Wilmer Flores (Baron)

Wilmer Flores will get time at 2B, 3B and SS

Terry Collins said he will take a long look at Wilmer Flores at second, third and shortstop in spring training (Kernan, Feb. 4).

“There’s a lot of potential there and this is the time to see it,’’ Collins said.

Flores was among a group of seven Mets who participated in an offseason strength, conditioning and nutrition program in Michigan this winter.

“The work that they have done on speed and agility and quickness, etc., may have an impact on his ability to play certain positions,” Sandy Alderson said last week (DiComo, Jan. 30).

Flores played shortstop in 2011 with Single-A St. Lucie, but later moved to third and second base.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

To make the Mets, he’s going to have to win a spot as a backup infielder capable of playing all four infield positions and I’m not sure he’s capable of that. To Alderson’s point, though, I’m basing that on what we’ve seen of him prior to this winter. Who knows, maybe he’s literally in the best shape of his life? Maybe he now has reflexes like Spiderman? We’ll see… I mean, as Toby Hyde said on MMiLB, “If the Mets thought Flores could play shortstop at all, they would have played him there at some point in the last two years.”

In the end, I still think he will end up getting the bulk of his at bats at first and second base with Triple-A Las Vegas.




74 comments
cmetsfan
cmetsfan

It's like who cares if the Mets play themselves every day in ST, find out what they have and minimize what opposing teams learn on the mets early on.

openmind6
openmind6

Fascinating, when really he should be playing first base.

Tommy JongHo Kim
Tommy JongHo Kim

If he can play SS. I'll take him over Drews bat. But that's extremely unlikely

Michael Jankowski
Michael Jankowski

I still belive move Wright to first and flores to 3rd would make the offense better then duda nd davis ay first

Beamen321
Beamen321

My question is how far was Flores from having serviceable range at 2nd (and to an extent SS). If he was a half step too slow to play second and then he gets into great shape, then yes I can see that making a huge difference. If he was 2 steps too slow then there is no amount of training that can be done to overcome that. I personally don't think he is that far off from having enough range to play 2nd in the big leagues. There are plenty of guys that play 2nd without having much range (Murphy and Jeff Kent to name a couple) but have enough bat to warrant them being in the lineup.

nthmetsfan
nthmetsfan

They do need a LH bat at 1B, so I can understand giving Duda and Davis first crack.  They also have Satin for 1B, 2B, and 3B in a utility role, so I'm not sure what that leaves for Flores.  That being said, I like what I have seen of him as a hitter, and he may be their best bet long term at 1B.  However, that would make the Mets a righthanded lineup with Murphy and Granderson as the only LH starters.  I can't see him being effective defensively as a middle infielder.  It's kind of like when Davey used Kevin Mitchell at SS on occasion, but the team was so good, they could get away with it back then.  Why does it always seem that the Mets try to fit a square peg in a round hole?  Flores is 1B/3B.

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

Those are three positions where the Mets have had a ton of injuries in the last few years. He'll probably get a fair amount of chances during the year.

Ricardo Ronda
Ricardo Ronda

Why so much hate on this kid? Has anyone ever heard of Kevin MItchell?  The kid can hit, Dude Ike Satin... bums

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

At 22, he's projected to go back to Las Vegas?  If the Mets have no real infield depth, and they aren't willing to spend for infield depth, why send this guy back to AAA?  It's not like they're going to screw up his swing like Ike Davis...or are they?

getalife
getalife

I feel like Flores could be an Allen Craig type player...  Someone who doesn't necessarily hit a lot of HR but comes through in RBI situations.  I'd take .280, 20 HR and 90+ RBI at first base any day.  In his limited time up at the majors, Flores has already shown a propensity to drive in runs.

gloveman
gloveman

he's 21 years old and people here are ready to give up on him based on what has been reported and what they saw of him with two sprained ankles. The guy I saw found a way to drive in a guy on base more often than not, even with bad ankles. This kid (and I mean kid) deserves a shot at an every day job, not as a bench guy.

mets2014
mets2014

at this point flores is best served as the backup middle infielder...he can provide a power bat off the bench and can start if the need arises

qualcomm
qualcomm

why backup?  if he can field somewhere other than 3B, he should be starting. 

Vin Santiago
Vin Santiago

Everyone says this guy isn't even good enough with the glove to play first.  He's too slow to play the middle infield.  He's too slow to play the outfield.  That is what the scouts have said.  The guy can hit or we assume he can hit.  This is where I give up on Flores.  Trade him.  

rubiconx0
rubiconx0

i unfortunately think that Flores is just a very good minor league hitter and not much else? i hope i am wrong?

Lon Samuelson
Lon Samuelson

If Wilmer hits like he has throughout the minor league system then they have to find a spot for him. Dan Uggla is brutal defensively but his bat makes him an everyday player

RockMarz
RockMarz

let david wright play some right field and catcher too


Born2Fish74
Born2Fish74

Mets fan since 85 here. So another words Flores has no position. SMH at this org. The Wilpons won't ( or cant) spend i get that but what i think is an even bigger disappointment is the lack of creativity and trades made by Sandy. He did fine with the Beltran and Dickey deals but I've really been expecting a lot more trades, after all he has been GM for a few years now. Like how about packaging a few players to fill a need long term, for example Gee, Davis Flores or some combination for a young up and coming SS that can be here for the long haul and lock down that position. How about a minor league arm with upside and potential to be at least decent in majors for a minor league bat with same upside? 

rkj473
rkj473

All this while giving Tejada the starting SS position.

sell
sell

Why not give Drew two years?  There is no chance it could backfire.  Everyone can shut up about Hanley Ramirez, anyone with a clue knows he won't be a Met.  Asdrubal Cabrerea?  nahh.


Drew doesn't make us playoff contenders, but he makes us a respectable, competitive team, for a low cost and not many years.  C young, Murphy, Wright, Granderson, Ike, Drew, TdA, Lagares.  Looks a lot better than with Tejada in there... $8 million better.

The Cat in the Hat
The Cat in the Hat

@flmetsfan Dave Hudgens and the Mets messed his swing up big time. I believe they are the ones who ruined him. I'm a big fan of Ike and believe with the right help and some "maturity" on his part he will but up 30HR 100RBI

mets2014
mets2014

@getalife doesn't look like he is going to get a shot at 1B...they will be giving all of those opportunities to duda and davis

The Cat in the Hat
The Cat in the Hat

@mets2014 How is 22yr prospect who hit .321BA 15HR in AAA and over a 100 rbi's between both levels a backup infielder?

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Vin Santiago  Exactly! There's a reason he was moved off of SS at A ball! Problem is everybody else knows that too 

zoddie
zoddie

@rubiconx0 He's probably a good major league hitter, too.  He just needs to find a position to play in the bigs.

zoddie
zoddie

@RockMarz  He should also pitch in middle relief and work checkout at Shake Shack.

zoddie
zoddie

@Born2Fish74 (PS4) Sandy didn't do "fine" with the Beltran and Dickey trades.  He did REALLY well in flipping a couple of months of Beltran into a stud prospect in Wheeler.  And the Dickey trade was even better.  That may go down as one of the best baseball trades in 20 years.


As for the other guys, it is too early to trade Gee.  Montero isn't ready.  Harvey is hurt.  Syndergaard isn't ready.  He shopped Ike.  No one wanted him.  Flores hasn't shown he can hit in the majors just yet.  I think he will, but a guy that hasn't proven his bat and can't play in the field isn't going to have much value.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Born2Fish74 (PS4)  It's not that easy. Other teams don't want 3 or 4 garbage players. Fans make me laugh saying to basically package 4 or 5 mediocre guys and get a stud. It doesn't work that way! Other teams want quality, not quantity. In the current market, teams are putting a premium on their own prospects. To get anything worthwhile you are going to have to start with a Wheeler or Syndergaard. You really want to do that? Gee is a 4/5 starter and Davis could be cut in ST and Flores has plenty of issues. So what do yo really think they are going to get for all of that? 

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@The Cat in the Hat @mets2014  Because he has no position. The AAA stats were at Las Vegas which greatly inflates the numbers. Even with those numbers he's a career .290 hitter in the minors. I'm not saying he's bad but too many people make him out to be a top five prospect which he's not. He's a bad defensive ballplayer

mets2014
mets2014

@The Cat in the Hat @mets2014 I said at this point...meaning to open the season...would rather have his bat coming off the bench than Quintanilla...not speaking about his long term future

Lon Samuelson
Lon Samuelson

@dannym28 @Lon Samuelson  So for the better part of a decade Uggla was a key contributor to the World Series Marlins team & NL contender Braves. I would take that in a heartbeat

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@zoddie @Born2Fish74 (PS4)  Could not agree more about the trades. The Dickey deal was a steal and I don't think SA gets enough credit for that. If, big word I know, but that deal is shaping out to be certainly one of the best

The Cat in the Hat
The Cat in the Hat

@Tarheel11 @selldrew is not a player the mets should invest their limited funds in a multi year deal. 1 year and reasonable money he would help. Anything more is not worth it.

personman
personman

@Nicholas Vargas  Not a bad idea, but I think out of everyone in the system (near the majors), Flores is the most likely to turn into someone who can hold down first.


At least until Dom Smith comes up.

Brenton Corriveau
Brenton Corriveau

He's always been a high RBI guy. Even in his worse minor league season he had a ton of rbis

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@The Cat in the Hat @Tarheel11 @mets2014  Don't get me wrong, I like the kid. But he has some serious holes in his game. Defensively to me he's probably best suited for a corner, more so third. But I'd still like him to play everyday in the minors than sit and fill in here. 

The Cat in the Hat
The Cat in the Hat

@Tarheel11 @The Cat in the Hat@mets2014When Flores was healthy in the majors last season what kind of player did he look like to you? I saw a clutch player who can hit and has the ability to constantly drive in runs. Everybody is looking for the perfect player but this kid can flat out hit and he is young. We need a couple guys on this team who can flat out hit. He is one of them.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@The Cat in the Hat @mets2014  Making that kid sit here would be doing him a major disservice! At least get him down in LV playing every day. Who knows, he may end up being trade bait

The Cat in the Hat
The Cat in the Hat

@mets2014 Flores needs to play everyday. If he somehow wins a job in spring training he will be in the MLB if not he will play in AAA or he will be traded. Flores could be ready this year and maybe some other GM will see that and pull the trigger on something.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Lon Samuelson @dannym28  You could live with the .250 average and horrible glove when he was hitting 32+ HR's. You can't live with that glove when he's hitting .179 and only 22HR's. Flores doesn't project to be a 25HR guy let alone a 30 HR guy, more like 15 or so at best. He should hit for a higher average but more like a 270 range. Basically he's Daniel Murphy lite