Who is the PTBNL in the Ike Davis trade?

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The Mets recently traded Ike Davis to the Pirates for minor-league RHP Zack Thornton and a player to be named later.

The player to be named later will be “pretty significant,” columnist Jon Heyman wrote the day of the deal (CBS Sports, Apr. 18).

The buzz last week had been that the player coming from the Pirates was likely drafted with a top pick last June, and most likely a position player, which is why the teams must wait to announce his name. I’m holding out hope it’s OF Austin Meadows, but I’d say there is little-to-no-chance of that happening. The kid is terrific.

Instead, there is heavy speculation surrounding 22-year-old Pirates OF Jacoby Jones, who was taken with Pittsburgh’s third pick last summer.


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“Jones has long intrigued scouts because of his raw tools, body and athleticism,” prospect reporter Jonathan Mayo wrote last year (MiLB.com, Oct. 2013). “Jones can flat-out run and he has some definite extra-base potential.”

In the event Pittsburgh is sending over a pitcher, most insiders link Alderson and Paul DePodesta to 18-year-old RHP prospect Neil Kozikowski, whom they reportedly scouted last year. He was drafted with Pittsburgh’s eighth pick last summer.

Alderson recently told team beat reporter Mike Vorkunov that the Mets essentially got the same return in trade as they would have gotten this past winter (Star-Ledger, Apr. 21). In January, the Mets had reportedly been seeking a top pitching prospect in return for Davis, with names ranging from Pirates for RHP Nick Kingham to Orioles LHP Eduardo Rodriguez.

I assume Pittsburgh instead decided to give up two lesser players (one established, but with a low ceiling (Thornton), the other a work-in-progress, but a higher ceiling). I’m OK with that as a framework for a return, considering Alderson needed to anoint Duda and give Davis a change of scenery before his value dropped any further than it already had.




120 comments
Brandon Andersen
Brandon Andersen

The Mets are like the Jets. The Jets only seem to care about defense and the Mets only seem to care about pitching. Do these organizations realize that you need BOTH to win? 


Back in 2006 we had a good rotation, solid bullpen and we got 38 HR from Delgado, 42 HR from Beltran, a .310 average from Lo Duca, a .300+ 25 HR year from Wright, a good year from Reyes, etc. etc. 


We have Wright. That's it. David Wright is our offense. To a lesser extent Murphy. But that's it people. If this organization doesn't capitalize on a top 5 rotation in the MLB next year with all young studs in their prime and spend a ton of money and use creative trades to get tons of hitting (average and power), then I am done being a fan of this team. Spend some money. We are a NEW YORK team. 

ac0814
ac0814

What if it's Ike Davis? Do we have a no return policy?

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

If Grandy is going to hit .240 with 17 hrs and 60 rbis ..hes not protecting Wright in the order.

Edmahn
Edmahn

Gregory Polanco.


If only.

nymetsrule
nymetsrule

Can someone tell me why they do PTBNL? Why can't they just name the player? Is there some sort of agreement that the Pirates get to keep the player longer? What if that player gets injured before they send him over to the Mets and the Pirates already have Ike? How does this work/why do they do it?

dv92
dv92

Imagine if the PTBNL was Austin Meadows... One can only dream.

Sean Matrai
Sean Matrai

Nate Mc Clouth


o wait he isnt on the piartes anymore THANK GODDD

Sean Matrai
Sean Matrai

I bet it is jacoby jones, and if so I would be happy.


No way is it Austin Meadows, I would think that the Pirates would be too stupid to trade him.

dannym28
dannym28

Any chance of Alen Hanson?

qualcomm
qualcomm

I can't believe he got a 3rd round pick for him... that's insane.  Why not send Ike to Vegas then? What value are we going to get from a 3rd round pick with speed as his big tool?   Alderson is too smart for that.

hankincolo
hankincolo

I'd prefer the most big league ready outfielder they have.

Lucas Ribeiro
Lucas Ribeiro

The mets should start to talk about trades with Arizona. They have 3 good SS (Owings, Pennington and Polanco) and they need pitchers. The mets have available pitchers (Montero, Degron, Fulmer, Verret, Familia, Matsusaka) and mets need a SS. 

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

I remember when Milledge was drafted they talked about how his bat speed was similar to Gary Sheffield......that worked real well.

Brett Fox
Brett Fox

there's 0% chance it's austin meadows

Andy
Andy

Bag of wiffle balls.

drmetfan
drmetfan

I'll be surprised if the PTBNL is indeed of significance. All these kids drafted last year, we don't know what they will end up being. As it is with every other prospect it is a hit or miss situation.

The Pirates will not send the Mets a top 3 or 4 prospect.

grillruben
grillruben

Do we really need another project that's 3 plus years away? We need ML ready bats and we need them now! Bobby Abreu is starting today!

weaponlex
weaponlex

@nymetsrule They've already agreed in terms to a deal.  Its just that the player has to have a calendar year of mlb service before he can be included in a trade. 

Brian McCarthy
Brian McCarthy

We have owners named Wilpons, plus 3million back.

mustang66
mustang66

you're not taking into account the three and a half million that they are saving from his contract. To me this is just as important to them as the play is a get back in return

nashbo
nashbo

@qualcomm  he has been batting around .200 for a few years now, striking out often and not hitting for enough power.  Would you trade anything above a 3rd rounder for a guy like that?  No, neither would any owner in the MLB.  This is what Ike was worth.

fakefans
fakefans

The poisonous environment created by so-called fans like you might have something to do with why our biggest signings sometimes struggle here.

cj1786
cj1786

@brian2740 What about Syndergaard, D'arnaud, Wheeler etc?  These were all players the Mets have gotten back in trades recently?  You don't think they were good acquisitions given who we traded to get them?  Or will you just keep pointing to Granderson and Jason Bay as a reason to complain about everything? 

cj1786
cj1786

@drmetfan But that doesn't mean the players don't have alot of upside. We are likely talking about a player drafted less than a year ago. These players generally don't fall on the top of each teams prospect lists right away.  Take Dom Smith, the Mets top pick last year.  Scouts speak very highly of him but hes only ranked the Mets maybe 6 or 7th best prospect, but thats only because he is far away. 

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

We got help now from the reliever then sent us. Unless it's a shortstop I'm ok w the prospect being a couple years away

cj1786
cj1786

@grillruben When you are in the position the Mets are (not likely to contend this year) you get the most vale you can from a trade, regardless of what level the talent is at.  You generally don't make trades to address immediate needs until the team is closer to winning. 

dv92
dv92

@grillruben  Depth never hurts. I agree we need help now, but it never hurts to have good youth in the organization

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

@mattisadrunk @nymetsruleIf the PTBL got hurt? Well you can't trade a player on the DL. So they would either wait longer until he came off the DL or if it was a serious injury pick another player or players of similar value. I think the only way the trade could be undone is if the Pirates can show the Mets knew Ike was injured when the traded him and didn't disclose it

Sean Matrai
Sean Matrai

@cj1786 @drmetfan  Keith Law actually listed smith as the 39th best prospect in baseball. That is too high even for the tools he has.

grillruben
grillruben

@cj1786

Ok so if that's how this team is operating why is Montero in the minors? Why did we sign Chris Young? Why is Flores in AAA?And so on. Pick a strategy and stick with it. I agree with you that they're not going to contend, but if that's the case then let the kids play. 

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@dv92 @grillruben  I'd take it one notch higher. Not only does it not hurt to have good youth in the organization, but good youth is, in fact, the main driver of long-term success and the one thing upon which the next winning Mets team depends.

cj1786
cj1786

@grillruben @cj1786I really don't see what Chris young has to do with this topis at all.  He was a free agent signed to a one year deal.  And the reason Flores is in AAA is because he's working on playing SS again.  He's not ready to play SS every day yet.  If he gets to that point, he will replace Tejada immediately. 

qualcomm
qualcomm

@anymos @grillruben@Jay Cross@dv92I'll say that.  Ike went 30/90 against major league pitching and is under 30.  He has only not hit because he hasn't been allowed to get consistent at bats...  

The prospect they got back was 3 million dollars.

grillruben
grillruben

@anymos

No one ever said that. I'm just simply not going to get excited about or put faith in a player that is 3 plus years away from contributing. 

My issue is that it doesn't look like we got much for Davis. Given that info and the fact that they went with Duda despite him doing nothing to outright win the position battle, I think they should have just handed Duda the spot from the get go and got rid of Davis in Spring Training.

Lastly I'm just going to add that I don't think Davis was ever going to succeed with the Mets, and neither him or Duda were long term solutions. However, Davis has much more upside.