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Wilmer Flores could play SS in Spring Training

Mets infield prospect Wilmer Flores could see time at shortstop during Spring Training, according to Sandy Alderson (DiComo, Jan. 30).

Flores was among a group of seven Mets who participated in an offseason strength, conditioning and nutrition program in Michigan this winter.

“Before this offseason, I’m not sure he ever had any sort of structured, regimented conditioning program,” Alderson said. “The work that they have done on speed and agility and quickness, etc., may have an impact on his ability to play certain positions.”

Flores played shortstop in 2011 with Single-A St. Lucie, but later moved to third and second base.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

To make the Mets, he’s going to have to win a spot as a backup infielder capable of playing all four infield positions and I’m not sure he’s capable of that. To Alderson’s point, though, I’m basing that on what we’ve seen of him prior to this winter. I mean, who knows, maybe he’s literally in the best shape of his life and then some? Maybe he’s now got reflexes like Spiderman? We’ll see…

In the end, I still think Flores will end up getting the bulk of his at bats at first and second base with Triple-A Las Vegas.




105 comments
metfan8669
metfan8669

I like that's  where our void is.   Not like Tejada is a world beater.

qualcomm
qualcomm

Try it out.  If he can move enough to handle the role with fly ball pitchers going (we have a ton of those), then get him a few ABS and if the game is in hand, you can afford to bring Q in for defense.

joebloe
joebloe

Starting to look like the emts will waste two more promising youngsters in Lagares and Flores by botching their defensive duties...just play him at first and get rid of Duda/Davis.

Peter Simon
Peter Simon

The concept of Flores at short reminds me of the Kevin Mitchell "experiment"  on the 86 team...not the best position for either of them, but the potential offense might compensate. I hope Flores is less of a "rude boy" type than Kevin. It sounds like a worthy concept, esp. if Flores shows a modicum of range and finesse.  

getalife
getalife

Guess Tejada didn't lose enough weight...

rock316nyj
rock316nyj

A lineup of


Lagares/Young

Murphy

Wright

Granderson

Flores

Davis/Duda

Young

D'Arnaud


not too shabby at all


Ricardo Ronda
Ricardo Ronda

why is flores hated on?.... all he does is hit....Play him...1b 2b.... thats it...its not like we have Keith Hernandez or Alfonso there

eric88
eric88

He should be and will be the Mets 1B some time this year and then for the next ten years, as soon as they realize that Ike and Duda are finished. If they had better talent evaluators they would have made the change already.

Vin Santiago
Vin Santiago

No no no no no no no no scouts say the guy doesn't have the range for second base and the kid also has big stupid feet so he can't play first either but, now you're telling me that this guy can play shortstop?  

cver
cver

Alderson has been GM for 3 years now and we were led to believe that from then on in, things were going to be done the "right way.  If that is the case, why would one of the Mets top prospects never had been involved in "any sort of structured, regimented conditioning program"?  I would think that pretty much all of the players would be involved in something like this.  I am wondering what other players of ours, who have not performed up to their potential, have also been neglected in this manner.  Alderson sounds almost like he just came aboard, the way he casually states this fact.  You would think he'd be ashamed to even admit this deficit on his player development department's part.  And then, they are talking of taking a player, who supposedly can't even handle 2B and playing him at SS.  Maybe they should figure out what he can play and get him as many reps as possible, teaching him all the scenarios, etc. instead of confusing him.

Keith Bennett
Keith Bennett

If Flores could play short stop it would be a big plus for Mets. One thing Flores could do is hit the baseball. Big impact on Mets lineup.

hashburry
hashburry

Two interesting points.  Alderson doesn't even know what off season, and for that matter, in season fitness programs one his top prospects utilizes and the Mets are now banking on a fat farm to improve the baseball skills of 3 players that may be on the opening day roster.  Geez.

John Paul Cullinane
John Paul Cullinane

...ugh

Healthy competition at 1B because we don't have a true 1B

Healthy competition at Short Stop because we don't have a real SS

They are moving people to other positions (screwing with their progression) because they have not brought in the right people.

We still do not having a cleanup hitter

We will be using our minor league starters to solve major league bullpen issues

We paid $7.5 million for a CF that bats .230 and are playing him as a corner OF because we never got a bat and will stress, "but Lagares gives good defense!"

We tried to replace Harvey's production with a fat PED user who just cashed his last paycheck.  He will never pitch again after July of this year as his body will have broken down.

We signed Granderson (which is a good signing - but a waste of money since they didn't put anything around him in the lineup) to replace Marlon Byrd's production numbers from last year

We didn't trade Duda for bullpen help (I'm fine with Ike at 1B)

We didn't trade EYJ or CY for bullpen help...

We missed out on Akoi which would have been a much better fit than Young for this team


...was this Alderson's plan?  This team is +/- 2 games from last years win total and anyone who says otherwise is a blind optomist Mets apologist.  But hey, at least our farm system has improved...let's punt another season!

mike23
mike23

Why hasn't Flores been playing short stop every day for the last few seasons and into this season. Mets seem to be a little late if they now have plans to use Flores at SS... seems they could have handled his situation alot better. If they did he might be ready right now to take over SS. Typical mets. 

metsfan123
metsfan123

Lets not kid anyone, if Flores can play SS competently, Tejada can go take a hike. If this kid could be halfway competent at SS, he would be an all star every year with the way he hits. 

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

22 years old, and has been with the organization since he was 16.  If this guy doesn't have it for the Major League roster at this time, when will he?

Mike Cornacchio
Mike Cornacchio

I don't see why not giving it a try. W-L in ST doesn't matter, so might as well let him get a shot, especially during split squads so Tejada can also get his reps. Should make for a healthy competition if anything else

sylow59
sylow59

1) competition for Tejada so he doesn't mail it in this year

2) negotiating tool for a trade for a SS, or Drew

3) HoJo, Mitchel, Hubie all played SS.  When Wheeler or Thor is pitching why not?  They're not GB pitchers so his defense will not be as massive a negative so it is a net gain with the offense.  That was the arguement Johnson used for HoJo and Mitchell.

RandomDreg
RandomDreg

Why would he need to show he can play all positions?  We are seriously in need of someone who can play SS at a major league level, and someone that can back him up for that matter.  If he shows any ability at all to play SS and to hit major league pitching, it is a no brainer.

anthony G. Decesare
anthony G. Decesare

Terry Collins believes that Eric Young Jr. is his primary suitor for the leadoff position in the batting order say Adam Rubin of ESPNNewYork.com.

have been saying for a while that mets had nothing to lose in trying Flores at ss, he came up as a ss, I kept getting this "he's out grown the position" crap by cerrone and others...try it! :)

Albert Dispinseri
Albert Dispinseri

i think the mets should stop messing around and bring back REYES.......4yrs 40mil.....work it out..

Lon Samuelson
Lon Samuelson

If Wilmer is gonna get a look at SS then so should EY. If he can be serviceable then at least you have a legitimate leadoff guy.

gloveman
gloveman

I want to see Flores play next year as a regular, but I just don't see Murphy and Flores manning the middle infield defense. Maybe if Murph was traded and Young was there. I think the pitchers would have nightmares!

Nicholas Vargas
Nicholas Vargas

Perfect fit at SS for Flores playing full time. If he wants to play every day for the Mets, that's where he is going to have stick to. Like Cerrone said, he breaks spring training with the big league club if he can play four spots in the infield. Satin looks like he can play three.

bleck319
bleck319

To correct Cerrone's statement from above:

"To make the Mets, Flores is going to have to prove he has a pulse. So far in their careers, Ike Davis and Ruben Tejada have yet to do so, leaving tremendous holes in two key positions. Since management appears too cheap and indebted to sign Stephen Drew, Flores could be the least worst option at either 1B or SS."

hankypanky
hankypanky

Admitting that Flores is clumsy isn't the same as hating him. Last season there were occasions when Flores looked like he fell asleep in the infield.

That's not hate. That's reality.

qualcomm
qualcomm

@Vin Santiago Let's see him in the spring. Scouts also said Matt Harvey wasn't an ace until he was. 

Ricardo Ronda
Ricardo Ronda

hes not a SS... hes a 1b or 2b.... let him play

xgamblorx
xgamblorx

@cver You would think that ALL major league teams would invest in conditioning and nutrition programs for their minor leaguers but they really don't. Maybe they don't want to pay money for such a thing when 95% of those players will never be major leaguers, but it always seemed crazy to me that minor leaguers basically get handed $25 a day and dropped off at Chipotle. It seems like investing a few hundred thousand a year in nutrition programs top to bottom would pay off if it produced even one more utility major leaguer every few years.

eric88
eric88

@cver Don't wonder its simple.In the last few years name a Mets farmhand who has come up and performed to or above expectations, particularly on offense.

eric88
eric88

@Keith Bennett  His mature body type will be that of a 1st basemen. A Cabrara type body.

zoddie
zoddie

@mike23 Because he's too big and slow to play shortstop.  He's got over 450 games as a professional at short.

rico
rico

@sylow59  


3) HoJo, Mitchel, Hubie all played SS.  When Wheeler or Thor is pitching why not?  They're not GB pitchers so his defense will not be as massive a negative so it is a net gain with the offense.  That was the arguement Johnson used for HoJo and Mitchell.



sure all those guys played a game or a few at SS but when the METS actually won it was with sure-handed weak hitting Rafael Santana.   I love Wilmer's bat but he looked like ass out there in the field last year, even before he hurt his ankle.  


Zach Ripple
Zach Ripple

 Yeah I'm surprised EY hasn't gotten more consideration to play shortstop, at least on a part-time basis. They had Justin Turner playing shortstop at times, so I can't imagine Flores or EY would be worse... David Eckstein had no arm and forged a nice career for himself at shortstop before moving to second base late in his career.

arc34
arc34

 Why not?...think his arm is a little short for SS though.

qualcomm
qualcomm

@rico In '86 they played lots of games there; 42 games started actually and 58 games total. Santana would come in at the end of the game a lot for defense, but they'd get the ABS in first.    Also, Elster started 9 games too on top of that.

38 games were started by all hit shortstops in 1988 as well ;)

stemog
stemog

@rico @sylow59 Brooks played more than a few, especially with Montreal since he was traded by the Mets at a pretty young age.