Wilmer Flores reminds people of Edgardo Alfonzo

Terry Collins said people in camp are saying Wilmer Flores is reminiscent of Edgardo Alfonzo.

“That is a big statement,” said Collins. “If that’s what Flores is going to be, obviously you have to find a position for him to play.”

Flores again took ground balls at second base and shortstop today…


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Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

I think the guys comparing Wilmer to Fonzie are mostly comparing their approach at the plate and ability to drive in runs. Flores did do a nice job at times last year in RBI situations. But, obviously, he’s far from Fonzie in the field, which is the major obstacle for him.

Again, he looks more confident and comfortable on the infield. My gut feeling, seeing him work out here, the people in his group, how coaches are talking, etc., I expect he’ll start Triple-A playing second and shortstop. And, sooner than later, depending on injuries on the big league team, it wouldn’t surprise me to see him staring up in the middle in Citi Field. Last year at this time, I never thought this could be the case…




80 comments
Derek Cernak
Derek Cernak

wait, wait, wait... hold out for at least 12% glen ;) ha ha ha

Yolanda Urena
Yolanda Urena

If he's clutch at the plate like Fannie I'll take him!

Anthony Fowler
Anthony Fowler

can't wait til fri first game of spring training

D.j. Ace
D.j. Ace

Who wrote this caption?Alfonzo was an allstar caliber 2nd baseman with power,RBI capability and a great glove..This dude doesn't even have a position on a losing team..Forget 2nd,he s/b concentrating on beating out a AAA SS named Tejada who hit .202 last yr.If u can't beat him out on a team that lost 88 games do not mention him..

Bernardo Arce
Bernardo Arce

If Flores can make the routine plays at SS I don't see why he can start the season as the regular SS. Send Tejada down to AAA and let him be the emergency backup.

Bryan Rodriguez
Bryan Rodriguez

Statements like this make me wanna BackSlash the Mets sometimes!!!!!! Always reaching!!! Have some pride!!!

Salvatore Vassallo
Salvatore Vassallo

Lmao it's been a day and he reminds them of Alfonzo. But I do hope he gets better at SS and wins the job

Lesli Cutler
Lesli Cutler

Are they SERIOUS???? The kid doesn't even have a position!

Giuseppe Larocca
Giuseppe Larocca

Not even close. Maybe with a couple years of development he could be half of what fonz was

boybigs26
boybigs26

This is the year we are supposed to be better. I'm so tired of giving players like Tejada yet another chance to prove he isn't major league talent. Whether he is smooth at Ss or not Flores showed that he can play and hit at the major league level. I don't mind seeing him botch a double play if I know he can help us at the plate. And he's got some pop in his bat. We need some power from anywhere we can get it. Also, it's time to end the terrible twosome at first. Two + years of Ike and Duda are enough to see they aren't first string material. Josh Satin is the answer for the short term future at least.

Rob DeGeronimo
Rob DeGeronimo

He better win ss job because nobody wants Ruben.

chasesimms
chasesimms

F _ _ _ it! Put him at SS and see what he does! 

John Kaniuk
John Kaniuk

He is not even close. Who writes this crap?

Scott Emmerich
Scott Emmerich

Fonzi was purely great... Wish he was with the mets longer!

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

This year Flores looks like Alfonso.  Last year Collin Cowgill looked like Lenny Dykstra.  The year before Andres Torres was more than an ample replacement for Angel Pagan.  Next year you'll be saying Wilfredo Tovar reminds people of Buddy Harrelson.

On the other hand, it seems that the Mets are middle infield deficient and they're probably not going to spend money to remedy that situation.  Therefore, give the kid a shot.  He seems to have some talent, but let's get one thing straight: he's not Edgardo Alfonso.

Gary Mikucki
Gary Mikucki

Can we just let the kid play before putting Fonz expectations on him!

Ricardo Ronda
Ricardo Ronda

Everyone just hates on this kid. he's only 21/22. Cmon all he does is hit, also got into excellent shape, Let him play

adam
adam

He should be our starting SS! Why does Sandy keep our best players in the Minors for so long? Christ, our best pitcher won't even be on our Opening Day roster! And don't give me the Super Two crap Sandy, the Cardinals and Rays bring up talent right away. Kershaw is only a year older then Harvey!!!!! Jose Fernadez just turned 21!!!! What are we trying to win PCL titles in Vegas? Let me break it down for you Sandy, to bring in talent, you need money. To get money, you have to generate excitement within the fan base by selling tickets and getting ratings. To sell tickets and get ratings, you need players fans are excited to see!!!! Tejada is a .240 hitter, thats his ceiling. Duda stinks. He's the biggest singles hitter ever. He looks like Paul Bunyan but has the power of Ben Revere. This is absurd. Find a spot for talent!!!!!

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

I'm telling you, my fellow Mets fans are some of the most gullible people I have ever met in my life.  Many of them have no conviction in their positions and allow others to dictate how they feel and view things.  A decade ago, Mets fans were clamoring big ticket free agent signings and trading for proven commodities.  Despite what you think, the Omar Minaya experience wasn't that bad.  Last I checked, we were one out away from making the World Series and we were playing meaningful games in September; we weren't out of the race by mid-June, as we have been the past handful of years.  Sandy Alderson comes in and Mets fans preach prospects and development.  Fans are against signing anyone, regardless of their capabilities, beyond a two year deal.  As time has gone on, fans are preaching On-Base Percentage, walks, and friggen defense.  You could not find a more clear case of a group changing their views in a 180 degree manner.  It's comparable to a Republican running for office in 2004 as a staunch conservative, then running again in 2014 as a hardline liberal supporter of Obama.  The reason why I am saying this is that Mets fans in the past would be DEMANDING that this team find a spot for Wilmer Flores.  To the point, fans would be demanding that he beat out Tejada for the shortstop position.  Instead, fans think it is more important to have Tejada's defense than it is to have Flores' bat.  Last time I checked, you don't win games by merely catching the ball.  While saving runs through good defense is an important aspect of the game, it pales in comparison to the importance of driving in runs.  I don't care which player you look at - Ruben Tejada at SS or Juan Legares at CF - neither player will save as many runs as a good replacement will score.  Even if Tejada has a bounce-back season, the most we can expect from him is a .300 average, .340 OBP, 1 HR, 30 RBI, 20 SB.  Based upon his performance in the minors, Flores can do that in a quarter of a season, plus another 6-7 HR.  It's not as though we are talking about a butcher here, either.  Flores has played every position in the infield, and he was a SS when he first started.  We won't know exactly what we have defensively with him until he is forced to perform under the pressure of a real baseball game.  The Yankees have managed to do pretty damn well with a below-average defensive SS for the past 20 years.  We know exactly what we are getting from Tejada and it is not very good.  We don't know what we are getting from Flores until we give him the chance.  If we aren't going to sign Drew to play SS, we need to give the job to Flores and see what he does.

Jerry Emer
Jerry Emer

They said the same thing about Tejada in 2012. They're gonna say that with every spanish infielder that is quiet and calm?

Mike Vee
Mike Vee

Nothing wrong with being like the fonze

anthony G. Decesare
anthony G. Decesare

Have some guts and roll the dice and put the kid at SS...lets see what happens....at least in the spring.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

We need to find a spot for him or trade him plain and simple. If you have him sitting in triple a while Lucas Duda and Ruben Tejeda are in the starting lineup then it is clear that the front office does not have this teams best interest in mind. I really don't know why this continues to be such a battle and an issue when its so black and white. Wilmer Flores can hit while Lucas Duda, Ike Davis and Ruben Tejeda cannot.

Keith Allen-Verdi
Keith Allen-Verdi

Terry said he reminds him of Fonzie,but he can't crack this AAA lineup..confused..always seem to be that way with Terry..the pain!

David Tucker
David Tucker

As a Met fan I've never heard this kind of statement before

MetsOregon
MetsOregon

And yet Collins is for some reason talking about how to get Ike Davis as many at-bats as possible at first base this spring. No mention at all of giving Flores a chance to earn the every-day first base job.

Michael Scimeca
Michael Scimeca

After watching this guy play 3rd last year, it'll be a miracle if he can hold down SS at this level. His bat will be more than solid, but a middle infield of Flores and Murphy would be a nightmare.

Anthony Fiore
Anthony Fiore

I would rather he start at SS today!  We need his bat in the lineup!

Bob Burket
Bob Burket

I would love to see Flores at SS on opening day. If he can just make the routine plays it would be great to have his bat in there.

mets1973
mets1973

Like Flores, Fonzie was originally signed as a SS. Like Flores he is slow of foot. I could see Flores take over at 2b, his limited range precludes him from being an average ML SS. I've never been sold on Murphy as a position player. He is a DH.

niesesnose
niesesnose

I don't understand the Duda hate. He hits righties fairly well and is OK at 1B. The reason he looked so bad is because he was played in an OF position he never should've been played at. He had a 120 wRC+ last year and is fine as one half of a 1B platoon

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@MetsOregon That decision climbs higher than Collins imo. The top brass view Flores as a legitimate middle infielder, and whether it's at AAA or the major league club, they want him playing SS or 2B everyday in 2014. And to be honest, I kind of understand it. He clearly needs to learn one of those positions, and he can't do that playing first every day, or riding the bench in Flushing. It might help in the short term, but if he can turn himself into a viable player at either position, with his bat his value long-term to the club will be 3x what it would be at first.

RockMarz
RockMarz

umm huh...i think he is going to be an all-star

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@niesesnose Its not what's wrong with him it's what's not right. He has muted power and stares at fastballs right down the middle. I get he is a selective hitter and I appreciate obp more than most, but when your 6'4 fifth hitter is taking pitches at the rate of an 8th hitter something has to change. There is nothing about Duda's game that jumps out at you, not one stat. He takes up space in a position where we need run production. If you want to make a case for Duda to be our first lefty bat off the bench to pinch hit I'm all ears, but the words Lucas Duda and starting 1st baseman should not be used together.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@niesesnose He hit 12 homers against righties in 100 games. He also hit .240 against those righties while torching an unreal 25 rbi's. Power hitting lefties are suppose to dominant right handed pitching and instead he struggled severely. You're telling me that Flores couldn't do better? Flores has had 75 rbi's each of his last 3 minor league seasons. 86 rbi last year with spending a 1/4th of the season in the majors. Granted it was in Vegas where balls fly out. But I really can't see a single good reason why a guy who was on pace to hit 110 rbi at the triple a level last year should be benched in favor of the guy who hit .240/12/25 against favorable matchups.

niesesnose
niesesnose

Duda only played in 100 games last year. Not exactly an everyday player and hit 15 home runs. Take out his at bats against lefties and say he plays in 110 games it's not far fetched to think he can hit 20

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@niesesnose Being that Duda has played 2 full seasons as a starter and never hit more than 15 homeruns, I find it hard to believe he would hit 20 as a platoon player.

niesesnose
niesesnose

If Duda played as the left handed side only, he'd likely hit around .245 with 20 homers. Combined with Satin we'd be getting above league average production out of 1B.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@niesesnose I know you mentioned him in a platoon, but the lefty bat in a platoon is effectively the starter.