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Wilmer Flores sent to minor-league camp with den Dekker & Nieuwenhuis

Wilmer Flores, Matt den Dekker, Kirk Nieuwenhuis and Zach Lutz were reassigned to minor-league camp Monday morning.

“I feel good,” Flores later told reporters. “I did a great job. I’ll just wait for the opportunity to come again.”

Flores, 22, started four Grapefruit League games at shortstop. He hit .238 in 42 at bats this spring.

“I’ll go to Vegas and play some more short,” he said. “I don’t know how much, but I know I’m going to play short.”

Ruben Tejada, Omar Quintanilla and Anthony Seratelli are the only remaining shortstops in big-league camp.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

I doubted Wilmer’s ability to ever play shortstop. However, seeing him this spring, after an offseason of working on speed, agility and footwork, I’m sold on him getting more time to learn the position in Triple-A. He’s going to hit. There are experts who feel he could one day hit like Edgardo Alfonzo, especially given his poise in late-and-close situations. He will never been as good of a defensive infielder, but he’s shown he can play decent enough given his potential at the plate. I still think a nice .300, 10 home run season is totally within range for him over the next couple of years, which would make him a valuable shortstop until he outgrows the position.

Basically, I was pleasantly surprised by him this spring and I look forward to continuing to watch him develop.




235 comments
David Collazo
David Collazo

Like I said in the offseason. A last place finish in the division.

Bill Vanwormer
Bill Vanwormer

they just sent out most of the players who've been driving in their SA runs of late

Shawn Mike Rolli
Shawn Mike Rolli

Tejada should be the ball boy or hall way security officer lol

Michael Milne
Michael Milne

This organization is run horribly, how can you not just plug Flores at SS on opening day, he showed he can handle the position fairly well and would improve with time there. Bad call by mets, no reason Tejada or Q should be at SS over Flores.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Read between the lines: Tejada and Quintanilla at SS for at least a month--probably longer. It's obvious that management has no confidence in Flores at that position. This is going to be a moribund team to watch. Just wish they could make better use of those quadruple A guys like Kirk, Matt and Zach.

nncyel
nncyel

In 2012 the Mets moved Flores from SS to 3rd. Why? David Wright was a free agent after the 2012 season. If he had walked, Flores would've become the Mets 3B. And half the blog would be screeching about how inept the Mets FO is for letting their best player go and replacing him with a good, but unproven player - almost certainly not the star that David Wright is. 


When Wright re-signed, they moved Flores from 3B to 2b. Why? obviously he had no future as a 3B with the Mets. And 2B was occupied by Murphy who was having injury issues and questions about whether he could play the position or not. Curiously they did not move him back to SS. Why? According to 3/4 of the posters, because the Mets FO is incompetent. Perhaps. But it seems more likely that they thought he could play 2B defensively but wasn't so hot at SS. That's not so hard to determine.


The point I'm trying to make is that these decisions aren't made in a vacuum. The Mets FO had the foresight to have their 3B in case Wright walked. It didn't work out for Flores. Murphy ended up taking control of 2B - it didn't work out for Flores. It's not that the Mets FO is trying to moronically suppress a great player in Flores, but they now have to decide. Do we play Flores at SS, his third best defensive position and lose defense, or do we play Tejada there and lose offense? It's an interesting debate and why there are different opinions. But a decision had to be made. Familiarity breeds contempt, and fans are contemptuous of Tejada. We haven't had a chance to be contemptuous over Flores defense at SS, so to some it seems an easy decision and the Mets made the wrong one. I think they made the right one because most teams value defense over offense at that position.

beers22
beers22

he's 22 and needs to relearn SS, so we actually have a SS.  Makes sense to me.  And I don't know if we can be sure that he's going to "outgrow" his position.  He's 22 now, not 17.  The fact is 3b is his best position, but it looks like scouts may have been wrong about him filling out/becoming too slow to begin with, and he may be a serviceable SS in the field.

Rodney Shoham
Rodney Shoham

Give Flores more time at ss then up by may 1st

BadContract
BadContract

Collins will now punt on third downs.

Bud Britton
Bud Britton

I am going to keep voting with my wallet. Never been in Citi, and maybe never will at this rate. Why this team saves their bullets for next years battle, every year, is beyond me.

Brandon Hillman
Brandon Hillman

If this team can give Tejada time at short, they can give lagares a shot a lead off. Not a burner but fast enough. Will steal you 15 to 20 over the course of the year. Looked like in Spring Training he was trying to run more. Would like to see this lineup when they finally send tejada to bench...


1 CF Lagares

2 2B Murphy

3 3b Wright

4 RF Granderson

5 LF CY

6 1B Duda or Davis, one goes to AAA if not staring (Satin VS LP)

7 SS Flores 

8 C d'Arnaud 

9 Pithcer 


Lineup can have moving parts as well. Flores can move up to 2 and everyone drops down one. Also if players that are questions marks are not producing (Looking at you Davis Duda.) But think this is a good base and everyone is in there correct fielding position. Bench of Recker, tejada, Satin, EYJ, Capt-K. (rather have MDD in AAA getting regular at bats. He is my first call up with Puello. MDD for early season injury, puello or MDD later on in year who ever is playing better. LIke Brown as well on bench but wanted another lefty bat for balance. If Q-man is back up middle infielder, send down Nieuwenhuis and use brown. 

ny12jets
ny12jets

I actually think Andrew Brown is a good addition to the team off the bench. 

Doubleday
Doubleday

Flores, Campbell, Lutz, den Dekker, Newenheis, Teagarten, Centrino, Syndegaard, Montero ... Wally must be salivating at his roster. If the Mets don't win in April and May, Backman and half his team could find themselves in Flushing.

williedd
williedd

The usual win later, much later, mentality. This team will carry two or three position players on the bench who are helpless. Over the weekend Flores pulled a 101 mph fastball into left field for a single. There are at least three players slated for the bench who would be fortunate to foul tip a 101mph fastball. Welcome to Citi Field-Davis, Duda, Tejada, Quintanilla, and Brown! More of the same, 75 wins with this crew in tow. Add Dice-k and Valverde to the list and my stomach is begining to churn. Payroll flexibility in deed.

ny12jets
ny12jets

Clueless, Clueless, Clueless.  Bring the guy up and let him play ball.  We need hitting and this guy hits.  What a shame.  Don't be surprised if Mejia is sent down.  Was thinking about openning day tix, now I'm not even taking off work. 

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

Flores is probably the 4th best offensive player on this team. For a team that sobs about a lack of offensive fire power, they sure like to shoot themselves in the foot quite often. I felt like the team was part of my family in 2006, and now i hope for my own players to get traded so they can get a fair shot at a big league career. What have these people done to our beloved team? 

Brandon Hillman
Brandon Hillman

Not reading through 170 plus comments to see if someone else figured it out but this looks like small market ball again. Flores showed enough range to play short. His bat is legit and he hits with men on. Nothing left to prove at AAA. Winning teams would have him up with big club and let him start at ss during ST every other day for reps. Like they did with Murphy when the team wanted him there. But here comes the X Factor with Sandy/Wilson's mets. Abritration. Last year Flores got 101 plate appearances. Most at bats came after roster expansion. Still a rookie and does not have a full year of mlb service. So... If they don't bring him up till the end of April the team will not loose a year of Abritration. They won't hold off till july to extend him a year, but they will wait three weeks to not accelerate him. He will get three weeks of reps in AAA which he should have gotten in spring training. Tejada will flounder and he will be called up.

Adam Porte
Adam Porte

I know most of the attention is on the decision to send down Flores, but I am disappointed for den Dekker. I think he's a young player with a huge amount of potential if he can stay fit. I'm not sure where he fits in the lineup though.

tw22
tw22

He is the best young major league ready bat we have and we're sticking him in triple A. That's a punt, no question. Sending Thor down, was a punt. They are wasting what is left of Granderson and another year of a prime Wright to punt. WTF!

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

Think he still showed promise, even at both mobility requiring positions he played in during spring and at the plate despite the weight he's maintaining to try SS. I like his quote too. 

Darrell Smith
Darrell Smith

This kid to me. can hit and for a team that needs hitters , this makes little or no sense. What's to prove by sending him back to Lost Wages ? 

greekgod
greekgod

Its hard to support the team when they don't win or intend to win and have ticket prices are above what they should be. Its not worth it. I'm staying home and watch it on tv.

Justin Casale
Justin Casale

Did cerrone predict a 300 avg and 10 hr for Flores in the next couple of years? Dude. He's not that type of hitter whatsoever. He'll hit 275-280 and smack 20 homers. Check out his minor league stats at every level. This guy can rake and needs to be in the lineup regardless of defense at short. He's probably better defensively than quintenilla right now!

Also, if matsuzaka wins the 5th spot over mejia, something is wrong. Mejia has proved himself in the big leagues already and has the potential to be a top 3 of the rotation pitcher. Why are we giving opportunities to over the hill triple a pitchers like dicek? We're supposed to be rebuilding and finding out which of our youngsters can contribute.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

It's hard to play in the National Baseball League if you don't have a position.  Flores is another AAAA player.  Good eye at the plate but a little lead footed in the field.  The Mets had a player for a brief time during the 1960s named Dick Stuart.  Good bat, couldn't field.  They called him "Doctor Strangeglove".  I believe Flores is his grand-love child.  Fortunately their is a place for Flores, it's called the American League.  He could be the next Edgar Martinez.  They should try to trade him. They might actually get something back.

DMMP
DMMP

@doubleday  I'd love if Collins was out and Backman was in.  At least Backman isn't stupid...

Thomas McKeever
Thomas McKeever

@williedd if dice-k is on this team over Mejia, I'll eat my hat*





*I won't actually consume any hats

Thomas McKeever
Thomas McKeever

@Zach GoeringerI feel the same way.  What do you think of this lineup?

C. Young

Murph

DW

Grandy

Flores (assuming its May and he's up with the team)

Ike

TDA

Pitcher

Lagares

cactus
cactus

@Brandon Hillman sorry, but big market teams wouldn't consider flores at ss.  putting him at ss is already a small ball move.

Joseph DeFazio
Joseph DeFazio

@greekgod  It was interesting yesterday watching the Braves v. Mets game and the announcers for the Braves were discussing how the Mets Front Office is looking to next year, and chalking up this year as another 75 win season, with the hope that we can somehow get to .500.  Point being, it's obvious to those even outside the Mets fan base that they had no intention of getting aggressive this year and trying to win. 

tw22
tw22

@Justin Casale The dude will hit for more power early and average + power later. He really reminds me of Miguel Cabrera when he was the same age.

anymos
anymos

@Macacawitz If he shows he can hit like Edgar Martinez, they'll find a place for him in the field.  We do have a gaping hole a first base right now...

nncyel
nncyel

@Macacawitz Nice post. I don't remember Stuart, but my memory only goes back to the '68 team. I think within a year they will make that decision - trade Murphy or Flores. Not happening this year. 


He does have a position though, 3B. It's where he was mostly playing until last year when they moved him to 2B, probably once they knew David Wright was staying with the team. 2B became his only route to the big leagues on the Mets.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@Thomas McKeever @Zach Goeringer  I like it. Im not that huge on Chris Young as a leadoff hitter given his inability to get on base throughout his career. But I'd much rather have CY leading off with Lagares starting than have EYJ starting with the same obp woes and Lagares's glove on the bench. 

helloboy
helloboy

@Thomas McKeever @Zach Goeringer  I will not agree with any lineup that has a pitcher hitting 8th.  Not a fan of it.   6 &7 in the order may not be that good either.   I would rather Lagares lead off and put C Young 5th and move everyone else down.  Against lefties this would be ok (minus Davis) Youngs OBP against righties is questionable to lead him off, batting him 5th still can take advantage of his pop as he will still hit HR against righties.


I would lead off murphy.  He even has surprising ability to steal if he gets a single. 


Murphy

Flores

DW

Granderson

C Young

Davis/Satin

Lagares

TDA

Pitcher


This is how I would roll. I want Flores in front of Wright as he can be dangerous there with DW and Grandy behind him.

Dave Kaye
Dave Kaye

Mets are always looking to next year it seems. Always some bs excuse.

helloboy
helloboy

@Joseph DeFazio @greekgod  I would agree, but i think it is a long term punt.  We still need an elite OF bat (we have a few good ones, but nothing elite) and we still need a legit 1B power guy and some decision on SS with someone not named Tejada. Our BP is still suspect also.  


We will not contend next year, because Harvey will only be worth 4 more wins or so.  The offense will still need major infusions which will not be done.  


At this point, i do not see any chance of competing with the Dodgers, Nats or Braves with the personnel currently on the roster with or without Harvey

anymos
anymos

@tw22 @Justin Casale Are you insane?  I had to go look it up because the comparison seemed absurd:  Cabrera posted a .947 OPS with a .323 avg 33 HRs and 43 2bs as 22 year old.  What in the world has Wilmer done to make you think he can come remotely close to that level of production?

Thomas McKeever
Thomas McKeever

@Zach Goeringer @Thomas McKeeverExactly.  If we had a Reyes-type then ya you bat him first.  But we don't so we have to get creative to best use what we have available. And that is not EYJ or Tejada leading off

Thomas McKeever
Thomas McKeever

@Zach Goeringer @Thomas McKeever Anyone person is likely to be leading off an inning.  I like CY there because:

 1. We don't have many attractive options there

 2. EYJ is not a starter

 3.I like J Lagares batting 9th in front of a CY who can drive him in

 4. In that lineup 1-6 can take you deep (TDA might, Lagares less likely) 

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@Thomas McKeever @Zach Goeringer  I couldn't disagree with you more. At whatever point you are in the game when you are leading off, you still have your best run producers batting 2 or 3 spots behind you. If you are batting leadoff you have to be able to get on base throughout the game to generate runs.

Thomas McKeever
Thomas McKeever

@Zach Goeringer @Thomas McKeeverSo much is made of the leadoff spot. it means next to nothing beyond the first inning.  I like CY at the top because you have pop and speed.  Flores is 5th because thats big RBI spot in the lineup and I expect him to become an RBi machine.  EYJ should not be a starter, I don't care how fast he is.
  I think this year it couldn't hurt to take some big risks (ie CY leadoff and Flores 5th) but I think the lineup could be decent.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@Thomas McKeever  Flores does not get on base enough to bat 2 and it takes away from him driving runs in which is the best part of his game. I was against the pitcher batting 8th until I heard the reason. Its to get Wright more rbi chances while still giving him a 3 hitters share of at bats throughout the game. If you remember, Wright had most of his success batting 4th and 5th with more runs to drive in than 3rd. Its unconventional to say the least, but on a team with an extreme lack of power it may just work. 

Joseph DeFazio
Joseph DeFazio

@helloboy @Joseph DeFazio @greekgod  That's a fair point.  I still see many holes in the line-up, clearly at 1st and SS. However, i think a rotation that includes Thor, Harvey, Wheeler and RM has a potential to be dynamite.  Think Giants with limited power in their line-up.  I'm not saying this team will be nearly as good as the Giant WS team, but if they can get one more legit bat, they certainly will be contending for a playoff spot in 2015.