David Wright studies the pitcher

Wright moves into second for NL All-Star voting

David Wright has moved into second place in the National League All-Star voting.

Wright has 565,982 votes and trails Rockies’ 3B Nolan Arenado, who has 590,745 votes.

He was previously in third place, but has since overtaken Aramis Ramirez of the Brewers, who has 472,321 votes.

Daniel Murphy is the only other Met to crack the top five players at his position, and comes in at No. 5 with 298,611 votes. Murphy trails Chase Utley (974,196), Dee Gordon (530,289), Neil Walker (365,050) and Brandon Phillips (304,541).




66 comments
Rich
Rich

Wright is just not worthy this year. #firecollins

Some Mets fans piss me off so much. It doesn't matter if Wright doesn't deserve to start, you should still vote for him because he is the captain and best player on your favorite team.  2 years ago Pablo Sandoval didn't deserve to start but Giants fans still voted him in because he plays for their favorite team. Geez guys...

mets2891
mets2891

How about competing AFTER the All-Star game?  That would be a nice change of pace.

dannym28
dannym28

meanwhile jimmy is constantly clicking arenado for starting 3B

Carl Delellis
Carl Delellis

Wright is so lucky that the 3rd base position is so bad at least in the national league. If it was a little better he wouldn't even sniff the all star game this year

Marty Coe Jr
Marty Coe Jr

That's nothing! That gap can definitely be made up! Murph on the other hand is waaaay behind and thus the reason voting needs to be taken away from fans! Murphy deserves to be a backup if not the starting 2B! The best performing players should be at the all star game, not the most popular! This isn't a senior prom for God's sake! Lol

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

I'm not a big fan of voting for players, just because they're my faves or because they're on my favorite team (ol' school thinking I know).  That said, to this point there were only 3 Met position players worth tracking to POSSIBLY vote into the ASG:  Wright, Murphy and Lagares

Well, Wright is having a solid season.  Not sure I'd equate that with AS.  Murphy's latest offensive talespin and overall malaise has taken him out of consideration IMO, and so has Lagares' now 2nd DL stint and recent offensive slide.  

That said Met ASs this year may be: Wright (R), Torres, and MAYBE Gee if he comes off the DL and pitches well.  Team from NYC I know, but also sub .500.  Shouldn't be too many AS on a sub .500 team anyway....

Cheryl Ann
Cheryl Ann

Arenado's defense is great I'll give you that but Wright has made some great plays as well. If TC believed in actually guarding the line, Wright could have more opportunities to have "game changing plays". Comparing their offensive stats - Arenado with a stacked line-up, Wright not so much and they actually aren't that far off. Arenado has more doubles and 2 more HRs, but Wright does lead the NL in hits and is second in go ahead RBI behind Stanton. If he's not voted in as a starter, I think Wright will be the reserve representing the Mets but he may actually start. Arenado was put on the DL a few days ago with a broken finger and is expected to be out until at least the end of June or beginning of July. Zimmerman from the Nationals went down with a broken finger way earlier in the season and he's just coming back today. Ramirez is also on the DL with a hamstring strain and while expected back soon, probably won't be playing full time for a while.

zoddie
zoddie

Makes sense.  Arenado has been better than Wright this year.  His defense is insanely good.


No worries, Wright will make it as a reserve.

Ricky
Ricky

Mark it down - 2014 is Daniel Murphy's 1st ASG selection (as a reserve).  Well-deserved too.

jamets
jamets

Wright obviously deserves to be there and will probably start.  If it weren't for him, I would feel bad for the NL manager who had to pick another Met for the team.

Andrew Fraraccio
Andrew Fraraccio

No Met deserves to be a starter in the All star game Sorry !

Richard
Richard

You mean second place for NL third basemen. I think Tulo has the overall lead. It helps that the two other 3rd basemen are on the DL.

90wins
90wins

It's going to be hard for Murph to beat Chase Utley

Evan Halperin
Evan Halperin

wright may not be hitting for power, but he has the most hits in the NL. no reason he shouldn't win out

Ed Renner
Ed Renner

 You obviously show your age. The All Star Game is for the guys having the  best year at their position. I hope that David is that guy. But right now, he is not. This game has been watered down to a popularity contest, won by teams in major markets who stuff the ballot box because they LIKE their players. This isn't what the All Star game is supposed to be. Can't blame you if that's all you know or if that's all you've experienced. But this ain't an All Star game. It's a weighted popularity contest. Not right.

@Marty Coe Jr  In all fairness Chase Utley is having a great year....but I think Murph should back up

zoddie
zoddie

@Cheryl Ann  No one loves David Wright more than me.  That being said, Wright is an above average defender at this point in his career.  Arenado is the best defensive third baseman in the league.  It isn't even close.


Their offensive stats are similar when adjusted for their respective ballparks.  If Wright was having a normal power year, I'd give the nod to him, but he isn't.  And you're right that David may start anyway if Arenado's finger is still a problem by the break.

Ricky
Ricky

@Andrew Fraraccio:


To be fair, Wright is leading the National League in hits & is 2nd in the league in go-ahead RBIs for his team, trailing only MVP candidate Giancarlo Stanton.


Who's more qualified than him this year among 3B?  Aramis "I'm-Batting-.250-With-120-At-Bats" Ramirez?

jenkins
jenkins

@Richard you mean Arenado, who is an MVP candidate for the first one-third of the season. He's been very impressive.


Wright will definitely make the team, though.

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

Yea the power isn't there but he's still steady David

90wins
90wins

@Evan Halperin Arenado has much fewer RBI's than David Wright. I believe that Mets fans are holding back their votes to show their displeasure with the Mets ownership.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@Ed Renner I'm almost at the point where i'd rather they forego the game altogether and have a "skills" competition.  The game is weak and watered down at this point

zoddie
zoddie

@Steven Matregrano @Carl Delellis Well, the hitting streak and the fact that he is leading NL 3b in BA and SLG, and is the best defender in the league.

I'm glad Wright is going to make the AS game, but how has he been better than five other guys this season? Arenado, Frazier, Matt Carpenter...

zoddie
zoddie

 @Marty Coe Jr Exactly this.  Utley has been the best 2b BY FAR this year.  Murph should make the team, though.

@AgeesCatch @Ricky  Among the league leaders in hits....big deal for a 2nd baseman

Marty Coe Jr
Marty Coe Jr

Actually he hasn't been awful! He's made a few key errors but that's it. Overall, big picture, he's been prettt good defensively! I could name a lot more who have been worse defensively like Dan Uggla to start!

Marty Coe Jr
Marty Coe Jr

I'll trade all star popularity contest selections for being in contention in August anyday which if harvey comes back that month and they make a decent trade for a big bat they very well could be

Marty Coe Jr
Marty Coe Jr

I actually think attendance is hurting the voting which very well may be a protest against the wilponzies so you're half right IMHO. Truth is whether you go to the games or not vote like crazy from your phones and laptops. Lets take over the polls!!

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

RBI is a flawed stat and should not be used to judge a player on his personal performance

heynow20
heynow20

that would be a shame.  We shouldn't penalize David because of the Wilpons. 

shea
shea

@Steven Festa every stat is flawed....check out all the walks Travis is getting (thereby driving up his OBP)....its a flawed stat in that case....he isnt walking because he is good or accomplishing anything, he is walking because its what the other team wants. 


I dont mind the RBI stat, you play the game to score runs and an RBI is indication of scoring a run. 

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

@Steven Matregrano @Steven Festa And if you DO want to get into that argument... Nolan Arenado is hitting .305/.333/.489 with 6 homers and 1.7 fWAR.  David Wright is hitting .296/.345/.403 with 1.0 fWAR so far.  David's offensive numbers aren't bad.  Surely theyre not what David Wright has produced throughout his career, but the season isnt even halfway finished yet.  As far as defense, Arenado's has been better as per Fangraphs, and David's has actually not been good this far by the same metric.


I still would like David to start the all star game... not because he has like 8 more "RBI" than Nolan Arenado, or because "nobody has heard of the kid" (which is pretty much a baseless comment considering that if nobody had heard of him, he wouldn't be the leading vote-getter in the All-Star Balloting - clearly Colorado fans are coming out big time and voting their guys in just like the Giants did a few years ago).

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

@Steven Matregrano @Steven Festa We aren't arguing about whether or not David should be in the all star game... I KNOW he should be starting the all star game, hes the best 3B in the NL right now.  What I'm talking about has NOTHING to do with Arenado... we're talking about something completely different.

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

@shea and what do you mean its what the other team wants?  They want to give up baserunners instead of getting them out?  What?  Nothing you said makes any sort of sense.

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

@shea What?  The walks are good.  How is getting on base not accomplishing something good?  Its actually a great sign that he isnt totally lost at the plate and has good discipline... the rest of the offense comes

shea
shea

@Steven Festa @shea Can you think on a slightly deeper level? 


Envision this:

Two guys on, 2 outs....Travis at the plate with Colon on deck.


The other team is going to throw travis 4 pitches slightly off the plate....would you rather A) have your catcher attempt to hit one of the pitches off the plate and drive in runs OR...take your walk, smile as you walk to first...and watch Colon strike out?  The opposing team would LOVE to have Travis as a baserunner and bring up the pitcher..,.the opposing team wants you to walk.


Again...sometimes you DONT want a walk...sometimes a walk IS NOT the same as a single

shea
shea

@Steven Festa @shea if you are batting in front of the pitcher with 2 guys on....would you rather walk on 4 pitches slightly off the plate (and put the pitcher up) or attempt to get a hit?


walks are not always good....not if the other team WANTS you to walk.

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

@shea I dont think on a slightly deeper level?  lol...


Read my post above.  

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

@shea so you'd rather him ignore his plate discipline and swing at bad pitches.... and make the out himself....?  


him taking a walk given to him doesn't mean its a bad thing.  

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

@shea @Steven Festa Keep in mind those 4 extra pitches out of the strike zone, plus the extra pitches he may or may not foul off also add to the stress on a pitcher's arm... making him tire sooner....


and 2 guys on, 2 outs, travis at the plate - youre cherry picking random events.  Not every time he walks are there two outs and 2 guys on.  

shea
shea

@Steven Festa @shea absolutely, i would want him to swing at slighly  (granted, "slightly" is a relative term) bad pitches if it means the opportunity to drive in a run (you do after all, play the game to score runs, the scoreboard tracks runs...it does not track walks)


Wouldnt you want to have a hitter try to score a run ahead of the pitchers spot rather than bring the pitcher up?

shea
shea

@Steven Festa @shea Im cherry picking random events...I started the convo with a direct reference to Travis....who bats in front of the pitcher....this senario happens more often than you think. 


You were the one who said "Nothing you said makes any sort of sense"....does it still make no sense?  Are you happy when Wright walks and brings up some guy batting .200?  Most pitchers are pitching around Wright and while a walk by him isnt a bad thing...it also isnt a good thing if the pitcher is pitching around him because the guy behind him is no threat. HITTERS should want to HIT...they should be chomping at the bit to drive in runs....not walk.

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

@shea @Steven Festa I'm pretty sure that pro players choose to swing at pitches that they are more sure they can make solid contact with.  Those outside pitches are not just designed to put players on base.  They want hitters to swing at them and generate weak contact, which leads to outs more often than not.


Also, it clears the pitchers spot for the next inning, in case the pitcher does make an out.

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

@jimmybxnyc @Steven Festa  "When Sánchez returned from the DL, he was still experiencing the control problems that had plagued him before he was injured"


he was hurt.  but just like the rest of the bad control pitchers, he's out of baseball because he can't throw strikes.  to say that most walks are done on purpose is asinine, and makes me wonder why managers get so pissed when their relievers come in and walk the first batter they face - who then comes around to score.... cause they wanted to give up that run - cause they wanted to lose.... brainless.

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

@shea @Steven Festa "this scenario happens more often than you think"  .....i KNOW its happened either 1 or 2 times.  Facts.  Pretty cool, aren't they?

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

@shea @Steven Festa And as far as how many of those FOUR walks you're referring to were intentional.... the answer is more than 50% of them.  So quite frankly, the situation you're talking about has LITERALLY happened either 1 or 2 times.  How many of those times were there two runners on and two outs?  This huge walk epidemic thats costing them runs which you're referring to.  Someone make it stop!

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

@shea @Steven Festa Hits are always better than walks.  100%.  However Professional baseball players know that in a game you are given a finite number of outs, and when given the opportunity to not make them, they accept that.  Pro HITTERS know that they need hitable pitches to be able to drive in runs.  That's why they're the pro players and we aren't.  It's easy to sit back here and yell that guys should be more aggressive in certain situations when they have learned through an entire lifetime of playing baseball that a pitcher's goal is to get them out.  Sure walks aren't as important as a hit, but hits aren't guaranteed, and walks are.


And for the record, Travis d'Arnaud has hit 8th in 9 games this season. NINE out of 35.  He has 16 non-intentional walks on the season and only FOUR of those walks came in those 9 games....  So, quite frankly, what you're talking about are cherry-picked events that have happened an extremely small amount of times.  All of his other walks came in situations where an actual hitter came up behind him.  Not a pitcher.  As far as there being 2 outs and 2 runners on all FOUR of those times... that I'm not sure about.  However, the facts back me up.

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

@jimmybxnyc Thats funny, cause the GMs of ALL MLB TEAMS use the stats that youre saying aren't useful.  All this progress the STL Cardinals have made has been done the wrong way, huh?  Or the 1st place Oakland A's are wrong in the way they evaluate baseball players?  Pro baseball players know that if they swing at pitches outside the zone designed to cause bad contact or a swing and a miss.... they will make an out.  You're saying that Joey Votto, Miguel Cabrera and Mike Trout are all bad, selfish baseball players?  LOL  Wtf are you saying bro

Steven Festa
Steven Festa

@Steven Matregrano @Steven Festa Actually they're not exactly equal.  A walk is wonderful, but a single has the ability to move runners more than one base.  A walk can only move a runner along one base, so hits are more valuable than walks.  This is represented in wOBA, not so much in slugging percentage.


Of course walks cost pitchers big time, and as you can see above, I'm a big proponent of taking walks.  But what I mean by that is basically what i just stated in the last set of sentences.  Singles are worth slightly more than walks because of the ability to move runners farther.


see here:

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2014/5/26/5743956/sabermetrics-stats-offense-learn-sabermetrics