What’s on tap for Sunday, July 20

The Mets conclude their three-game series with the Padres in San Diego on Sunday at 4:10 pm ET.

Zack Wheeler (5-8, 3.90 ERA) will start for the Mets against Padres RHP Odrisamer Despaigne (2-1, 1.35).


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In case you missed it…

Dillon Gee gave up two solo home runs and Padres starter Tyson Ross pitched seven scoreless innings as the Padres beat the Mets, 6-0, at Petco Park on Saturday.

Also in the NL East, the Nationals and Marlins won and the Phillies beat the Braves.




49 comments
Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

Wheeler has either been very good (8 starts with 0-1 er) or very bad (7 starts with 4-6 er), rarely average (4 starts 2-3 er).

For_Sale
For_Sale

We are closer to the last place phillies than the first place braves and Nats. Please don't tell me we have a good chance to win the division/make the playoffs.  We have a chance, but please let us improve the team in anyway possible, so if that means *gasp* trading murphy or letting someone else play some SS (Tejada really has to put the ball in play with bases loaded).  

mi
mi

amazing how soup cant even start over abreu

Mark Kunzmann
Mark Kunzmann

Wheeler needs to come up big today lets go Zack!!!


eric88
eric88

Nonsence, Campbell looked horrible at 3rd. He can't play SS regularly. Flores can field the position, they only question range, which from what I saw because of his length was better than Tejada.

eric88
eric88

Everybody says we need a bat, we need a bat!  We  had the bat, it's called Wilmer Flores who should have played everyday this year. His offensive threat and potential is undenyable with power.  Tejada has no range, speed, power and a 10 cent head. Terry's discision to play him, cost us the playoff's. I can only dream of the numbers Flores would have put up with 350 AB"s so far this season.

shawnp6986
shawnp6986

I agree-we will be extremely formidable,especially when this whole pitching staff is all together with Harvey and the others,not to even mention our awesome BP.

Next season,this pitching rotation should and could quite possibly be tops in the league,and or damn close to it.Very strong and deep even if we move a few guys which inevitably will happen we are still very,very formidable indeed.

shawnp6986
shawnp6986

Only a bump in the road,boys..We will rebound today and take this series,no team is going to win every single night,what matters is that we leave San Diego with the series today.

I have enough faith in Wheeler to shut these guys down today,our bats went cold but you also have to tip you're cap to that pitcher last night,he has great stuff.

LGM

mrgee
mrgee

Come on, Wheeler -- show you've got the stuff to be a real big-league pitcher, and win this series for us! 

xplr
xplr

You've got to admire the mets, who continue to battle. However, the reality is this: we probably need to win 44 or the last 65 games to make the playoffs. I heavily doubt we are good enough. I could possibly see us winning 80, maybe 82 gmes. But, our lineup is just not strong enough to go on a sustained streak needed. 


We should trade Colon to the highest bidder.

eric88
eric88

@mi Terry's silly moves and lineup choices has cost us the playoff's this year. I think he is an awful player manager, but yes Kieth, he is alert.

dminches
dminches

@eric88 What part of Flores' .217 lifetime ML average makes you think he is a lock to be a star?  I am not saying that he may not be good but you act like there is no doubt about it.  Also, you are kidding yourself if you think that he is a better defensive SS than Tejada.  This team wasn't making the playoffs in any circumstance so to think that Flores at SS would be the difference is a huge stretch.

eric88
eric88

@Doubleday I would bring up Flores and Reynolds, and release Tejada, he has NO future with the team.

For_Sale
For_Sale

@Michael Scarn Don't worry about that.  The wilpons have changed the pin on their atm.  Sandy cant spend any real money in a trade or a signing. 

Doubleday
Doubleday

@Wayno Rake is a relative term - he is down from the .400 he was hitting last week.

dminches
dminches

@Wayno How are you translating his minor league stats in ML ones?  He hit .225 in the minors last year.

1harris1
1harris1

@Wayno  Is Reynolds capable of playing an adequate SS in the major leagues on a regular basis?  I don't know much about him.

dminches
dminches

@Mushroombarleysoup DeGrom has not passed Wheeler.  There have been so many pitchers that have done very well in their first 15 starts.  Can we see how he does in a full season before we anoint him a top of the rotation pitcher?


Regarding Backman, if he is such a great manager why has no other organization shown real interest in him?


tullydew
tullydew

You live in Vegas I assume

nymetsrule
nymetsrule

Mets don't need series wins they need sweeps. 2/3 is significantly worse than 3/3 when it is against horrible teams like the Padres.

texasmetsfan
texasmetsfan

@ifti99 if you have been a mets fan long enough to remember Art Howe, using the term "battle" just is hard to do.

tullydew
tullydew

The problem is the return for Colon will not be high. Teams will be scared off by the 12 million owed to him next year.

mrgee
mrgee

@ifti99 We should trade Colon one way or another, because odds are we don't have room for him next year (no pun intended) and the $ is too high. 

mi
mi

@eric88 abreu is playing bc he will prob dh the next 3 games.. which means soup wont play the next 3 either its a joke

eric88
eric88

@dminches @eric88 I didn't say he was better than Tejad, I said he has more range from what I see. Flores had a Grand slam, 3 for 5 and 6 RBI. He started the next day and banged a double off the wall, no errors and then sat or a week and only got 2 more stars after that and got sent down. You don't do hat to a 22 year old, especially to play the likes of Tejada. A blind man can see this kid can hit. Are you saying those were good moves by dingbat Terry?

eric88
eric88

@dminches @Wayno It is called a prospect now reaching his full potential. ever seen it before, geez.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@dminches @Wayno Compare Reynolds' season to Ruben's in AAA last year - Tejada his .288 in about 60games with the 51s, with like 24 RBI (off the top of my head).

Peter Loibl
Peter Loibl

@dminches You mean like the Arizona Diamondbacks, who hired him to be their manager (albeit briefly)?


Not defending nor endorsing Wally -- no idea how he would perform at the Major League Level, but I am intrigued by his passion and ability to relate to the players. 

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@tullydew As long as Sandy is here Wally is staying in Vegas. Not saying its good or bad. It just is what it is. 

Mark Kohn
Mark Kohn

@nymetsrule No they don't need sweeps. They need series wins. Winning more than you lose is the goal.

1harris1
1harris1

Although how high would the return be if Colon was going to be a free agent next year? It seems to me that if a contending team truly believes the guy is good, they'd like the fact that he is under contract for next season. Many though seem to think it works the opposite way.

dminches
dminches

@eric88 @dminches He doesn't have more range.  I have seen nothing to indicate that.  Flores is not a major league hitter yet.  He has a very long swing and is late on most fastballs.


So, when the team won 10 of 12 did TC become a good manager or did the players just play better?  It doesn't matter who manages.  Good players win, bad players lose.  This is not a playoff team even with the best manager in history at the helm.

dminches
dminches

@Mushroombarleysoup I have watched all of DeGrom's starts and he has been really good.  But I am not going to extrapolate that into him being better than Wheeler.  The list of pitchers who have started great and teetered out is endless.  Let's see what happens when he goes through the league 2-3 times.

ken1010
ken1010

@Mark Kohn @nymetsrule 

We've dug too big a hole to make the playoffs just winning 2 out of 3 the rest of the way.  Making the playoffs is the goal.

rico
rico

What exactly are you saying harris?

ken1010
ken1010

@dminches @Mushroombarleysoup

If I had to pick a pitcher to win one game right now, I'd pick deGrom over Wheeler as he has been more reliable.  deGrom knows how to use his arsenal.  Wheeler probably has more long term potential, and could be an all-star, but you never know if someone like him will put it together.

1harris1
1harris1

I'm saying that the fact that Colon is under contract for next season actually helps his trade value. If he was a free agent after this season, teams trading for him would be reluctant to give up much for what amounts to a two month "rental". Since Colon is signed through next season (at not really a crazy price for a good starting pitcher), a team trading for him would have him for not only the remainder of this season, but next season as well; hence such a team would be willing to give up more for him in a trade. I'm presuming that any team trading for Colon views him as a good pitcher. If such a team believes he'll perform well for them this season, why wouldn't they think the same for next year?

dminches
dminches

@eric88 @dminches @Wayno Obviously some have, but the majority have not.  There are tons of guys who rake in the minors.  Plus, Reynolds hasn't hit .350 for a full season.  What has it been, 60 games?  I believe his last 2 years of hitting .250 or below than I do his short stint at .350.