out there that will bring an equitable return.  Unless someone is very, very desperate at the deadline this year, I see more of the same next year. 

Michael Jacoutot
Michael Jacoutot

@JasonMiles @Michael Jacoutot I'm not asking for much, just one, ONE, FA worth their salt.  Grandy is decent.  I think he has the intangibles that help a team.  Chemistry counts for something, too.  

lindro88
lindro88

@rf04 @Mike Dell Italia  "Nothing is over...You can't just turn it off"

                                                                                           John Rambo

Michael Jacoutot
Michael Jacoutot

Steven, you're right. We can afford someone better than bonifacio/span whom will comand $9m next year. Please, do tell who that LF will be that can bat at the top of the order.