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Wright and Flores errors open door for Braves

In the eighth inning, in a tie game, David Wright chose to try and run down Braves infielder Jace Peterson going from second base to third instead of throwing to first base to get Andrelton Simmons.

Peterson was safe, after which Phil Gosselin delivered a two-run single to give Atlanta a 5-3 lead.

“You have a split second to make a decision. I made a decision, and it turned out to be the incorrect one,” Wright said after the game. “You go field the ball and want to get that runner out of scoring position and thought I could make the tag on him. He made a nice move to the outside and I couldn’t catch up with him.”

Earlier in the game, Wilmer Flores had a pair of throwing errors that led to two unearned runs charged to Jon Niese.

“I’m not going to make excuses,” Flores said. “I just made a bad throw. That’s it.”

Flores has made three errors in the last two games.

“As I’ve said before, we’ve got to understand, this guy has not played a lot of shortstop in the last few years,” manager Terry Collins said after the game. “We’ve got to keep running him out there and see how he’s going to do.”

That said, Collins said Ruben Tejada will likely start at shortstop in one of the team’s next two games against the Braves in Atlanta.

Tejada has yet to appear in a game this season.




338 comments
Letsgomex
Letsgomex

So Mejia's suspension just made the bullpen situation interesting. Any bets on what the Smartest GM Ever will do?

jamets
jamets

@Letsgomex He doesn't need to  do anything because he held onto his depth this offseason.  Familia will close until Parnell comes back.  

Cheryl Ann
Cheryl Ann

Mejia just suspended 80 games for PED use!!!

borshe
borshe

Well at least we know he will have time to recover from injury

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

I understand why Flores is playing SS...MGMT thinking he could hit  260--270-15-16 hrs with 60-70 rbis but if hes going to make 30 errors along the way?You have to have good defense up the middle at SS with this team...just not enough offense here..its not like Sandy will go out and get a .350 hitter with 35 hrs.

04doctored14
04doctored14

At best a .500 team--Harvey vs. Wheeler may result in a few more wins which will be more then nullified by our horrific middle infield defense similar to last nite's game.  Cuddyer may hit a little but we are losing speed, defense and a propensity to injury in an older player.  Don't see what all the excitement is about--3rd place in the division, at best.  A lot of the players who could help this team are rotting in Las Vegas for contractual reasons as we all know how the Wilpon's operate (Reynolds, Matz and possibly Syndergaard).

Doubleday
Doubleday

SMH. Thor isn't ready, he hasn't even mastered AAA yet. Matz isn't ready, he just got to AAA. Reynolds has just 1/2 a solid season at AAA under his belt. Not ready.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

A good offensive team would have come back regardless of errors...but defense is part of this game also.

josef
josef

The truth is that we are a league-average offensive team at best. Our saving-grace is way above average pitching, especially among the starters. When you have very good pitching, and barely a league-average offense, you must have a slightly-better-than-average defense, to make it into the post-season. If you give away games like last night, purely on horrible defense, with Flores' 2 errors, and the 2-run mistake of Captain Wright, you will never make the playoffs. If we give away one game every 2 weeks, similar to last night (that is one game out of every 14 games or so), we end up losing about 10 to 12 more games this year than we should have lost. And that is exactly the difference between finishing around 80-82 or 81-81, versus finishing at 90-72, 91-71, or even 92-70, and making the postseason!

Believe it or not, defense does matter and every win or loss counts, whether early in the season or later!

We can't effort to experiment with lineups and players till late May, and end up losing a handful of games we shouldn't have lost, and then try to correct things come June, if the goal is to make the playoffs, as the team says it is!

A game here and a game there is what makes or breaks a season!

Here is what the Mets should do:

1) Take Grandy out of the leadoff spot and insert Lagares

2) Instead of having 8 pitchers in the bullpen, go with 7,like most teams do, and let Montero go to AAA and pitch as a starter every 5th day, to either get him ready to be a legit major league starter to help the team later, or use him as a solid piece in a potential trade.

3) Promote Reynolds and start him as your SS

4) Use Flores as a utility guy, sometimes replacing Murphy at 2nd, and sometimes giving Reynolds a day off

5) Go with this batting order: Lagares, Murphy, Wright, Duda, Cuddayer, D'Arnaud, Granderson, Reynolds (Flores), pitcher

6) If Flores turns things around offensively, and is not too horrible defensively, trade Murphy before he walks, and start Flores at 2nd base by midseason.


thecyclone
thecyclone

@josef Problem is Flores needs at bats consistantly to eventually hit. Showed that last year when they finally gave him playing time he started to hit. Put him in the utility spot he wont be able to turn it around with a few ab's here, a few there. He's either got to be out there or not, and if he's not dont expect much out of him. As for Murphy I believe they'll be looking to trade him near the deadline.

josef
josef

@thecyclone

True! I am hoping they will trade Murphy for a mid-level prospect sooner than later, instead of losing him for nothing.

That way we can have Flores at second, and Reynolds manning SS!

Doubleday
Doubleday

So does Desmond, and you guys were willing to sell the farm for him.

lagaresfamiliafan
lagaresfamiliafan

The main difference between Wright and Flores in the field is Wright had already contributed to two of our runs and Flores contributed to 3 outs.

lagaresfamiliafan
lagaresfamiliafan

You guys have to stop protecting Flores. This year he has been horrible at the plate and on defense. Last year he didn't do anything to impress. I'd rather have Tejada playing short. SS is one of if not the most important defensive position.

Doubleday
Doubleday

You guys have to stop bashing a rookie after 4 games.

lagaresfamiliafan
lagaresfamiliafan

@Doubleday He's not a rookie. He has 368 career ab and has a career ops of .618! Not to mention he plays below average defense.

theglider
theglider

One thing is clear: Jimmy is an utter and complete idiot.

This is going to be a long season having to put up with his moronic comments.

josef
josef

The truth is that we are a league-average offensive team at best. Our saving-grace is way above average pitching, especially among the starters. When you have very good pitching, and barely a league-average offense, you must have a slightly-better-than-average defense, to make it into the post-season. If you give away games like last night, purely on horrible defense, with Flores' 2 errors, and the 2-run mistake of Captain Wright, you will never make the playoffs. If we give way one game every 2 weeks, similar to last night (that is one game out of every 14 games or so), we end up losing about 11 or 12 more games this year than we should have lost. And that is exactly the difference between finishing at 80-82 or 81-81, versus at 92-70 or 93-69, and making the postseason!

Believe it or not, defense does matter and every win or loss counts, whether early in the season or later!

surfer1
surfer1

Good,

Flores is playing today...

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Stults is not exactly a cy young candidate.. we should have hit him a lot harder.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

It was barely covered by Ron and Gary, but the debacle of an inning was helped by a play by Lagares that led to two bases instead of one.  Ron barely -- we are talking about Lagares the great here, so a flub is worthy of discussion -- referenced it, but did argue that how he played the ball made what could have been a single translate to two bases.  This made the inning that much more depressing.  The net result of the loss is that the weekend is in effect lost unless they -- with Gee vs. the Braves ace & Colon -- win both games against a team hot out of the gate.  It happens & you move on, but it's a bit too early to lose a series in this fashion.


Also, who btw expected Lagares to make that play?  Instead it went for two bases that was just the beginning.  Missed getting out of it by a single strike, but you know ... could have lost it in the 19th ...

Letsgomex
Letsgomex

@Joe Paulson

"This made the inning that much more depressing."

Right. Not the fact that Captain Bonehead tried to play the hero instead of getting the sure out.

And of course Cheryl Ann, aka Wright's mom, approves of your post seeing as how it deflects blame from our veteran Captain who supposedly shows the young guys how to play the game right.

Letsgomex
Letsgomex

 @Letsgomex @Joe Paulson

Played ball up to Senior in High School. The one thing you are taught to do is anticipate what to do if the ball comes your way.You don't "react" to a play. 

And nobody is hating on Wright for the boneheaded miscue. Just pointing out the fact that his "misjudgement" put us in a difficult position to win the game.

nick1331
nick1331

@Letsgomex @Joe Paulson Yes you already have in your mind what you're suppose to do before the ball is hit towards you, but you're also not expecting a runner trying to advance on a ball hit to the left side of the infield, that's why it became a play of reaction. You can see Wright didn't expect the runner to come at all, at that point it became a matter if Wright was quick enough to turn and get the out, he wasn't. I disagree with you saying nobody is hating on Wright, I can name a few people down below. I agree Wright's play put us in a difficult situation but I don't see the point in calling Wright's ability in leading our young guys on "how to play the game right". He tried to make a smart play based on his judgement. It didn't work out. I feel errors made by Flores, and even Lagares on the ill-advised dive were more costly in this game than Wright's. 

Cheryl Ann
Cheryl Ann

The point of my posts after yesterday's game was to point out that focusing on errors whether from DW or Flores ignores a few important concerns. First, that Jon Niese looked pretty much awful all night. He gave up a HR on second pitch and was getting hit hard before the errors. Secondly, no denying that aside from DW and Mayberry the offense was non-existent. These problems are as real as the errors. And for record, I'm a dude who travels a lot and misses his little girl so I use her name as tag. I was going to change it but now that I see how it throws people off I can't bring myself to do it.

Letsgomex
Letsgomex

 @Letsgomex @Joe Paulson

"He tried to make a smart play based on his judgement."

But that's what you're missing. It wasn't a smart play to even attempt to make the play. The smart play was to get the second out and put the pressure on the upcoming hitter. The fact that he didn't expect the runner to move to third and that he fell for the bait doesn't excuse his mental lapse. Everyone excpet you knee-jerk Wright lovers can agree on that.

The game was tied up to that point. For you to " feel" that Flores' errors and Lagares' play cost us the game is asinine. 

openmind6
openmind6

@Cheryl Ann You shouldn't have to explain to anyone why your blog name is "Cheryl Ann" God forbid a girl is on here to talk baseball. It'd be like the end of the world.

Letsgomex
Letsgomex

@openmind6 @Cheryl Ann

You're right he doesn't have to explain. Unless someone confuses him for a female commenter and he feels like clarifying that.

Letsgomex
Letsgomex

 @Letsgomex @Joe Paulson

Haha so Lagares put Wright in that situation? Flawless logic.

And to say that Flores' errors were "costlier" at a point when those errors were nullified show that you're just grinding an ax here. It isn't that difficult to place blame all around, but insted you try to deflect from Wright's boneheaded play by trying to pin it on the kids.

And I gotta tell you your coaches were morons. You play the fundamentals and get the sure out in that situation. 

thecyclone
thecyclone

Should I throw Murphs name into the ring too? He should have been covering second, not going to backup first when there was a man at second. If by chance the runner stopped in front of Wright and Wright ran him back to second, who was there to get the throw? As they said last night when he saw Wright go for the tag and not the throw he should have took off for second to cover it. As I said below, the blame goes all around. It is a team sport and the team loses. 


Not meant at just one person.

nick1331
nick1331

@Letsgomex @Joe Paulson Well Lagares' dive gave away the extra base. Moving the runner up to 2nd instead of 1st. Logically yes it did lead to the following events. One change in any event leads to its following events, so it's not entirely flawless logic. How were Flores' errors nullified? They lead to 2 runs if i'm not mistaken. The blame does go all around. In my opinion from your argument your majority of the blame is unfairly being directed at Wright. 

Yea I can definitely agree my high school coach was a moron, but he knew what he was talking about. I also wouldn't consider Kevin Baez a moron when it comes to this stuff when I got the chance to work with him for a summer a few years ago. You always go for the lead runner when you feel you have a chance for the out. If Wright turned to his right side instead of his left then he would have had a better chance at the play. He misjudged the play, I don't get how hard that is to understand. He made a smart baseball move, he went for a lead runner who was trying to advance on a ball hit to the left side. 

nick1331
nick1331

@Letsgomex @Joe Paulson I also don't see the point in trying to put words in my mouth as if I'm putting this entire game on Flores or Lagares. Blame goes all around, I just disagree with your assessment that Wright deserves some special recognition in being blamed

nick1331
nick1331

@Letsgomex @Joe Paulson I don't get the hate for Wright for this play. Only reason we were in the game at the time was because of him. If you have actually played baseball you would understand Wright's initial reaction to the play. He misjudged the runner and it didn't workout. That's all there is to it. 

nick1331
nick1331

@Letsgomex @Joe Paulson Lol buddy I'm not a Wright lover. I'm a fan of him, but have a few players in front I'm a bigger fan of. You said you played ball, if you have a runner on 2nd, running towards third on a ball hit right at a third baseman what did your coach tell you to do? From what I know every single one of my coaches say go for that lead runner if you feel you can make the play. I trust Wright's judgement on the field over yours. If he made the play I would love to hear what you would be saying.


You're also putting words in my mouth, I didn't say Flores or Lagares cost us the game, their plays were more costly in the end. "Cost" and "Costly" have different meanings depending on the situation. The game was also tied up when Wright's play happened, so by saying my point is asinine, by the same reasoning, must mean yours is as well. If Lagares doesn't make the dive Wright is never put in that situation. It's as simple as that. So yea Lagares' play is much more costly in the end of things. When Event A leads to Event B it also indirectly causes Event C. If Event A never happened neither does Event B or C. 

Letsgomex
Letsgomex

 @Letsgomex @Joe Paulson

It's not a smart baseball move if it's not a sure out. It's as dumb a play as Lagares not playing that ball into a single. But I don't see you trying to make excuses for Lagares, so I have to think that you're trying to deflect blame from Wright.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@Luis Torres Quiñones When you seriously screw up on your fourth day of work, you can also say "hey, it's only four days."  It's true, but it might not sell well. 

mrgee
mrgee

Yeah but when you just had a couple of really successful ones, I bet people cut you some slack. Also, not really a good analogy to ever compare pro athletes to us regular working stiffs.

bedfordave
bedfordave

Let's see. The kid has no range and last night made bad throws. So let's deflect and attack Wright instead, especially for his split-second decision on the field late in the game. In fact, let's pile on TC and say he hates Flores and is looking for an excuse to install Tejada at all costs. Last but not least let's refer to everyone who disagrees with us as unfair and hasty, even though we ridicule the manager and his line-up card at the drop of a hat.

Nicholas Vargas
Nicholas Vargas

Simmons should get one in between the numbers today, let's get it.