Will Chris Young and Curtis Granderson be busts for the Mets?

Michael Baron, Contributor

In his column for ESPN, Jim Bowden believes Mets OF Chris Young will be a bust for the Mets in 2014.

Chris Young 1“Young has been in rapid decline over the past four years, as his OBP dropped to a career-low .280 in 2013,” Bowden writes. “He still has 20-home run, 20-stolen base ability, but his low average and high strikeout rate mean he cannot be an effective everyday player.”

In addition, Bowden polled an American League General Manager about which new signing would be a bust in the upcoming season, to which he responded with OF Curtis Granderson.

“I think his power will be reduced to 20 home runs in that park and the strikeouts will be a problem with their thin lineup,” the GM said about Granderson. “I also think the player will begin his decline over the next year and a half.”

People can play this game all day. In the end, there’s no way to know how each will fare.

Now, these are certainly reasonable arguments. There’s no denying both Young and Granderson have holes in their games, and it’s fair to wonder how their games will translate to a pitchers park like Citi Field and arguably thinner lineups on a regular basis.

Curtis Granderson 2 (Baron)In regards to Young, I do agree with Bowden, but only if Young is misused and overexposed. Young probably shouldn’t be an everyday player until he proves otherwise. He could be best suited as a utility outfielder against left-handed pitching, as he has historically struggled against righties in his career. However, limiting Young’s exposure could help maximize his strengths while creating opportunities for players like Matt den Dekker or Eric Young Jr. against right-handed pitching.

As for Granderson, his home/road splits have been fairly even from a power perspective over the last few years. Still, between his age, his expected decline during the life of the contract, the park he’s going to play half his games in, along with his high strikeout rate, it could get difficult at times to watch Granderson over the next few years.

Nevertheless, he’s an upgrade and should have a greater ability to produce at his position than any of their holdovers from last year.


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165 comments
Herb Greenebaum
Herb Greenebaum

While this is speculation, I doubt that Granderson will ever be as productive as he was as a Yankee. Young was never that productive in the first place. But at least one can develop a rational for signing them. Keeping Tejada, who has demonstrated his inability to work or play at the major league level is simply unconscionable. Sadly, the biggest bust of all may be Sandy Alderson.

metfan8669
metfan8669

They have upside as well.  Would you like to be going into this year with Lagares, DenDecker, EY and Duda in the OF?  With no depth.

Young will be playing for his future contract, and that is always a good thing with a guy who has had success and in his prime.

I agree that Granderson will have to adjust his hitting approach, but he is a true major leaguer with a proven record of success and his athleticism does make him different than Bay.  Bay was not as versatile and without the green moster to hit fly balls off of was a terrible signing.  I definitely do not put Granderson into that same category of 1 dimensional player. 

However, the strike out rates are reason for concern.  But again, if he can hit without trying to hit 40 HRs he should find success.  If he can get back to being a doubles hitter he will be a huge success.   He definitely changed his approach while a Yankee.  I hope that he can revert, but like I argue, he is athletic and versatile.  I think he can pull that off.

SuperDuper
SuperDuper

I don't see Chris Young being a bust. How can a bum be considered a bust. oh his 7 million paycheck. never mind, he will be a bust. Granderson is guaranteed bust. this will be his decline yrs and that is after all the strikeouts and low average hitting in a potent Yankee lineup. Mets gave him Jason Bay money, wow.

lindro88
lindro88

Who knows what these guys will do. I'd rather have Young and Granderson than not have them. Both are talented guys who could have big years, or could be let downs. Sort of like 90% of the league.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

I think the bottom of the order needs protection, and in order to give them that you gotta sign a respectable hitting average or power hitting shortstop so EY/Lugares can lead off, or your shortstop has to be lead off guy so Granderson/ Young can't be pitched around so easily.

Daniel Roman
Daniel Roman

Pretty sure I remember Bowden being FOR the Chris Young move on MLB Radio (SiriusXM) at the time.  I could be wrong.

rico
rico

Guessing Bowden was lambasting Sandy for even having Byrd in camp last year, let alone making the team.  

Antonino Plaud
Antonino Plaud

I see Cy as a very exciting player for his powerful arm and his marvelous speed. There is no reason for him not to bounce back in a new enviroment. The ballpark is huge we all know that but they will play an additional 81 games elsewhere so no sweat. I think Grandy is a great player very good outfielder and thou the park he still can hit 35 homers easily if he is happy with the Mets. This year is a promising year even thou we ddon't count with Mr. Harvey but Montero and Synder may 'll make the Team out of the camp. Prediction: WE WILL GO TO THE POST SEASON, in 2014.

P.S. Please do not trade Ike unless you sign Morales and Drew.

Joe Wenzel
Joe Wenzel

They'll be fine - they're no Gary Matthews, Jr.

mike23
mike23

Mets set themselves up to have a few possible busts which would scare me if I was associated with this team or a fan. I mean Granderson is coming off injury, Chris Young has been pretty bad the past few seasons and Colon is 40 years old and not getting any younger. So, Yes I am concerned as a mets fan as these are the guys the organization brought in to bring a spark to the team and the fan base. I think instead of going after proven/healthy/young players the mets once again took the cheaper route and went that way in hope that things go positive but they very well could go the opposite direction and cause problems for the mets in 2014, guess we will see, hopefully it works out but the mets have set themselves up more towards fail. 

chasesimms
chasesimms

"He still has 20-home run, 20-stolen base ability, but his low average and high strikeout rate mean he cannot be an effective everyday player.”

Yet, here we are.   

bigdirty
bigdirty

even if we get the low end projected seasons, both guys are still up grades over what the team had last year. i know byrd had a very good year but he is 36 years old an got a 2 year deal. Grnaderson is a better all around palyer and has better power. 


my projection for grandy is 240/25hr/85rbi/80runs/30 2b/123b. In an ideal world grandy would bat in front of david in the 2 spot and use his speed to score runs. 


young is the great mystery. if he can be the reclaimation project byrd was, he can be a great value for this squad. 20hr/20sb/80 rbi is not a stretch. 

wingo43
wingo43

We just should've signed Byrd.    

wingo43
wingo43

Bowden's assessment is clearly the proverbial "glass half empty" perspective. Unfortunately, having been a Mets fan since '67, I have to agree.   Every time we obtain an American League hitter (going back to Carlos Baerga, Mo Vaughn, Robbie Alomar, Jason Bey, et al.), they stink up the place.  Then when you consider that each player has been on the decline, it's not unreasonable to come to this conclusion.

Wayno
Wayno

I feel Granderson can be like Cliff Floyd was back in the day. A great vet presence for a young team. The problem is this team isnt that young in position players. With needing a shortstop, 1b, right fielder, maybe still a second baseman, Grandy is a loss on this team.

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

We signed Byrd to a minor league deal after hitting 1 HR and 9 RBI with the Cubs in 153 AB and look how he turned out... CYoung has proven he can be a major league player back with the Diamondbacks. Its a wait and see process for Young. How did people view the Byrd signing? I bet Baron didn't think of that when he made his post. Since Baron seems to go off of statistics over the last few years, there was nothing suggesting Byrd would pan out the way he did for us and that looked AMAZING on our part. I bet C Young has a rebound year. He will be a starter, the Mets are clearly tight on money and we would not give a guy 7.25MM to platoon. 

Pauly Pins
Pauly Pins

chris young wont. 4 years granderson wow. haa

steve333
steve333

The Young signing was ludicrous.

Wouldn't the Mets be better off signing Drew at SS for 2-3 years than signing Young for $8 million?

Arroyo would have been a better choice than giving 40 yr old Colon 2 years as well

I know the Wilpons suck but I'm starting to think Alderson needs to be replaced. Not impressed with much of anything he's done since he's been here, except maybe 2 trades and the Granderson signing

supert
supert

If both Young and Granderson end up being busts the Wilpons' might never again sign another free agent.

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

If Baron thinks Young will be a platoon player, wouldnt $7.5MM for a platoon player be an "OVERPAY"? He should write that.

ughbeltran
ughbeltran

@SuperDuperI pretty much agree with you. Lets be nice to CYoung he's going to need all the support he can get. The thing with him is that its one year, our major issue is granderson at 4 years. I say he can give us one maybe two decent years but decent isnt good. You are pretty right on with the Jason Bay analogy. 

Jason Bay 4 years and 66 mil 

Granderson 4 years 60 mil

Granderson has a .143 avg with 1 Hr and 2 Rbis in 28 plate appearances at Citi.

Chris Young has a .171 avg with 0 Hr and 2 Rbis in 41 plate appearances at Citi.

Ohhh fudge

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@mike23 Granderson is coming off injury really? Did Wright not get hurt the last 2 seasons and miss some time? Everyone gets hurt.. its part of the game. That's a lame reason. As for Young, he's been proven to be a ML player when he was with the DBacks, so with him playing everyday he will only be better. Also Colon may be 40 years old, but he was 40 years old and won 18 games in the AL so again your reasoning is invalid. He may be getting old, but his stuff and command is still there... that's what people don't understand.

Antonino Plaud
Antonino Plaud

@mike23 Because, for good or bad they learned from the Angels pujols and Hamiltons!!!

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@bigdirty I agree with everything you said except the part of Grandy batting 2nd.. the only reason we signed him was to PROTECT Wright.. not get on base in front of him.. Murphy does fine with that does he not? After all he does seem to always have the most consistent BA on the entire team outside of Wright

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@wingo43 Do you think Byrd will perform like he did last year? I think most people including the FO know that will not happen

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@wingo43 I beg to differ.. Granderson is a proven NY player. Thats what makes him different from every single one of those guys you named.

zoddie
zoddie

@wingo43John Olerud would beg to disagree.  Delgado helped get us to the NLCS.  "Every time" is a bit silly.

zoddie
zoddie

@Wayne Martiak JrAn upgrade at SS would be nice, but the Mets are set at 2b.  Hopefully Puello can man RF.  Until he does, some combo of Chris Young, Eric Young, den Dekker, Captain Kirk, and Andrew Brown will have to do.  And we have 2621 guys to play first (Ike, Duda, Satin, Wilmer, Lutz...)

Wayno
Wayno

Yes there was with Byrd. It was called steroids!!!

zoddie
zoddie

@steve333If the question is Drew at 3 years/$36m then the answer is probably Chris Young.  If the answer is 2 years/$20 million, the answer may be BOTH guys.


Colon > Arroyo.  Arroyo wants more years.  We don't need more years with the way our young pitchers are performing in the minors.


I have more trust in Sandy than I've had in any Mets GM in a while.  He seems to get it.

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@steve333 Colon won 18 games last year in the AL. Um what? Drew is not worth what he was asking and everyone knows that except you. Alderson needing to be replaced is ludicrous, not the Mets signing Young hoping he would be another Byrd. Hes traded Beltran for Wheeler, and Dickey for Thor and d'Arnaud and signed Granderson. He could never do anything because of the bad contracts that held him down and the Wilpons giving him no spending money. He's made some smart under the table deals for relief pitchers such as Ryan Reid and Vic Black. Care to go on for why he should be replaced? People have said he has a chance at GM of the year........

Gland1
Gland1

If starting star free agent OFs go for 15mil plus wouldn't that make sense if a platoon OF costs about 7.5million?

Bud Britton
Bud Britton

@ughbeltran@SuperDuperbig difference in Bay vs. Grandy, at time of Bay's signing he was payed elite player money. Grandy is getting payed middle of the road to all star money. Yeah I know it's only 5 years ago but still a big difference.


Wayno
Wayno

Puello??? Really?? And just listing guys at 1b doesnt mean anything to me none of them can play. Murphy has been average but i think playing over his head defensively, that could change. This team is a wheeler arm injury from 60 wins!!

Gland1
Gland1

@John McNamara @Steven Matregrano I don't understand your point about Chicago.  He had a couple of decent seasons there that were in line with his career averages.  Then in 2012 he only played 13 games there before being traded to Boston and then being suspended after testing positive for PEDs.   What's the connection between last year's career season and Chicago's "dysfunction"?  

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@Wayne Martiak Jr You're right but he wasn't on them at the time he was performing for us. Do I think it had a large influence? Sure I do but also he was clean for the entire 2013 season and did pay his time via suspension

SuperDuper
SuperDuper

@Bud Britton@ughbeltran@SuperDuper  Bay came off a good yr in Boston. Curtis came off an injured yr with the Yankees. 6 mill less so its middle of the road money for a 32yr old? In the mets lineup, Curtis is getting elite money.

Wayno
Wayno

Again ur disillusional, i said defensively not batting. And did Orioles make that trade, or any team that we tried to get ike for some good player. Sandy is a moron, afraid to not make a no-brainer move. This guy needed to get a ss, and 1b and came nowhere near one.

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@Wayne Martiak Jr Murphy has not been average.. hes been above average hitting wise and only getting better defensively! Hes our most consistent hitter outside of Wright and seems to always be flirting with batting .300


You want proof? If he was average, we would not be asking the Orioles for Dylan Bundy. 

zoddie
zoddie

@Kevin Connelly@Gland1I don't think you understand how platoons work.


The 1986 Mets and the Rays of the last few years would disagree with your conclusion.

Gland1
Gland1

@Kevin Connelly @Gland1 It doesn't have to be precisely equal.  But the point is that it's not an overpay anymore, that's the going rate for players like that.  If you think it's an overpay, what do you think the price should have been?