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Wilmer Flores will get time at SS this spring

Wilmer Flores will play some games at shortstop this spring, Terry Collins announced Friday in St. Lucie.

Collins said last week that he will also use Flores at second and third base (Kernan, Feb. 4).

Team reports indicate Flores improved his agility and quickness at this winter’s strength and fitness camp.

“If that’s the case,” Collins said, “I want to see it.”

Flores played shortstop in 2011 with Single-A St. Lucie, but later moved to third and second base.

“The work that they have done on speed and agility and quickness, etc., may have an impact on his ability to play certain positions,” Sandy Alderson said last week (DiComo, Jan. 30).

Otherwise, as it stands, Omar Quintanilla and Ruben Tejada will compete to be the team’s starting shortstop.

According to Collins, Anthony Seratelli is a viable option as a back-up infielder.

136 comments
Erik Lopez
Erik Lopez

If Flores can handle shortstop that will boost the Mets offense !!!

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

My concern also is that if Flores, and Duda etc, alter their bodies via fitness in order to play out of position, maybe the lbs concessions impede there hitting, meaning maybe they are more likely to be overpowered at the plate.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

I'm not convinced yet that Cititfield is a place where power hitters can consistently sustain power numbers. I get that Ike did it, and probably could do it at other parks, but I doubt Citi plays to his strengths, which means he and Flores might be about equal in what they can do in Queens. My suspicion though is, Flores might be able to thrive in the clutch, when healthy. Not saying Ike couldn't, but kind of looks like Queens plays more to Flore's strengths right now.

Peter Doucette
Peter Doucette

I cant be the only one who thinks this is a bad idea. To win ball games the team needs to be strong up the middle. Murphy already turns easy ground balls into infield singles because he plays to deep in the hole. With Flores on the other side this spells inflated ERAs and pissed off pitchers.

bigdirty
bigdirty

This could become an interesting situation. To win the Mets need to be built around pitching, defense and timely hitting. Wilmer could become a nice offensive option with an open spot on the diamond to play,  if he can just do the routine work good enough and hit, i dont mind giving him a shot. Howeber SS defense is probably more important than any other position.  


He might give as many runs as he gives up but for a young pitching staff being sure handed up teh middle is a must....interesting 



Muhammad Qureshi
Muhammad Qureshi

I love this idea, especially if his agility to move has improved. I Want to see him there last few innings of the 1st spr season game on feb 28.

William Joseph
William Joseph

if he makes the roster, it might be in a utility role, and it'd be nice to know he could handle SS for an inning or two now and then if needed,  also, its a little hint to Boras that they aren't about to hand Drew that insane 3 yr deal with the opt out after 1 yr.  I personally think Flores is a Miguel Cabrera type, a corner IF, maybe destined for the AL so he can do some DH'ing as well (along with most of the Mets first baseman.) After the SS experiment is over, i think they should send him to AAA and play him exclusively at first base and third base a little (to show his arm to potential trade partners)

bingmets
bingmets

If he can play at least half way decent defense at short I say you give him a shot. His bat would make this lineup a whole lot better

nolrog
nolrog

It's like we're in bizarro land.  Everyone is going to play out of position.  Duda in the OF, Ike at first, Satin at short.  What the hell, let Murphy catch, Wright play center, and Lagares pitch.  Why not.

Vic Scarpelli
Vic Scarpelli

He can hit but hard to think he will do well at ss

Joanie Yan
Joanie Yan

They wouldn't even let him play 2B in meaningless games last season - how do they think he can now play SS?

Eric Koeller
Eric Koeller

Now first off...its not a set in stone thing. Its an experiential thing in spring training, when last time i checked, the games don't count. Why not see what he can do 

Banned in MB
Banned in MB

So sick of stories about [insert AAAA} player getting a chance to play [insert non natural position]. We have had enough, it didn't work in 11, 12 and 13. Sign a real shortstop or first baseman or both.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

So because he played SS at A ball we should play him there. Do you people realize that Lagares also played SS in A ball. Should we play him at short? 

Come on people! The guy has stone hands and no range. Go look at his minor league numbers. Errors galore at SS! And that's the balls he could get to!

moep
moep

i will give flores the chance a ss just because he can hit

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

I don't mind Flores playing SS during ST but for the regular season....Hell no. You might as well play Duda at SS too.

Bud Britton
Bud Britton

Look, Ripken was 6'4"/ 225 so this line about his size is complete BS. If the guy gets to the balls he can, fields them cleanly and makes strong throws, it would be worth a watch. He was a SHORTSTOP that didn't project to the right body type...WTF does that even mean? With exceedingly limited options, let's see what the kid can do. What happens if he barely has range but doesn't make errors and absolutely rakes? It's not a bad worst case scenario until a better option becomes apparent...

Joseph Baffi
Joseph Baffi

I say put him at short I don't get when ppl say he a 2basemen or of when I played I could play very postion im sure the best players in the word can play a position I mean its ground balls

Muhammad Qureshi
Muhammad Qureshi

He certainly looks like Cabrera in the face, we can only wish he'll play like him.

SuperDuper
SuperDuper

@nolrog  

Mets can never have enough outfielders playing 2nd base. It's the reason our defense is so good (for the other team).

Steven Ruley
Steven Ruley

I hope you realize he's a top prospect not AAAA player, he was signed as a SS, he has been at fitness camp to get the speed back, and he can hit twice as good as our shortstop now (not saying mutch but I hope you get it) so stop talking.

mike23
mike23

@Tarheel11  whats the harm in giving him some opportunities to show what he can do, if he is that bad or looks horrible right away they at least know and we as fans know and we can all move on understanding that he just can't play but who knows maybe he surprises and does ok. 

jamets
jamets

Its not about size.  he's just not capable of playing SS.  Why is that so hard to accept? 

This decision was made 2 years ago. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Bud Britton  The Mets didn't think he could play SS in the minors and knew he didn't project as a major league SS,  or else they would have let him continue to play there.

jamets
jamets

I don't know of too many people saying he's a 2B either.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Joseph Baffi

The strength of this Mets team is pitching.  You don't want to weaken it by playing a bunch of hacks out on the field who aren't capable of playing the most important positions like SS.at the major league level.

Banned in MB
Banned in MB

@Eric Koeller @Banned in MB  stop what exactly, living in reality? He can barely play 3rd, now you think he is going to lose 10 pounds and suddenly play shortstop (probably the most important infield position).  They were thinking of moving him to first, but most scouts said that was a gamble.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@mike23 @Tarheel11  My point is the people here who are thinking Flores is going to be the starting shortstop! That is not going to happen! They are only looking at him to play there as a Turner type player. To think otherwise is just plain stupid. 

The guy was moved at A ball! The minors are full of guys who move from SS to another position because they are not good enough. For a reason! If he could have been anything passable at all, they would have kept him there until AAA or at least AA! But to have moved him in A ball tells you he couldn't hack it. He'd be a guy with 30+ errors a year on the balls he could get to, let alone how many he wouldn't get to. For a guy who might hit .280 with maybe 20HR's? Go sell that to your pitching staff! And with Murphy already at 2b? 


SuperDuper
SuperDuper

@mike23 @Tarheel11 

If you want to see the harm, look at Murphy, Duda, Jacobs or even Reyes when he switched to 2B. It takes growing pains to learn a new position. Not saying it can't be done but it will take growing pains and errors to learn. Mets have consistently switched people in and out of different positions which is why the Mets defense has been bad the last few yrs. Stop jerking them around. Let them learn a position and own it. No defense is great when you are playing musical chairs with your players. You need great defense to build a competitive solid team. Murphy is a good hitter but a liability on the filed. He would be a more effective player in the DH role. If the Mets need a 2nd baseman, get a 2nd baseman. Stop trying to fill the role with an outfielder.

jamets
jamets

@mike23 @Tarheel11  There's no harm.  But he already spent 4 years playing SS for the in the minors.  The Mets already know what he can and can't do there. I don't see why another couple of games in spring training would or should change anything.

Should the Mets really give him a shot at SS just for the fans who didn't get a chance to see him in the minors?

Bud Britton
Bud Britton

@jamets because you've seen him play the position and you are a scout for who?


The decision was made to clear a path or maximize his trade value. Until Madoff, they were grooming this kid as a big trade chip.

Chapter 7
Chapter 7

Just wondering what it's based on is all. Like I said, mets aren't batting 1.000 with the judgement calls.

Chapter 7
Chapter 7

Wouldn't be the first time the mets made a bad judgement. Hanley, Jeter, ARod, where all bigger SS.

Worth a shot. Only thing I know about his fielding are what they say about what he projects to be. Does anybody know if he at least has good hands?

Bud Britton
Bud Britton

@bklyndude @Bud BrittonDon't forget that they started this noise when Jose was still around and before Madoff. Second, outside of pitching, what confidence do you have in met player evaluation and development. If he's a bust, I get it, but fill the holes you need to fill and if the kid rakes, play him. It's not like this lineup is good enough that they shouldn't try it...

Steven Ruley
Steven Ruley

No it's just shows he wants to get better and he see what his biggest weakness was and according to Duda worked harder at it then any of them and got faster. Also I take you never ran in track cause I have and in a month of middle school track I have seen kids get faster. I think a professional athlete can.

jamets
jamets

First, you are flat out wrong.  Flores was moved off of SS because he wasn't good enough to play there.  Period.  If you can find me even a single scouting report or quote from anyone saying otherwise, I would love to see it.

Second, your theory doesn't even make sense.  If they wanted to maximize his trade value, THEY WOULD HAVE LEFT HIM AT SS.  A SS who can hit has more value than a 3B or 2B.  But he's not a SS.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Bud Britton @jamets

The decision was made to clear a path or maximize his trade value.

You think moving him from SS was to maximize his trade value ?

On what planet do you people live.

jamets
jamets

He played SS for 4 years and EVERY scouting report ever written about him agreed he had to move to a different position.

It is nearly impossible to get every scourtto agree on anything.  But Flores they agreed on. 

Juan Contreras
Juan Contreras

@Chapter 7  when he had a look at second, everyone said he had soft hands, limited range and a strong arm. given his increased range after the camp, perhaps his arm can make up some plays on the unbalanced throws on those hard balls away

shaun
shaun

@Biggie @bklyndude  Biggie Biggie Biggie, can't you tell? sometimes the guy don't play the 6 well.

SuperDuper
SuperDuper

@Biggie @bklyndude 

That was Tejada and it didn't work. Instead of learning and owning one position, he can now play 2 position but none very well. If you need a SS, get a SS. stop converting players. It just slows their growth on defense. Also, this is the majors. learning a new position should happen in the minor leagues. So by the time they reach the Majors, they already have their role. How good can his defense be learning a new or old position in a couple months. there will be errors before he can be solid.

jamets
jamets

That's ridiculous.  It had nothing to do with Reyes.  He just can't play SS.