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Report: Montero will start tomorrow in place of deGrom

The Mets will call on Triple-A starter Rafael Montero to pitch on Tuesday, in place of Jacob deGrom, according to beat reporter Adam Rubin (ESPN NY, August 11).

Terry Collins said on Monday morning that if deGrom’s injury holds him out of only one start, the team could use Buddy Carlyle for a spot start.

Montero was 0-2 with a 5.40 ERA, including 17 strike outs in 20 innings, spanning four starts earlier this season for the Mets.

DeGrom was scratched from Tuesday’s start with shoulder soreness. He will be seen by doctors on Monday in New York (MetsBlog, August 10).




113 comments
Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

And why is the booth reporting that tomorrow night's starter still hasn't been determined?

zingzangzo
zingzangzo

Montero should replace Carlyle in relief spot. He'll make a great longer relief spot pitcher for now! Noah needs to come up for Jon Neice who should get some work on his pitches at the 51's for a month! It's Syndergard Time!! Like to see us send Tejada down for the same amount of time for Allan Dykstra chance at relieving Duda every other day in late inning at bats for a couple of weeks! Hey you never know!! Let's go Met's!!

gts41
gts41

Noah will be here soon enough. what's the fuss or rush. I'm sure we all agree that Montero is a better choice than Buddy Caryle or Torres

ponzies86
ponzies86

If montero pitches better then expected then Niese or Gee should feel nervous

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

Syndergaard is still learning how to pitch in AAA. There's no reason to bring him a level higher before he figures it out. The guy was able to blow people away with his fastball when he got in trouble his entire career -- from Mansfield high through low A ball through to AA. This year he's finding out that at the AAA level, you can't just blow people away anymore. 


The kid is 21 years old with an ERA at 4.79 and a WHIP at 1.54 because he is finding out you can't just rely on a 97mph heater when you are behind in the count, and it's going to take him some in-game experience to learn how to trust his secondary pitches in those spots. Asking him to take the jump from AAA to MLB without figuring that out yet is insanity. The big leaguers would tee off on him.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

A good time to take a look at another young arm.  Give deGrom a rest, play some kids, get ready for next season.  Everyone sit back, relax, have a beer and watch baseball.  I wish the Mets "brain trust" would come up with a coherent message regarding direction.  One set of moves says they want to make a run (like having a pitcher throw for weeks with a hernia), other moves indicate they've written this season off and are preparing for next (finally DFAing CY and Abreu).  This isn't rocket science.  IMHO, this team doesn't have the makeup to go on a 9-1 run.  I can only speculate that the schizoid directives are coming from Fredo, depending on when the psychotropics kick in.  It's the constant guessing that gets everyone's shorts in a knot. 

ewildcat7
ewildcat7

So, if Mejia to the DL is the corresponding move, that does not look good for the front office.  From what Mejia said yesterday, he and the team have known about the hernia for several weeks.  And the Drs said he can pitch with it without causing any further damage.


So, if he goes on the DL now, that means it is ONLY as a result of the hernia being made public.  I am sure the front office is not happy that it was the player who announced the hernia and not them.

Daniel Diffin
Daniel Diffin

Odd that they are calling on Montero instead of Syndergaard, since Thor is scheduled for a Tuesday start in Vegas. But, whatever. Nice to see one of the youngins gets the start instead of Torres, who has done a nice job in long relief, but is clearly not in the team's long-range plans.

1harris1
1harris1

Collins supposedly insisted today that Montero's not coming up if deGrom is only missing one start.  Why does it seem that he's always the last one to know what's going on with this team?


Error on the side of caution and don't be stupid with deGrom.  Keep him out for a couple of weeks and bring up Montero or Syndergaard.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

Rest deGrom from two starts to rest his shoulder. Since he is close to his pitch limit lets not push him into an arm injury. Why not bring up Syndergaard for a look see. Give him a taste of playing in a MLB game. A healthy deGrom is needed to compete for a playoff spot next season.

gts41
gts41

Montero absolutely the right call at this time he has a little major league experience plus he's been pitching well last couple AAA starts. I liked his stuff and composure 1st time around. Remember every young pitcher takes time. If we judged every pitcher or player on his 1st  20 starts or 1st 200 ABs we'd be wrong 95% of the time. Gotta have patience with young players.

Doubleday
Doubleday

Here is what I don't get: Announcement of Jake's sore shoulder came on the heels of Sandy's proclamation - which was reported right here in MetsBlog - that the team "brain trust" was considering allowing deGrom to keep pitching past Dan Warthen's inane innings limit, if we were in a wild card hunt. Did Sandy not have a clue about Jake's sore shoulder? Did anyone?

Daniel Poinsett
Daniel Poinsett

Listen, Montero is probably a Torres type of pitcher. He really doesnt have a putaway pitch and isnt really overpowering. I wanted to see Noah just as a sign of hope after maybe seeing Degrom get a serious arm injury. 

David Gawkowski
David Gawkowski

@DarrolRayFanClub Syndergaard should be the call. We've seen that Montero really doesn't have an out pitch yet. Look past Thor's era and see that his K/bb ratio is really good. With a better defense and out of the hitter's environment, he's going to be good. And, better than Montero. 

hashburry
hashburry

@DarrolRayFanClub There is no place here for your rational thoughts!  Either get on the "Thor needs to start for my personal well being" or get out!

nagel100
nagel100

@Daniel Diffin not that odd.  montero is pitching well and Noah is not.   they both should pitch this year in order to see what we have for next.

hashburry
hashburry

@MetsFan1962 Maybe wait for the MRI and see if it is something that needs rest before deciding how to replace him?  May need to be replaced indefinitely, hopefully not.

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@MetsFan1962 He doesn't need a taste at 21 and still learning. Backman and even Syndergaard himself said last week that he was not ready yet -- no need to rush him.

Daniel Diffin
Daniel Diffin

@Doubleday DeGrom said the shoulder thing just developed after his last start. He didn't give any indication that it had been brewing for a while--so, no, I don't think anyone knew about this beforehand. Unless they are clairvoyant, that is.

hashburry
hashburry

@Doubleday You should listen to deGrom's comments.  He just told them the day after his last start.  And why is an innings limit inane?  Do you seriously thing that is Warthen's call?  Do you want them to run him out there for 220 innings when he has never taxed his arm like that before? 

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@Doubleday  deGrom said he first felt sore the day after his last start. Since Sandy's proclamation came at the beginning of the month, I'm sure he didn't know anything about a sore shoulder.

James
James

@Doubleday By on the heels of it came after another start and 3 days later, so yes I think he was unaware of that at the time.  Depending on the severity of the skipping his start, it may still be true.

hashburry
hashburry

@Daniel Poinsett So when Syndergaard comes up, even though he has admitted himself he probably needs more time, starts his arbitration clock for no good reason, gets sent back down, what exactly is the benefit?  Oh right, you need a sign of hope.

1harris1
1harris1

@Daniel Poinsett  I think Montero has a lot more upside than just being akin to Carlos Torres.  He even had a 10 strikeout game during one of his starts while he was up here (it seemed his "put away" ability was fine that day).  Just needs an extended opportunity to start regularly on the major league level.

lindro88
lindro88

Noah doesn't seem to want to pitch up here yet. Did you read his comments? Would you bring up a kid who says he probably isn't ready? It's one meaningless game. Montero was being touted as part of the future. I wouldn't throw him in the Carlos Torres class just yet.

hashburry
hashburry

@David Gawkowski @DarrolRayFanClub Not another "Monter doesn't have an out pitch" advocate!  How did he get through the minors?  How did he strike out 10 batters the first time he came up?  Since when does pinpoint control of a 90+ mph fastball not translate to an out pitch?  Stop already.

ponzies86
ponzies86

Why not give Montero a second chance? He is older and if he pitches well the Mets can use him for trade bait.

ewildcat7
ewildcat7

@mustang66 I was not in any way saying that they were negligent in dealing with Mejia.  But we all know that this Front Office does not like their issues being handled in the media.

David Gawkowski
David Gawkowski

@nagel100 @Daniel Diffin Noah actually did have 3 good starts before one bad one. His K to BB ratio is better than Montero's at more than 3 to 1. Montero walks a batter more per 9 this year than Thor. Thor should be the call, he's got better peripherals and his stuff will play better up here. Remember, Harvey didn't light it up in AAA either and he was in the International League. 

Doubleday
Doubleday

So we send every guy with a pulled muscle for an MRI? Sorry, I don't believe Jake's sore shoulder came up out of nowhere. He would have been receiving treatment in the trainer's room for a couple of weeks, before elevating it to an MRI.

Daniel Poinsett
Daniel Poinsett

@1harris1 Well guess what. He's the 7th best pitching option we have. If he's not gonna pitch in the bullpen he's gonna pitch for someone else next year

Daniel Poinsett
Daniel Poinsett

@lindro88 ya I'm sure he wouldn't want to pitch in the major leagues. Are you joking? Player interviews in sports are the biggest wastes of time. They never say anything important and always say the right thing. He would beg on his knees to pitch in the major leagues tomorrow if they let him. Don't be naive

hashburry
hashburry

@Doubleday Thanks for the inside knowledge.  deGrom certainly doesn't sound like the kind of kid who would get in front of a microphone and make up stories.  But keep the conspiracy theories coming.

Michael Jacoutot
Michael Jacoutot

@Doubleday  It's pretty simple.  we aren't winning after losing the Giants and Nats series.  That was the season.  If your #1 pitcher (recently) says his shoulder is sore, SHUT HIM DOWN.  It's not hard. 

nncyel
nncyel

@Doubleday Great, let's draw conclusions based upon pure and utter speculation. No facts necessary. Seems like a normal day on SNY Mets Blog.

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@Daniel Poinsett @hashburry It's not just about injury. If it was, Miami's #2 overall pick Tyler Kolek, who throws 102 and is the best prospect in this year's draft, would be pitching for the Marlins tomorrow.


Every pitcher takes a few years to develop. Why are you so gung ho to rush ours up?

jamets
jamets

@Daniel Poinsett @1harris1  You seem to have really bad information on Montero. Maybe the scouting reports you read are on a different guy.  He has a great shot of winning a spot in the rotation for next year.     In the long run, he'll be better than Gee, Niese and probably deGrom.  Right now, he's ahead of Syndergaard.

1harris1
1harris1

@Daniel Poinsett @1harris1  Says who?  You?


You may be ultimately right about where he fits depth wise, but he's their best option for Tuesday.  Worry about next year during the offseason.

hashburry
hashburry

@Daniel Poinsett @lindro88 And thanks for your professional opinion on Montero's repertoire.  He basically threw a shutout with 10 Ks his first game up, so I guess you are right, no put away stuff.  Stop already.

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@Daniel Poinsett @lindro88 Wanting to pitch in the majors and being ready mentally and physically are different things. Plus, Wally Backman was quoted in the same article that he was not ready yet. Why rush a 21 year old to the show? I don't see the point.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@hashburry @Doubleday As someone who actually played the game, and ended up having a shoulder injury and rotator cuff surgery, I know the drill.

Daniel Poinsett
Daniel Poinsett

@hashburry @Daniel Poinsett The problem is the average fan is a moron. If your opinion  is universally liked, its probably dumb and stupid. If someone thinks Montero is gonna be better than degrom at this point and you think im wrong for doubting that, well i don't know what to tell you

1harris1
1harris1

@jamets @Daniel Poinsett @1harris1  We obviously don't know how good he is, and from what I've seen deGrom's stuff is better.  But Montero still looks like he could be a quality starter in the major leagues. 

anymos
anymos

You know the drill for you at whatever level you made it to. You don't know the drill for a top young pitcher in major leagues. When someone at that level complains about a shoulder, they dont treat it with ice and keep running him out there. They get the MRI done immediately rule out anything major.

jamets
jamets

@Daniel Poinsett @jamets  You are crazy if you think 4 major league starts by Montero has changed any scout's opinion of him in any significant way.


Even deGrom's 16 starts probably hasn't changed opinions all that much.  Although I'm sure it has caused some people to take a second look to try to figure out what they might have missed in their evaluations of him.

1harris1
1harris1

@Daniel Poinsett @1harris1  Can't argue with you there.  I wonder if they're caught up with preserving Noah's "Super 2" status now that it's August?  Hope not.