Terry Collins 2 (AP)

Will it be 24-7 ‘Terry Watch’ through the start of next season?

“Why should Terry Collins be granted immunity?” columnist Bob Klapisch asked Wednesday (Bergen Record, June 11).

In Klapisch’s view, the only way to judge Collins is on whether he’s getting the most out of the talent on his roster.

“With just under 100 games to go, the answer is a resounding no,” he wrote.

Collins said GM Sandy Alderson point-blank told him Monday that his job as manager of the Mets is safe, despite speculation that he could be on the hot seat.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Unfortunately, until the Mets get above .500, this is going to be a subject every day until the end of the season. It was this way with Art Howe, and it was this way with Willie Randolph and Jerry Manuel, and it’s only heightened by reporters using 24-7, non-stop, social media to fuel controversies and page views.

I recognize there is a passionate movement among some fans to ditch Collins and hire someone else, namely Triple-A manager Wally Backman. I see no evidence that either scenario is likely to happen, at least not any time soon. So, as a rule, I think I’m going to stop making posts reacting to other people’s opinions, regardless of who they are and where they write. News is news, that’s a different story. But, to stop every five seconds and react to what others are thinking will mean this blog will be wall-to-wall “Terry Watch,” and that’s not the site I want to write.




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philsdad
philsdad

I agree with Cerrone in making this a non issue.  He is not the reason we are a bad team.  It's the owners!!! And Sandy acting on their behalf.  Sorry I live in the real world.

Joel Beck
Joel Beck

Can him now. Terrible manager

openmind6
openmind6

Matt, it sounds like you are at a crossroads. Trying to decide which is more important to you, being an objective Mets Fan, or a Subjective Author of MetsBlog.

Doubleday
Doubleday

Perhaps now is the time for Wright and Granderson to step up and hold a team meeting of players only, to discuss how to win in spite of the manager.

alfonzono1
alfonzono1

Still trying to figure out why Collins has his job. There are people sitting in Old folks homes who can manage the team better than he does. So tired of hearing "look at the talent he has to work with".  He sits down one of his best hitters (Lagares) because he wants to get in more offense, LOL. Then they brought up Flores to be the regular SS and because Tejada has a little hot streak Flores barely sniffs the starting lineup. So we are sitting the man who hit 321 and drove in 86 RBI's in the minors last year for a man that at best will bat 260 to 270 with 35 to 40 RBI's with few runs scored because of his lack of speed.  The knock on Flores has been that they were unsure about his glove, well he has looked good with his glove, why is he not playing? Can you name many teams that Tejada would be the starting SS beside the Mets?

nwmets
nwmets

Terry will be fine as soon as we can "get him going."

Mushroombarleysoup
Mushroombarleysoup

Although I'm truly sick and tired of watching TC in the dugout, making foolish decisions, and appallingly low fire-where-it-counts,...I almost don't care about this year because I can barely watch most days(again)....I'm so sick and tired of this parade of mediocre managers, bad contracts, and second stringers,...geez almighty already,...

rcmets
rcmets

I actually didn't mind Terry until this season but his efforts this year have made him my least favorite manager in 30 years of watching the Mets. Let me count the ways he has been infurating to 98% of all Mets fans (basically everyone besides the 3 or 4 people who comprise the Ruben Tejada fan club) 

 1) His stupefying and inexplicable benching of Flores for Tejada

 2) his attempt to do the same thing to Lagares (until there was literally a public outcry) 

 3) his mishandling of the bullpen (due to his ridiculous adherence to ALWAYS default to a lefty-  righty matchup and his strange obsession for putting retreads in high-leverage roles)  which has directly led to countless one-run losses and several likely arm injuries later this season

 4) his refusal to play promising youngsters like Campbell, Flores, Lagares, etc.in favor of the likes of Tejada, CY, EYJ, etc.


They say that managers only influence a handful of outcomes over the course of a season but I'm, nearly positive TC has directly cost us at least a half-dozen games due to sheer stupidity. Wally is an upgrade solely due to the fact he actually has a human brain in his head. 

tw22
tw22

Matt, that is the news. AS a side note, Lasorda on SNY last night mentioned something that made a tone of sense. Could be that Backman's promotion waits until a good number of players have come through the system and played for him at AAA. Lasorda's entiore infield played for him when he managed the Dodgers AAA team. Its not a bad philosophy. As for Collins, he isn't losing his job this season. There is no reason to make a change until this team is in a position to regret losing games due to managerial hiccups. We're not there yet.

Manny Montes
Manny Montes

We do not have great players people! When you understand that out players suck then we will be good. As for TC I don't care for him and wish he was gone!

Darrell Smith
Darrell Smith

Anderson wanted to hire The guy who now Manages the A's , the Wilpons said no because he wanted a 3yr contract for 6 million. The Wilpons said no because he was too expensive  , so they hired Terry.

Steve Finelli
Steve Finelli

Does it really matter who manages this team with this level of talent?  I mean c'mon the Mets even made Joe Torre look bad.  Joe Maddon in Tampa is considered a genius by some but right now people think he's the problem there.  Your only as good as you talent and the Mets suck..........plain and simple.  What's worse is that they don't have a position player as a prospect who's close to making it to the major league level.  On top of that their stupid hitting philosophy only works with teams with a higher payroll who can afford to have better hitters in their lineup.  Right now the Mets have a bunch of mediocre hitters constantly in a 0-2, 1-2 hole and those stats never end well.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

If I met Terry Collins in person I would dare him to give me one intelligent answer about why the Wilmer Flores situation has been handled like it has.

mike23
mike23

Can Selig realize what is going on and put the Wilpons on a 24-7 "wilpon watch".... I don't seeing anything changing until they are gone. 

robby
robby

Good for you Matt.  As much as I want to see Terry go the Media just wants publicity and posting every little rumor they makeup is insane.  Just post something of significance not what every moron writes

theglider
theglider

They can bring in whomever to manage. We've gone through many and, somehow, amazingly, nothing changes. The manager gets fired, the fans rejoice, and the team loses.

This team has two hitters, a bullpen that gives up leads, starters that no one on here wants (everybody's being traded it seems), and no base stealers. Yet all of this is the fault of Jerry Manuel/Terry Collins/Whomever?

This is the roster the managers been given. He doesn't decide who is called up, only who plays that day. Bad lineups? Of course. There's bad talent. What do you expect?

dooley
dooley

As Mets fans we were reading about Wilmer Flores for years as the organization's top prospect. He has a balanced stance and a simple swing without a lot of moving parts. He doesn't have a hitch in his swing, throws the head of the bat at the ball (just like they teach you in little league), and it is very easy to see why he has a plus hit tool. So this begs the question - what is the real reason(s) he is not playing?

Kyle Turck
Kyle Turck

In today's game the manager's job is to prepare the players mentally and know which players to play. All the physical mistakes are 100% on the players, the mental mistakes are 100% on the manager. Try and predict tomorrows lineup, you have better odds playing keno in Vegas. How many baserunning mistakes have we've seen, how about any situation hitting? These things are purely mental. How many times have you yelled at TC to take out a pitcher but he leaves him in only to give up the go ahead run. TC gets these guys to hustle no doubt, but mentally they are not prepared at all. Until the poor decision making stops, Terry Watch will be 24/7    

rcmets
rcmets

Also infuriating: if any of these points were to ever be presented to TC he would refuse to give a logical justification and respond with something like "Cripes!! I don't answer to no stinking fans!!!"

ken1010
ken1010

@tw22 I regret the Mets loosing games to "managerial hiccups" every time I invest three hours watching a game and see it happen.  Sure, it might only cost a couple of games per year, but I'd rather have a manager who could help a couple of games per year.  


How can you take a relief pitcher who didn't make the team out of spring training and declare him the best on the team, the closer, a week or two later.  That cost a few games right there.  If you have to keep him, use him in the 6th, but Terry's love for veterans over people coming up is counterproductive.

dooley
dooley

Art Howe also managed the A's win they were winning a few years ago. Neither Howe or Bob Melvin should be credited for the A's success; it was Billy Beane

Doubleday
Doubleday

@mets2death His comments were back for a minute.  Maybe he deleted his profile?

mike23
mike23

@kefhrny17 Most of the time teams with talent make the manager look a whole lot better. Problem is mets have lacked it every year that Terry has been here. You could put any other manager with the teams that the mets have provided and i'm sure the winning total would look the same. I'd like to see Terry have a legit/playoff/championship caliber team and see what happens, if even than his team struggles to win than I could officially say he sucks. 


I'm not a huge Terry Collins fans but lets be realistic about the mets situation, like you said they lack talent and consistency, it's up to the Wilpons and Sandy to provide it, if not this losing way will continue. 

Although I don't think Collins is a very good game manager, the Mets would have 4-5 more wins (and a winning record) if Alderson had signed better players than C. Young, Valverde and Farnsworth. But Mets are one of dumbest teams with stupid blunders, which is in part bad coaching/managing.

mike23
mike23

@mets2death No reason not to play Flores at SS for rest of season, Terry/Sandy just setting up mets once again to not know what they are doing for next season, can't judge Flores until he is given a fair shot and this should be the time to find out if he can play.. if not mets need a SS for next season (have to move on from Tejada). 

Doubleday
Doubleday

@theglider Matsuzaka was fantastic last night.  Again.  Speak for yourself if you don't want him around.  Bartolo took a while to get going, but he's delivering as advertised.  Speak for yourself if you don't want him around.  We're lucky to have them. And since we're lucky to have them, other teams might want them, too.  It's the nature of the game.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@dooley "For years" - and Wilmer is just 22 and they can't keep him on the farm, anymore - he hit his way out of AAA

theglider
theglider

He doesn't get on base. And he may be a great prospect but gas yet to show he can hit in the majors. So we put defense ahead at shortstop.

Doubleday
Doubleday

You can delete my comments, Andrew, but Matthew knows I've done nothing but try to help.  He knows how to reach me if he decides to take me up on it.

Doubleday
Doubleday

and for the record, Stephen Drew is batting .071 in his return to the Red Sox.  Just one hit.  Some immediate impact player he turned out to be.  THANK GOD he didn't come here.

If you read your own blog, you'd know that the Mets fans want to discuss Wilmer Flores.  Last night's wrap-up post was all Flores.  I've posted below what the people want to talk about, and it's garnering an interesting discussion.  Again.  SO either you don't pay attention to the pulse of your readership, or you are being told what to write about and what not to.

Kyle Turck
Kyle Turck

@kefhrny17 talent wise they are bad but I honestly don't think they are as bad as everyone. A good manager should have his team mentally prepared (i.e how to run the bases and get a runner in from third with less than two outs) and manage the bullpen so that they don't get overtaxed. Why do you think the his bullpens are always so streaky, because he overuses guys and has them get up and down too much. Also a good manager doesn't bench players who produce and play someone who hasn't done anything in three years.We've had alot of young guys of recent, how many of them have improved under TC? How many have even regressed?  


mike23
mike23

@Doubleday @mike23 yeah I know he said he believes in them and what they are doing, how that is possible is beyond me. 

theglider
theglider

I agree. And yet every trade mentioned on here includes them, it Gee it Niese or Wheeler or Montero.

I know we have to give up someone to get quality but people on here want to get rid of everyone except deGrom. The comments when Colon or Wheeler or Dice-K pitches are unreal.

dooley
dooley

@Doubleday Not sure what you meant by quoting me on the "for years" part but just to clarify he has been on the Mets best prospect list since he was playing as a teenager (like Amed Rosario)

Mickey Jennifer Wind
Mickey Jennifer Wind

 @kefhrny17 his player usage and lineup orders are crazy.  how a clear thinking person hits cy 5 at this point is pure stupid

mike23
mike23

@theglider Flores knows SS, he just needs time to work there at the MLB level. He has looked pretty good in the field the time he has spent there so far as well. Problem is mets know what they are getting with Tejada, they've given him many seasons to get better and even in those two decent years, they weren't that good. 


How can you not think flores is the future at SS if he hasn't been given a fair chance to play there every day. Flores needs time to show what he can do now, he is the mets best hitting prospect right now and SS is open or it should be, let him play the rest of the season there starting so we know what we have, if he doesn't do well mets need a SS for next season from outside the organization. Let Tejada be backup at SS/2B. 

Doubleday
Doubleday

@theglider Who knows the position?  Flores was signed as a SS, and played there from 16-20, when they moved him to 3B, 2B, and 1B.  Now he is back at SS, his natural position.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@mike23 @Doubleday Who does Selig work for?  The owners.  As long as the other owners are content with the Mets not becoming a major market machine like the Yankees, Selig will support them.  Having another team in NY with a $200M salary and 50,000 fans a night is not in the best interests of the owners in St. Louis, Atlanta, or Milwaukee, where the team is owned by Selig's daughter.  We're talking about a group that tolerates Loria.  They're not going after the Wilpons.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@theglider The truth is, IF we are going to make a trade, it will have to be made from our strength, which happens to be pitching.  You have to give something to get something.  So, too, at the current rate, we will have eight or nine starting pitchers in 2015 - so sooner or later, it stands to reason that some of them will be traded to fill other needs.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@dooley Signed when he was 16, has outgrown AAA pitching and he's just 22.  What I was alluding to is - HE SHOULD BE PLAYING.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@mets2death Re-posting what I said at the bottom of my other thread on the subject (where the scouting reports are), as that comment scrolled to the second page: 

I'm not here to malign Tejada because he has been playing better lately, but at his best, Tejada is a table setter.  By contrast, Flores has been a run producer.  We get players on base (though I don't know how), our problem is driving them in.  So given this reality, doesn't it make sense to play a run producer over another table setter?


theglider
theglider

Absolutely. I like our pitching. Others on here make it clear they don't. They complain about Wheeler or Colon or Dice-K. They complain about who's leading off but never seem to offer a solution.

They are great at second guessing and great at complaining but never seem to offer an alternative. But they are quick to fire people and then wonder why nothing changes. By the way, where's Dave Hudgens?

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@theglider For the record I did not want Willie out or rejoice when he was fired, and its been downhill ever since. To say it would be the same without Collins is just not true. I can't be the only fan shouting at the tv all year when Collins makes an idiotic game call that always backfires in his face. I have kept a tally of games that Terry has clearly managed us into losses this year and I have counted 6, ironically the amount of games under .500 we are.