What’s on tap for Thursday, July 24

The Mets (48-53) will make the final stop on their three-city road trip in Milwaukee on Thursday when they’ll start a four-game series with the Brewers (57-45) at 8:10 pm ET.

Dillon Gee (4-2, 2.92 ERA) will start for the Mets against Brewers RHP Matt Garza (6-7, 4.04).


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Bartolo Colon lost a no-hit bid in the seventh-inning, but the Mets held on to beat the Mariners, 3-2, Wednesday afternoon.


The Mets are trying hard to trade Colon (Knobler, July 22), and the Giants have expressed interest (ESPN Deportes, July 22). Interested teams are asking the Mets to pay a portion of Colon’s $11 million salary for 2015, according to columnist Joel Sherman (NY Post, July 23). However, Sandy Alderson would prefer not to do that (Carig, July 22).


Ruben Tejada was hit in the head with a fastball in the fifth inning. He showed no concussion symptoms after the game and flew with the team to Milwaukee after the game.


Curtis Granderson missed his second straight game Wednesday with “flu-like symptoms.”




74 comments
Kevin John
Kevin John

If the mets are valued at 1.2 billion, why wouldn't the Wilpons sell the team? You think they would if they were broke. Unless they are just pulling our d's

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

So the Rangers got 2 good young arms for Soria a good closer  who is also a TJ surgery recovered pitcher....we should be able to get one good prospect for Colon without paying any of Colons salary..Has to be a team out there desperate for a starter.

Travis Rush
Travis Rush

They need to cut Chris Young yesterday and bench Tejada tomorrow. These guys are not everyday major leaguers. End of story. Bring up Flores and give him the rest of the season. They are not making the playoffs this year. Dump Colon through a trade ideally or just release him to shed salary as Matt suggested. Let's see SA make these moves in the next week and then we'll have more than promises and hang with 'ems. Everyday that CY is in the lineup is one more day I have no faith in the overall management and direction of this organization.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

To all the people who keep saying the Wilpons have money to spend and keep blaming SA for not spending it, read this.


http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2014/05/8545203/reminder-mets-problems-come-very-top


Bottom line;


SA has to deal with ownership constantly moving the payroll numbers around on what he can spend. 

Ownership is broke and using their SNY profits just to maintain the debt costs.

What happens when the 600M comes due next year on SNY

Selig used this same scenario to force McCourt out but won't to his buddy Wilpon.


Sorry but to think this team can "open the checkbook" is burying your head in the sand.


joe21
joe21

I may be unduly providing them with the benefit of doubt on payroll, but I do think they do and will have (some) resources (not much) to invest. the existing payroll reflects a knowledge that there is little coming off the books and a steady increase over the next 3-5 years on raises and Arb, so I think Sandy only has one decent size contract to offer and is waiting for the right play. the payroll will organically increase to around the $115-120M range over the next 2-4 years and if you add in one acquisition, it could easily get to $130M and that will certainly be more than FW can afford if they don't increase tix sales.


if you extend DM and then start having to pay Arb increases to the Harvey, Wheeler, Meija, deGrom, Duda, and Familia, it could amount to $25-30M pretty quickly

hankypanky
hankypanky

The last time a Met player flew on a plane after getting a concussion it ruined his career. For Tejada's sake I hope the medical staff knew what it was doing. I doubt if a concussion, no matter how mild, can be properly diagnosed in such a short time.

For_Sale
For_Sale

The Mets are never eligible for the Competitive Balance Lottery because they are not amongst the lowest revenue franchise nor smallest markets, yet we spend like we are one.  Ownership your unwillingness to invest in payroll is screwing you on both sides.  

If the Mets aren't lying when they say they have money to spend if needed, then why can't we pay some of Colon's salary next year. If the Wilpons actually have money, we can get much better prospect(s) just by eating some of his salary.

Chris Kujawa
Chris Kujawa

Whatever side you may be on (Tejada/Flores/etc.) can we all just take a moment to be happy Jordany Valdespin is nowhere near the organization or conversation

theglider
theglider

We have a backup at short in Campbell. While he's not ideal he will do as an emergency for one day. If someone is needed for longer they can join the club the next day.

It's not like we have no options. They're limited but they are there.

Leif Granlind
Leif Granlind

If we make the second wild card spot... Would you have Harvey pitch that game...?

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

~One of these things is not like the other, one of these things is not the same....~


There's only one team on this updated WC standings list that doesn't belong....any guesses which one? and why?

Chris Kujawa
Chris Kujawa

So does Tejada have a concussion? Will there be a roster move? Was anyone pulled from the AAA game last night?

nymetsrule
nymetsrule

@Kevin John The Wilpon's personal worth of over half a billion dollars is not in danger. They aren't selling the team because the team's disastrous finances are not impacting their personal lives.

For_Sale
For_Sale

@Kevin John Because they are baseball romantics.  It is their true love, even more than money.  If they can stay a float, hope for some breaks they think they can come out on top  Obviously wishful thinking.  Someone call Mark Cuban, we need a new owner.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Kevin John From what I can see the Met's are valued at 800M according to Forbes. SNY is valued at 2B and the Wilpons own approx. 65% of that. So the Wilpons "value" in the two is approx. 2.3B.

Their problem is the over $1B in debt (according to Forbes) they have incurred and maintaining that debt cost. 

They may be forced to sell their share in SNY depending on if someone is willing to refinance the 600M that is due next June. Problem with that scenario is that then the Wilpon's won't have the SNY profits to keep the team afloat. 

At the end of the day, Fred has done everything he can to maintain ownership for Jeffrey. 

Scary part is in Forbes valuations, the Met's were one of only 3 MLB teams to actually go down in value. To the point that the average value of a major league team is 811M and the Met's in this market are only valued at 800M. Very sad.


metfaninva
metfaninva

@Travis Rush 

Agreed.  Need some back up infileder.  I would bring up Flores and Quintanilla.  Sit Quint but have there for insurance.  Let Abreu go as well as CY. Play Kirk in out fiel with platoon with Campbell/EY. Flores some time at 2nd base as well. I am beginning to think Sandy has decision making issues.

For_Sale
For_Sale

@Tarheel11 Have the wilpons traded in their bentleys for hyundais?  Shopping at Goodwill.  They have money, perhaps not to bring the payroll to a Yankee/Dodger level but they can lean out their personal wealth to invest into the team.  Either way, none of us REALLY know their financial situation, but one has to believe that the Wilpons are still the 1%.


The Dodger sale was about more than just McCourts financial issues.  It was an incredible pay day for the rest of the owners in the league.  

1harris1
1harris1

@Tarheel11  And it seems to me that because the Wilpons are constantly changing the budget on Alderson, he never knows for sure how much he has to spend.  That's what led to him making a rash decision on Chris Young.  They knew they only had so much money to spend at that time, and there were no guarantees with tomorrow.


That's why I don't buy this idea that the Mets have to get rid of Colon's money in order to reallocate the funds for something else.  As their payroll is already ridiculously low; they should have more than enough to spend on obtaining a big bat even with Colon on the roster.  Personally, I would keep Colon (unless they can get an unexpectedly good return for him); and trade one of the other pitchers (all of whom seemingly have a decidedly higher marked value) for offense.  If you give Colon away; and you're not going to spend big on free agents, you'll wind up with no pitching depth if you're forced to trade one or two of the other pitchers for offense.

For_Sale
For_Sale

@joe21 a 150 million dollar payroll for this team in this market should be the norm.  But I think your estimate is correct.  Unless our position prospects come close to the level of success  our pitching prospects have had at the MLB level, we will still not have a winner.  SA needed to authorization to out and get one more real piece last offseason, not CY. 

For_Sale
For_Sale

They are still very wealthy.  They don't have to spend a dime more than they spend now per league rules.  However, for baseball romantics like the Wilpons is hard to understand why they dont increase payroll even 10% to put a winner on the field.  

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

They have lied from day one about their money. Everything they do proves they don't have any. 

Steve Finelli
Steve Finelli

@Albert E Lewis Not unless they eat AT LEAST 5 mil and I don't see that happeneing....do u??  Hell they r not willing to eat CY's contract.  That ought to tell u everything u need to know.

Steve Finelli
Steve Finelli

@kefhrny17 R U Kidding??  The Yankees have OWNED this town for over 20 years.  Papers r all about circulation.  Who do u think has more fans in this city?  C'mon man! 

hankypanky
hankypanky

Ugh. I almost lost my breakfast at the mere mention of the name. I wonder how his followers are doing?

illnagas
illnagas

Someone is scared of a certain minor leaguer threatening his man crush Tejada.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@theglider I hear ya, but my issue is what happens in the case of a guy needs to sit two or three days? Not long enough for a DL stint. Like Granderson with the stomach bug. 

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@Leif Granlind With just a few bullpen sessions, maybe a simulated game under his belt after a year and with his bulldog mentality?  HELL naw.    "sit this one out chief"....

mrgee
mrgee

@Leif Granlind  I would have Al Leiter pitch the one-game playoff this year before I'd have Harvey do it. Seriously.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@Leif Granlind  Seriously. There's an old saying, "It's better to be silent than to be thought a fool." I would tell Terry the same thing but he doesn't have much of a choice.

1harris1
1harris1

No. Next year for Harvey.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@Chris Kujawa Reynolds didn't play in Tacoma last night.  Flores played SS instead. (according to another poster).  IMO, Wilmer is the backup to Reynolds in Vegas, but Reynolds may have leaped past him as a possible backup/emergency call up in Queens.   Moot point. all indications are Tejada will not miss any time

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Chris Kujawa I heard that Collins said no signs of concussion yet and that there would not be a roster move. But that could change depending on how he wakes up this morning

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@For_Sale @Kevin John See I couldn't disagree more. If they loved baseball more than money they wouldn't have saddled all the debt onto the Met's. Fred is personally "debt free". He kept all of the debt away from his Sterling Enterprises business. 

And he has never used any money either from whatever personal wealth or from Sterling Enterprises to help fund the Met's. 

All indications are that his Sterling Enterprises business has been making money. If he truly loved baseball more than money wouldn't he use money from Sterling to do whatever he had to to help the Met's situation? 

As much as he may love baseball, the Met's are a business first entity for him.  

And whatever happened to his infamous quote that the Madoff losses only affected his Sterling business and not the Mets?

Steve Finelli
Steve Finelli

@Tarheel11 @Kevin John It's not scary.  They would get far more than the Forbes valuation if they sold.  The Dodgers sale and the Clippers pending sale dictate the market and the NY market is MUCH larger than LA.......even though it's the number 2 market.  TV money continues to go through the roof as more people invest in HD TV and Home Theaters so their position is nowhere near as dire s you make it out to be.  Everybody not in the know thinks Steve Ballmer got stupid overnight.  Really?  He'll have most of his money back in two years after the TV deal is renegotiated.  Wait til u see where those numbers come in.  It's the TV deal that drove the Dodgers price as well.........and made it a good investment.

ken1010
ken1010

@1harris1 That's a valid fear.  I'd like to think they would reinvest the Colon money, to sign Murphy if nothing else.  But we shouldn't be surprised if they just pocket it.

joe21
joe21

@For_Sale  Payroll is going up 15% next year on raises/arb alone, unless they can dump Colon $11M

Jack Butler
Jack Butler

What if we can get Colon to eat the 5 million....literally

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@Steve Finelli I would think that depends on the talent coming back in trade.  Paying a portion of Bartolo's contract, to bring in a high end prospect(s) equates to nothing more than paying a signing bonus.

mrgee
mrgee

@Steve Finelli  I could see it happening for a team that needs that extra starter (who apparently can still pitch really well) this year.  Then they are taking an $11 million flyer on the guy for next year which, I think we've seen, teams are willing to do for a decent arm.

1harris1
1harris1

@Steve Finelli  I'm not sure about that with Colon though.  All it takes is one team desperate for a quality starter, with money to spend.  I could see SF caving and picking up his salary.   

theglider
theglider

No question we need to add an infielder but we do have a backup. On here it's portrayed that we have to play a nobody just in case.

Chris Kujawa
Chris Kujawa

Glad Ruben is healthy though I am not one of his supporters. I just can't believe with all the near serious injuries they wouldn't have a backup. Normally this would be a good spot for day off with all the pounding he's taken. It's a good thing Chris Young has a safe roster spot.

Chris Kujawa
Chris Kujawa

Unbelievable. Does Tejada need to lose an arm before they consider having a backup?

For_Sale
For_Sale

@Tarheel11 @For_Sale @Kevin John Correct the Mets are a business.  He can separate that fact.  He gets to own the team, rub elbows with Sandy Koufax and not shoulder any debt.  As long as he doesn't pay attention to what goes on in the bowels of metsblog, he is a lucky man.


Being a baseball romantic doesnt mean you have a soul.  I think you feel the way you do because you have a different sense of morals.  Freddie wants it all, and he is getting it at the expense of our fragile emotions. lol

joe21
joe21

@mrgee @Steve Finelli  they can eat a few million to get a prospect or they can simply put him on waivers and not pull back if claimed. a team may be willing to pay the whole $11M if they don't have to give any players up

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@Chris Kujawa Agreed..i am a Tejada supporter, but this is bordering on the absurd.  Are they trying to burn him out?  prove some point? and if so to whom?  

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@Chris Kujawa  Reuben will need to have his arm amputated before Sandy decides to let Chris Young go.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@Chris Kujawa I'm not sure which I find more incredible:  The level at which they simply  do not want Wilmer to play SS in the MLs or that a ML ball club would operate OPENLY with no backup at a primary position like SS, and 6 OFers

mrgee
mrgee

@joe21 @mrgee @Steve Finelli  Which would be fine by me, if I had any faith that the $11 million saved next year were going to go toward a great SS/LF...

mrgee
mrgee

@cleonsvan @Chris Kujawa  Probably wouldn't affect Ruben's defense or offense much, so yeah, not sure why him losing an arm would matter.