Wilmer Flores (Baron)

Wilmer Flores named the 10th-best 2B prospect in MLB

Mets infielder Wilmer Flores is the 10th-best second base prospect in baseball, according to a recent list from MiLB.com.

In 2013, the 22-year-old infielder hit just .211 with six extra base hits during 101 plate appearances, despite batting .321 with 15 HR and 36 doubles earlier in the year at Triple-A.

Flores began his professional career at shortstop and eventually moved to third base. He will get most of his time at second base in 2014, assuming he’s not on the big-league roster, the team said during an online chat with fans on Twitter.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Flores is known for his bat. MLB talent evaluators that I’ve talked with say he’s capable of being at least a .270 hitter with 15 to 20 home runs in the big leagues. His fielding is what holds him down, though. The problem with trading him is that most teams already have a few all-hit, no-field prospects in the upper-levels of their system. It’s a common problem, much worse for teams in the National League.

Naturally, he hit well in Venezuelan Winter League, where he also made a few errors in just a handful of games at second and third base. I’ve seen reports indicating he’s working on his agility and foot speed. I’ll believe he’s improved when I see him. He’s a big, blocky athlete who — at just 22 — is probably going to get bigger and stronger as he grows up. I hope he sticks at second, because his bat would have extra value there. Nevertheless, I still see Wilmer’s future either at first base for the Mets or on another team’s roster.


Mets 2B prospect Dilson Herrera, who the Mets acquired from the Pirates last summer, did not make MiLB.com’s list.

73 comments
cmetsfan
cmetsfan

I understand Ike gives you power and better defense if he's healthy, but he's also far enough into his contract where if he's good the next 2-3 years, maybe you can't afford him in free agency. Then in addition to that there's the kid in the minors who's said to be about two years away.


So is it more interesting to have 2 more years of Davis finding himself, to potentially lose him, or two to three years of finding out what Flores is?


Personally, given the difficulty  of hitting home runs in Citi, the prospect of Flores being the first baseman equivalent of Murphy, doesn't bother me, even if the power doesn't come along enough for a typical modern first baseman.


But the kicker to me is, replacing a first baseman shouldn't be as hard as replacing a short stop, so even if Flores were to be a bust, you'd think there's somebody decent in the minors, or even the outlandish idea that Wright should be able to step in until our big first base prospect's time has arrived .  

Kyle Munroe
Kyle Munroe

Can satin play short? If so we should move him there.. I would much rather satin then tejada. This will allow us to put Flores at 1st and get rid of the other scrap metal over at 1st. An infield of wright, satin, murph and Flores is probably the best offensive configuration for our infield but defensively it's probably the worst configuration.

robbie
robbie

The Mets should let Flores compete for the First Base Job. He doesn't get scared at the plate like Duda does in RBI situations. He hits the ball to all fields unlike Ike. He got a live bat unlike Satin. Why waste a platoon with Ike/Duda/Satin where Flores can Flourish by himself. Now if Murph gets traded than you have EYJ play 2nd and that takes care of our leadoff problem. Although I think Lagares could easily be our leadoff hitter with better pitch recognition, which he showed in winter ball.

sell
sell

The question becomes Murphy or Flores? Wilmer will start in AAA at 2nd because Ike or Duda will be at 1b, and he needs to play everyday. We could shop murph at the deadline if Flores looks to be pushing for a starting job. Or, we could shop Flores...

Murph has become a 2b on most teams by now since his bat has more value there than third or first. Flores doesn't quite project to be a real slugger first baseman and probably has most value at third bc of limited range.

Erwin Scott Ruerup
Erwin Scott Ruerup

Everyone lambasted Murphy that he would never be able play 2nd base so let's give the kid a chance. He has more power and a good bat. Give him time in 3A under Backman to learn the position. Then maybe we can get something good for Murph or him in a trade.

mrxman
mrxman

its funny to me that i have not seen this said maybe because mr david wright is a saint on this site, but for the short time i saw this kid at third he is not a better fielder than wright but he has a better arm

Metsnow
Metsnow

His only spot would be 1B.....and quite frankly we have no one there now so why not give him a shot. Duda is terrible, so un-athletic and inconsistent at the plate. He looks so awkward playing and defensive position. Not someone I would feel comfortable going to war with. Ike might have a chance to win the job in ST but highly unlikely bases off of his disaster last year.

11gilkey
11gilkey

How come when someone responds to one of my comments, I don't receive an email?

eric88
eric88

He should be at 1B everyday, period. First You have move all the scrap that's there now

Beamen321
Beamen321

I remember when everyone was saying Murphy was too slow to be an everyday 2nd basemen. The fact of the matter is that you don't need to be a very good fielder to play second base in today's game. The Mets will find a taker for Murphy at midseason and move Flores into an everyday role. It might not be pretty at first but his bat will more then makeup for any deficiencies in the field. 

eric88
eric88

Mets move Murphy by July and bring up Flores.

MMIAA
MMIAA

Flores will never play 2B every day in MLB.

dannym28
dannym28

Kid has an Arm and can hit ill say that. 

Jacob Anthony Moses
Jacob Anthony Moses

I don't get why he keeps getting put at first base in the end.  Dom Smith looks like our future first baseman and it should be kept that way, Why create another log jam at first?

Zach Ripple
Zach Ripple

Flores is likely the replacement for Murphy down the road. Murphy is 2 years from free agency, and there is a chance he isn't brought back on one of those "2nd generation contracts." Flores could ultimately be a trade chip when (hopefully) Dom Smith and Dilson Herrera are manning the right side of the infield, but he has a chance to play in the meantime, especially if Davis/Duda doesn't work out.

mets1988
mets1988

Wilmer Flores can hit if it wasnt for the ankle injury he suffered against the dodgers he would have had like 50 rbi wilmer "the rbi machine" flores

Poop-a-doodle-doo!
Poop-a-doodle-doo!

Why isn't there much talk of Lagares this off season?  According to some in here he is already an All-Star.

nagel100
nagel100

he has no position on the Mets and should be part of a deal.  If someone wants a first baseman the trade them Davis or Duda  ( their choice) and add in Flores and a prospect for a major league reliever.   He has no value to NY.  He is a third baseman and he is blocked.

zoddie
zoddie

I'm not opposed to Wilmer getting at bats at first, but Duda does not "get scared" in RBI situations.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

I agree, have a all out competition w duda Ike and satin, can def make a decent platoon out of that or maybe someone steps up and takes the position. Not one of these guys should be handed the job but all should have an equal shot at the job.

AJ
AJ

Patience has to be weighing thin with Ike, but 32 HR - 27 of which over 3.5 months - two years ago makes you do crazy things. With his price tag and potential, Ike still needs to be given every opportunity to win the job full time. Even if it means suffering through April and May. Flores has time... but his time is not now.

AJ
AJ

Nay.

AJ
AJ

I'd rather have Murphy if the Mets become a contender. Which is realistic more so in 2015 than now.

AJ
AJ

Agreed.

AJ
AJ

Dom Smith is 3 years away from a cup of coffee. He could easily fizzle out at AA before that even happens. You're the product of what baseball has created with their young stars. Not necessarily a negative thing, but people need to realize that most players will not spend fewer than 4-5 years in the system before being considered for the pro team.

Ryan Flanagan
Ryan Flanagan

@Jacob Anthony Moses I don't get why moving him around is just not at all possible. Why is it assumed he can only play one position forever. He's already played 3B, SS, 2B, 1B and OF in his minor/major league career. He'll never be a perennial gold glover, but hes good enough and his bat will warrant the rest. Find a spot for this guy already!

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@Sentimental Steve Cause people like to jump the gun and think he's an allstar based on what half a season or so? Hes good defensively so far but offensively he can't hit 

dannym28
dannym28

@nagel100 Ill trade Davis and Duda over this guy. He is a true hitter we would be idiots to trade him over Davis and especially Duda.

AJ
AJ

Yeah I was hoping I wasn't the only one who didn't see why that mattered?

Beamen321
Beamen321

@Vin Santiago @Beamen321 He very well might be slower then Ike from first to third but that doesn't really matter for fielding as second baseman. It's more about the short area quickness and how fast can you move 15 feet left or right. I don't think Flores will be a plus fielder by any means. But I think even if he's a below average fielder his bat will carry him. Ideally, I see him profiling as a Jeff Kent type player.

zoddie
zoddie

@Ryan Flanagan@Jacob Anthony MosesHe hasn't played OF ever.  There's also a big difference between "not a gold glover" and "completely unplayable."  He's completely unplayable at SS.  He can probably handle 3b somewhat poorly.  The question is 2b.  If he can be merely below average, that may be good enough.


Problem is, Murphy has proved himself to be a league average 2b and he rarely gets hurt.  Wright has 3b all to himself.  Mets already have Duda/Davis + Satin at 1b as a full-time platoon.  So where does he get at bats in the next couple of years?

zoddie
zoddie

@dannym28@Jacob Anthony Mosesat LEAST.  The kid was just in the rookie leagues.  Not even short-season A ball (Brooklyn).  He's 18 and has under 175 professional ABs.

mets2014
mets2014

@Steven Matregrano@Sentimental Steve I hope I am wrong, but I think he will be endy chavez like, which isn't the worst thing in the world, but we saw what happened to endy when he played regularly...his offense was exposed

Shawn M. Milburn
Shawn M. Milburn

Really? Has he hit 30 hrs and drive in 90 in a season? Or play Gold Glove caliber defense? Ike also hit great his first half season on Mets compared to the mediocrity of Flores first half season. Just saying, Ike is much better and Duda is really not good but still better

Vin Santiago
Vin Santiago

@Beamen321 I think you are forgetting how great a hitter Jeff Kent was.  Why would I take .270 with 15-20 home runs out of Flores, if you can get a higher average, slightly better D, more walks and a more athlethic Murphy who is also capable of hitting 15 home runs and driving in 80 RBI and is also a bit of a threat on the basepaths with 23 swipes last year?  I get Flores is younger and has a ton of potential but, removing Murphy from the infield right now means you are downgrading at a position that could be seen as a strength otherwise. 

shinjoooo
shinjoooo

That's quite a lofty expectation, no?

zoddie
zoddie

@MMIAA@zoddie@Ryan Flanagan@Jacob Anthony MosesDo you mean offensive, defensively, or both?  Perhaps I was being too nice to Murphy defensively, but both to our eyes and advanced stats, he is merely below average instead of terrible.  And offensively he is very good for a 2b.


Add it all up and he's an above average player that doesn't make a ton of money.  In fact, other than Matt Carpenter and an aging Chase Utley, who in the NL is clearly better than Murphy?

zoddie
zoddie

@Jacob Anthony Moses@dannym28Championship teams are not made by waiting 3 years for an 18 year old kid to hopefully develop into a major league player.  


Ask the Red Sox how important stability is.  They turned over half their roster from 2012 and won the Series in 2013.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@mets2014 @Steven Matregrano @Sentimental Steve

Problem is the Mets lineup is so weak it can't afford to carry a guy like that on a regular basis.  Currently Davis and Tejada are huge burdens on the others and now we are going to have the Youngs in the outfield.  Too many one or zero dimensional players.