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Wilmer Flores having a strong winter season in Venezuela

Over his last four games for Los Bravos de Margarita, Wilmer Flores is 7-for-13 with three doubles, two RBI and only one strikeout.

Overall this winter, Flores is hitting .391 with six RBI and only four strikeouts in 46 at-bats in 13 games, and is 9-for-19 with runners in scoring position.

In 27 games for the Mets in 2013, Flores, 22, hit just .211 with one home run and 13 RBI in 101 plate appearances over 27 games. He hit .321 with 15 home runs and 86 RBI in 107 games with Triple-A Las Vegas.

Flores attended a fitness camp along with Lucas Duda and Ruben Tejada in Michigan in November.

Michael Baron, Contributor

Flores has mostly served as his team’s second baseman this winter, although he has played one game at third base and been a designated hitter in another. The organization wasn’t thrilled with him at second base before he was called up last summer, which helps explain why Terry Collins didn’t use him there when he arrived.

In a perfect world, he is built to be a first baseman considering his size and his mobility. But, if the Mets are intending to use either Ike Davis or Lucas Duda there, and they hold onto Daniel Murphy at second base, it’s going to be hard for Flores to get consistent playing time in the big leagues in 2014. And, if he’s going to be an impact bat in the big leagues – either with the Mets or elsewhere – he must be playing everyday somewhere…




295 comments
gloveman
gloveman

When you are judging Flores's value and potential you need to remember that this guy was 21 years old in the major leagues and playing on a badly, twice sprained ankle!

Bill Russell
Bill Russell

The mets are built on pitching and that means that you need very good fielding especially when you have little hitting. Therefore when you don't have a big discrepancy between hitters (Duda and Ike) you have to go with the better fielder, IKE. Besides i like seeing Ike catch the foul balls in the dugout. 


Opti-Mets-tic
Opti-Mets-tic

With Uribe signing with the Dodgers, I am reading many reports that the 3rd-base market might be heating up soon. Which, in Mets Nation, means that either Daniel Murphy rumors might resurface, or that Wilmer Flores rumors start circulating. I think Ike will eventually be traded. And, I think that Wilmer or Murphy will also be traded.

Marco Antonio S
Marco Antonio S

Flores should be the 1st baseman ! Trade Duda and Ike Davis for Jose Reyes so he can come back and play SS for the Mets !!

Herb Goldstein
Herb Goldstein

Bryan is right - 46 ABs in winter ball mean nothing. However, Flores has proven he can hit in the minor leagues, and although it does not mean he will hit major league pitching, it's the best indicator we have.

Flores is something of an enigma. He has no experience at 1B so there is no chance he would be penciled in there for 2014. Despite the defensive deficiencies we have heard so much about, he acquitted himself quite well at 3B when he replaced Wright last year, prior to his ankle injury. That leads me to believe that he could be a very serviceable second baseman, as Murphy made himself into.

The fact that he went to fitness camp means that he will probably be with us next season. (Ditto for Tejada, although not necessarily as a starter) It seems clear that management wants Eric Young to play everyday. If Murphy is still with us come spring training, Young will be in LF and Flores and Lagares will probably be odd men out. But if Murph is traded and second base opens up, I predict there will be a 2 way battle between Lagares and Flores in spring training, If Lagares has a better spring, he will be in CF and Young gets 2B. If Flores wins out, he gets 2B and Young winds up back in LF. Either way, the Mets way will be a better team. 

Mary Keogh
Mary Keogh

As long as I don't read the comments, I like SNY

Ralph Caridad
Ralph Caridad

I don't think he has the range or speed to play SS. I see him as a 1B solution. Especially with his globe and height.

Jova1931
Jova1931

Why do all these posts end with "..."? Ever heard of other punctuation?

maxster
maxster

I have an Idea, Dump Ike and Duda and play Flores everyday at 1st base. With the payroll savings sign DrewI rather have Drew/Flores over Tejada/Duda any day of the week.

Muhammad Khan
Muhammad Khan

I have an idea if he's doing so well in Venezuela keep him there.

gothamsane
gothamsane

As much as I like Josh Satin, I hope he takes as many abats from Satin at first for a year's experiment. See if his RbIs are significantly better than Satin.

I have watched decade after decade of barren Met hitting prospects.

All we have to do is give him a year.

I hope he gets a full shot at 2nd and 1st this year, at least against the tougher lefties...

John Hooton
John Hooton

keep up the great work Wilmer Flores looking forward to seeing you next season

mike23
mike23

So if he plays anywhere it will most likely have to be 1b yet the mets are playing him mostly at 2b (and no time yet at 1b), how does that make sense exactly. I mean is he being blocked from playing 1b in that league or is it the mets choosing. If they think he is ready than they should trade both Ike and Duda and put this kid there full time in 2014. If they don't then they should package him in a trade for either a legit/proven 1b or sign an available free agent (morales, who isn't known for his glove) but can hit. 

John Kaniuk
John Kaniuk

Is he going to be a SS? Get rid of Tejada as he went back to his lazy ways last year.

Mike Ryan
Mike Ryan

if he  not going to get a shot in our infield ,how about trading him & other prospects to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp ,Dodgers looking to younger  &  third basement & we can use a power rightly bat .

hashburry
hashburry

@Bill Russell Catching foul balls is all Ike excels at.  He has zero range at first, botches a number of easy plays at big moments in games, and because of those few over the rail catches, has been overrated defensively.  He also compounds the problems by bringing his terrible hitting onto the field.

dexx
dexx

@Opti-Mets-tic I feel like Ike isn't going to bring a lot back all by himself, but a team that is looking to take a chance on Ike to bounce back, and a need for a young 3B, could very send a nice SS our way, or a good young SP.  I really would like to package Ike, Flores, & Montero together to see what sort of return we could get.  We should be able to land a really nice addition to the team with that package.

dexx
dexx

@Herb Goldstein Did you see him play 3B?  He made a couple of errors, and also couldn't get to 2 bunts for infield singles.  If he improves his footwork, agility & quickness, then he might be able to be a league average 3B, but I don't see any reasonable explanation of you coming to the conclusion the that he would be a serviceable major league 2B.

Ziggy Jones
Ziggy Jones

@Bryan McEntee not meaningless, but i understand the point. however, we know what we have in ike and duda, so why not give flores a shot at 1b?

dexx
dexx

@maxster Do you realize that Duda had an .831 OPS vs RHP last season, and .767 OPS overall?  The "32 HR" season that Ike had in 2012 ended with an OPS of .771


Duda put up an OPS of over .800 until he struggled to regain his timing after returning from the injury that sidelined him for two months.  Before he got hurt, he had 11 HRs in April/May with .900 OPS vs RHP, while playing a position that he is admittedly not comfortable playing.  I'd be shocked if Flores put up anything close to those kind of numbers, and Duda is due to make a little less that $2mill through arbitration.  That is not nearly enough money to sign Stephen Drew.  If Duda is our 1B in 2014, he will put up the best numbers we've seen at 1B since Carlos Degado.

dexx
dexx

@gothamsane Because you would rather take a chance on Flores possibly succeeding  vs Murphy consistently succeeding? 

Gland1
Gland1

@Joe Wenzel It's become pretty obvious by now that the organization did not think he was capable of playing 2b.

metstastic
metstastic

There's Ike and Duda at 1B. Sounds like Alderson wants to keep one so yes, it's blocked. Murphy sounds like he might be traded. That would open a spot for him to compete with EY.

dexx
dexx

@Mike Ryan He had a serious ankle surgery, and no one is certain he will have the speed that he once had.  Without that tool, he is no longer an above average CF defensively, and no longer an asset on the basepaths.  He's not exactly a 40 HR guy, so without the above average defense & baserunning do you really want to add a LF that will hit you 20 HRs for $100mil?  That's a pretty bad investment.

metstastic
metstastic

Didn't he also turn his ankle twice trying to make plays? Or was one of them running the bases?

dexx
dexx

@Ziggy Jones@Bryan McEntee I'm not sure we know what we have with Duda as a 1B.  We know what we have in Duda as a LF, and we know what we have with Ike as a 1B.  Chris Davis said that the main reason he was able to relax at the plate, and put up monster #'s this season, is because he was able to play 1B everyday, and not have to worry about where he was playing defensively, and that he was playing a position that he felt comfortable playing.  That sounds an awful lot like what Lucas has been saying that past year or so.

metstastic
metstastic

The reason Ike only had a OPS of .771 for the season was because his first half was so putrid. What was his OPS the second half?

dtgaff
dtgaff

@dexx @maxster His average w/RISP was atrocious! Drew/Flores any day over Duda/Tejada

dexx
dexx

@Gland1@Joe Wenzel Its strange how its not obvious to our fans for some reason.  He was barely passable at 3B.  If he gains any weight with age, he is a 1B only, and might be already.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Only if he can play 2B well enough.

gloveman
gloveman

@metstastic yes his ankle was in bad shape for the last month and a half of the season. He seemed to be hitting the ball pretty well before the first sprain.

Gland1
Gland1

@dexx @Gland1 @Joe Wenzel Unfortunately a lot of fans don't seem to understand the importance of defense.  I can't even tell you how many times I've read about different players "Just throw him out there, how bad can he be?"  and then the first time he doesn't make a play they go nuts. 

dexx
dexx

@Marcus Jensen@jazywebgem Actually, that is debatable.  Morales put up decent offensive numbers for a 1B last season, slightly above average really, but he only played a handful of games in the field.  The more he plays 1B the less value he adds, as he is rumored to be awful defensively after the leg injury.  Also, playing 1B everyday, as opposed to DHing would probably make him a little less effective at the plate, as he isn't conditioned to play more that 5-10 games at 1B.  Counting on him as anything more than league average to slightly below league average as a 1B is probably going to bite you.  Teams aren't exactly lining up to sign him as a DH, much less a full time 1B.  I would wager that Duda has a higher WAR playing 1B full time in 2014 than would Morales playing 1B full time.

Gland1
Gland1

@Opti-Mets-tic I find it nearly impossible to have a conversation now without the notifications. That's why so many people are gone. Trolls don't care about down votes; they are trying to annoy people. But lot of the long term good posters are gone.

Opti-Mets-tic
Opti-Mets-tic

@Gland1 @jose_who To be honest, because the whole dynamic has changed without notifications and down-votes, it feels like about half of the trolls are gone because of it, and actual baseball conversations take place much more often on here now.

Gland1
Gland1

@jose_who  I'd prefer to get a downvote rather than have someone call me an ahole.  Some comments just don't merit a response.