Wheeler is pitching a lot, with good results, but looking fatigued

In his last six starts, Zack Wheeler is 6-0 with a 2.12 ERA and 57 strikeouts in 63 2/3 innings, during which opponents are batting .215 against him.

Wheeler Pre Game

He picked up his ninth win of the season Wednesday against the A’s, despite being charged with four runs (two earned) and four hits, while walking four and striking out three, in 5 2/3 innings.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Yet again, he looked like he was struggling to find his ‘best stuff,’ which I’m sure wasn’t helped by coming off a 120-pitch outing with less rest than usual rest in his last start. Nevertheless, he stayed relaxed, didn’t come undone, and he settled down after getting a bit rattled mid-outing. That said, I’m glad Terry took him out…

Look, the Mets are not making playoffs. I realize Wheeler isn’t on a strict innings-limit this season, but he’s still young and he’s been laboring these last 8-10 starts, often throwing a lot of pitches, in tough spots, and working through games without his best stuff. They are ‘stressful innings,’ as they say. And, if there is a way to limit his work a bit, the Mets should probably do it, considering his delivery and workload, and given what we now know about arm stress, pitching with fatigue and injury.




34 comments
Bob Seltsam
Bob Seltsam

Sometimes Matt write stuff just to fill space, this article is totally ridiculous, Wheeler is 25 and not fatigued, just young and inexperienced.  He is getting better with each start so lets enjoy the ride as he turns into that dominate pitcher envisioned when we trade for him a few years ago.

jenkins
jenkins

This is totally wrong. Wheeler is not fatigued. He just loses concentration  and then location. Still, he's missing the strike zone INSTEAD OF missing WITHIN the strike zone, as he did early in the year-which led to HRs and generally more runs.


He warmed up right in front of me yesterday and looked completely rested, loose and confident. He's a star in the making. Leave him alone.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

That's interesting Wheeler looks fatigued. What can you say about the rest of the team? To me, the team looks like it ran out of gas with no fuel in sight.

bigdirty
bigdirty

I like the idea of going to a 6 man rotation when degrom comes back. Wheeler pitches less but gets his work in..

Or just skip wheeler or give him extra rest.. I really want wheeler to work through a complete year. He needs to know how to work through an entire year.. Also he wasn't helped by some shoddy defense at 2nd yesterday

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

The game has changed so much. Umps are not playing to the pitchers, they're coddling hitters (and I'll throw David Wright into the mix with his cinching his gloves between every pitch - it's as bad as watching Pelfrey lick his fingers), they need to call strikes, keep the hitters in the box, and stop with the drawn out, "quality" AB's forcing up pitch counts and wasting time.


I agree that Wheeler has lacked his "best stuff" a little too frequently but, honestly, the way the game has gone is as much to blame for affecting his pitch count, and all pitch counts.



Adam David
Adam David

" In his last six starts, Zack Wheeler is 6-0 with a 2.12 ERA and 57 strikeouts in 63 2/3 innings"


I don't remember a time when a pitcher averaged 10+ innings per start over a 6 start span.  That's pretty impressive.

darren
darren

How has he pitched 63 2/3innings in 6 games?  Didn't know he pitched 6 complete games plus another 9 and 2/3 innings in only 6 games!

Leif Granlind
Leif Granlind

Shut him down, make him ready for next year. Limits injury risk too. 

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

Just look at the past seasons and the amount to TJ surgeries and the redo of TJ surgeries, and you can see that innings limits and pitch counts mean very little.

I think elbows failing at record rates because of speed guns and the weight rooms where young players are looking for that extra 5 mph.

A question for so older Mets fans, do you know how fast Seaver's, Koosman's and Matlock's fastballs were? Back then all that mattered was that it was faster than your curveball.

Brian P. Mangan
Brian P. Mangan

The next month and a half is very, very important.  Wheeler has been taxed a lot this year by TC trying to get him to "tough it out" and finish innings and starts.

It's reckless to keep pushing him in a lost year.  Kid gloves for Wheeler and Familia now and Mejia shut down altogether. Call up Thor, call up Logan Verrett, leave Montero in the bigs. 

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

LOL @ cerone his last tthree articles.  WHeeler is on a Roll, I like what Im seeing from Wheeler even in bad starts' to "he is fatigued its time to rest him"

BerryBeltran
BerryBeltran

I am in my 4th season of fatigue...lets hope it is not a fifth next season. I am extremely skeptical of the desire of the owners to put a winning product out there. On pace to win 74 games again..should there not be some gradual improvement?

j0sHi328
j0sHi328

Might as well let him take Sept. Off and let Thor pitch in his spot

ventura_4
ventura_4

The main problem I have with this is, when/if the time comes where the Mets need these guys to pitch 7+ innings in September & October; they're not going to be used to doing so.

I say let em' pitch. I feel Wheeler should have finished that inning.

James
James

Easy answer, hope Montero pitches well and go to a 6 man rotation, don't we do a 6 man every year around this time?

golsf
golsf

These young pitchers (and even veterans) should have a pitch limit of approximately 100 per start.  This Mets coaching team will burn out these young arms by running them far over that.  Al Leiter's career was derailed for years when the Yankees had him throw 130+ pitches in a game with a rain delay.


Not worth ruining young arms for a team not even in a playoff race...

DMA1968
DMA1968

The "that said" comment is like nails on a blackboard already.  THAT SAID, with the amount of pitches he's throwing for a team that the playoffs again this season, we can feel safe that Tommy John surgery is coming in 3,....2.....1.......

hashburry
hashburry

That said, he gets an extra day off with the Mets having 2 off days.  But don't let the facts get in the way.

Steve Musicant
Steve Musicant

Matt, truly, stop saying "that said".  Think of another way to say it.

hashburry
hashburry

Laboring his last 10 starts?  You mean the last 10 the Mets have won?  And he's gotten a W in 6?  OK, solid analysis.

hashburry
hashburry

Introducing a new drinking game  Take a shot every time Cerrone writes "that said".  Drunk by dinner time!

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

This is the most ridiculous outdated "old school" drivel. I'm sure the 4 days wheeler isnt pitching he just sits aroud eating Chinese food drinking coronas

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@bigdirty They have the off day today and an off day Monday. I think they will be fine.

matmil
matmil

Seaver was maybe 92 but it had late movement up. Koosman would only throw his hardest when he needed it. Maybe 90. Matlack was faster than Koos. But he also had late movement.

BerryBeltran
BerryBeltran

@2ndhalffun and it is not much different this season...two years latter and really no improvement

stemog
stemog

@hashburry Hi, my name's Bob and I'm an alcoholic ... but only when the Mets play.

hankincolo
hankincolo

@Jayson Love Corona, that weak p*ss? Try a Tsingtao or try wine, like a Gwertzstraminer, or even a Zinfindel. 

koos69
koos69

I'm 52 and continue to pitch every week hardball wood bat with no pitch count, throw zillions of breaking pitches and have never hurt my arm. These kids are so coddled that they don't build up the strength to throw complete games. It's totally ridiculous. Wheeler's throwing well and he's learning to pitch while winning at the MLB level. Don't change a thing.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@hankincolo @Jayson Love Yes something tells me Wheeler on even $500,000 MLB minimum is doing better than fing Corona's!!! LOL