What’s on Tap for Monday, June 30

The Mets (37-45) open a three-game series with the first place Braves (44-38) in Atlanta on Monday at 7:10 p.m. ET.

Zack Wheeler (3-8, 4.45 ERA) gets the start for the Mets, opposed by Alex Wood (6-6, 3.07 ERA) for Atlanta.


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Weekend Review…


The Mets lost three of four games to the Pirates in Pittsburgh, including a 5-2 loss on Sunday >> Read more at MetsBlog


David Wright was scratched  from the lineup Friday night due to a sore rotator cuff in his left shoulder, and didn’t play Saturday or Sunday after being examined by team doctors in New York. Wright will not need surgery, and the team is hopeful he’ll be able to avoid the disabled list.


Dillon Gee made a rehab start Sunday with Single-A Brooklyn. It’s expected that Gee will make one more rehab start before rejoining the Mets’ rotation – likely during the second week of July.




51 comments
Peter Loibl
Peter Loibl

I was trying to figure this out: when was the last "meaningful" game at Citi Field (excluding the All Star Game)? I guess Johan's no-hitter? Has this stadium even been packed and rocking, outside of a few Opening Days? It's kind of unbelievable how bad this franchise has been since Shea was knocked down. 

getalife
getalife

Wow, possibly out of it by the All-Star break.  How depressing.  They won't even be playing meaningful games in July...  And they thought attendance was bad last year...

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

When does the Phillie fire sale begin? Tons of old guys making big money to move. Gonna be tough for them. Maybe we create some room and leave them in the basement. Maybe.

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"Lets go win 10 in a row"- Terry a little over week ago, mets go 5-5


"Lets go 10-5 before the all-star break"- Terry Sat Night... mets lose sunday...


Just stop it Terry, these guys have tuned you out long ago

dave42
dave42

what do we make of the fact that the Mets are 8 games under .500 with a -1 run differential?  I feel like they're better than they've played and yet I feel like they're awful.  I can't figure it out.  The Marlins are the only other team that is close to an even run differential and under .500. 


The Yankees are -32 runs and 41-39.  The Pirates are -9 runs and 42-40.  The Phillies are 1 game behind us and -40 run differential.  Rangers 1/2 game better than us and -57 runs. 

yankeehater
yankeehater

So much for being "right in the thick of the division race". Even in the bogus NL east the Mets are 1 mediocre week away from being 10+ back in the loss column. This season should officially "be in the books" within the next 3 weeks. Back up the truck boys....the fat lady is warming up.

dave42
dave42

is it possible we played the entire weekend with no backup infielders?  what team does this?  what is the plan if tejada or Campbell goes down, put deGrom in there? 

r_in_ct
r_in_ct

Remember when we used to joke about "meaningful games in September"?

I think it's safe to say there hasn't been—and there won't be—a meaningful game at any point in this entire year.

Andrew Pasquale
Andrew Pasquale

I know the Mets won't make the playoffs, but it would be nice to see them at least finish the season strong. I have a feeling that won't happen with this pathetic roster. How about bringing Harvey back in for September if he's ready?

xplr
xplr

As we are roughly at the half way point in the season, let's take stock of where we are: We re next to last in a weak division, 7 games out. We are only 2 games away from the worst record in the league. Three of our most highly touted prospects (Syndy, Montero and TDA) are all struggling. Of our big three free agents signed this off season, Colon has paid off, but Grandy and CYoung can't hit their weight. Despite four years of Sandy and the most spending done since he took over, we are actually on target for a worse record than last year!


All in all, Sandy has been an abysmal failure. 


I would definately be a seller now, and then fire Sandy and TC. It's time to clean house.

A Pocono View_
A Pocono View_

while maybe waving towels on every hit maybe a bit too much..but the idea that they show some life is good..

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

Please stop with the towels for every hit, I didn't like it when they did it for homeruns during games they were winning, but doing it for nearly every single in games we were losing just looks stupid.

shea
shea

@Peter Loibl well in fairness the stadium is half the problem.....the reason we stink is we're broke......the reason we're broke is debt.....the reason we have debt is the stadium...the reason the stadium is causing us debt is our felon friend isnt producing the same results. 


If Wilpon didnt build this stadium on debt (assuming madoff results would pay the debt) we would still have a high payroll and be winning...albeit in Shea

spelletrader
spelletrader

Possibly? This team has been out of it since the beginning of June.

getalife
getalife

@D Now we just need to go 10 and 4 before the all-star break.  No problem.

ken1010
ken1010

@dave42

I think it means the Mets are losing most of the close games that could go either way, when they should be splitting them.

Close games are often lost for several reasons

Mistakes such as poor fundamental baseball and poor base-running, and that's a reflection on the coaching staff.

They are lost by failure to take advantage of opportunities - this is where smart moves by the manager could help.  

Also passive approach at the plate during key RBI situations as we wait for the perfect pitch, hunting for strikes.

They are also lost by poor bullpen management, and we lost several early in the year with Valverde and Farnsworth as closers.  Even recently, when someone comes in and doesn't have it, like when Black has a day with no control, Terry and Warthen don't even visit the mound, let alone make a change.  They just let the disaster unfold.


tullydew
tullydew

All those facts you provided show that run differential is a meaningless stat.

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@dave42 In my opinion it is somewhat a reflection of the Manager, and our manager, using any measurement, sucks

Cheryl Ann
Cheryl Ann

@dave42 What difference does it really make? I think the plan, as Terry described it, is to use EY at second if necessary. Possibly shuffle Murphy to 2nd and Campbell to SS. Said he can "tweek" the line-up for a few more days if Wright needs more time but will avoid full 15 day DL. Heard that Flores played 1B this weekend which is interesting.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@sandybgone Just as important is the fact that I can't say I think they will do anything to add any help. I just don't see them being able to add any pieces even if they wanted to. 

lindro88
lindro88

@Andrew Pasquale  Bring Harvey back?  That seems like a bad idea.  I haven't seen any other pitchers back from TJ surgery the next season. 

shea
shea

@ifti99 You cant say Sandy has been a failure without noting all the money he has cut from the payroll; allowing his boss to retain ownership.

Only Cerrone believes SA was brought here for baseball, anyone with half a brain can see he was brought here to cut payroll (the most in the history of the game) and try to put a marginal team on the field.   He has been an unyielding success!!!! the real issue is mgmt and the fans have different definations of success.


Success per ownership:  paying back bridge loans, lawyers fees, minority partners, debt from stadium, cut expenses

Success per fans:   winning


Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

"Showing life" would mean much more if they weren't losing 3 games out of 4 while doing it. I'd much rather they "show life" with some contistant hitting with men in scoring position.

Vincent Santiago
Vincent Santiago

@Kevin VanTassell Its the teams way of creating some sort of unity and spirit which is something you haven't seen since the high five days of Jose Reyes which people also hated.  Is there anything a Mets fan does not hate? 

vimets
vimets

What should the Mets payroll be?

dave42
dave42

@tullydew  run differential, per sabermetrics, Baseball Prospectus, Bill James and many others, is supposed to be a measure of how good a team is.  Generally if a team over or under-performs one year, things will balance out the following year. 

dave42
dave42

@Cheryl Ann @dave42  my point is that it is indefensible to have six outfielders on a major league roster outside of September. 

hankypanky
hankypanky

Flores on first should have been the plan from day one, regardless of Duda's place there. Every scout knows that Flores can't play middle infield, which is why Tejada is the only choice as ss.

dave42
dave42

@sandybgone @dave42  how fast can he get here from Vegas?  between innings?  I guess EY2 can play a little middle infield? 

George Brezny
George Brezny

@Steven Matregrano @r_in_ct  I appreciate your loyalty but the scary part is that they probably should  be way back in the standings fifteen out by now... I just don't feel they have clutch players right now.  And, having a better than expected season will mask all the problems of the team, coaching staff, and ownership going in to next year.


I have to laugh at some of the guys on this blog though... Typical kids with no ability to hold an educated conversation without putting someone personally  down for their opinion because it differs than theirs. even though they route for the same gd team.. State of our society reflected right here on this blog.  I thought the blog was supposed to monitor that crap.  Wise up guys.

Your technically right Steve.. They still are mathematically in it. I am sure some of these people have no clue what that means. Just concerns me that any more success this year means prolonging Alderson's tenure after this year.

tullydew
tullydew

Yes....meaningful for the Braves.

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@Steven Matregrano @r_in_ct steve, just stop it dude. go outside

manchu
manchu

@shea @ifti99 

I don't understand why folks don't quite get this point.. Sandy was never sent here to build a winner.. he was sent here by his pal Bud to balance the books.. He got rid of the big contracts to enable the Wilpons to pay off some debts. Im sure Sandy would rather be getting his future office as commissioner all laid out but he has to keep the Wilpons in power. I don't care what he says about not being financially handcuffed, there is no way you deliberately dig in the bargain bin every year hoping to find a gem unless you have no choice

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

Just because I disagree with you is no need to call names, which is a sure way to know when you've run out of good way to argue your point of view. If you like under .500 teams waving their towels, for every hit they get, even while losing, that's good for you.

George Brezny
George Brezny

@Vincent Santiago @Kevin VanTassell  All for spirit when you are winning.. Show boating and doing the me thing is a different story... You didn't see any of that crap with the 86 Mets until it meant something. Winning a game when you are eight games below five hundred is just asinine. Everyone on the other teams hated the Mets for their swagger... This stuff recently is just comical.

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

I believe you create "unity and spirit" thru winning, I don't think you can create winning with unity and spirit.

I loved the 1986 Mets being hated by other teams and their fans, for all their curtain calls. They did their curtain calls because they won and we fans wanted them to do it.

They want to wave their towels for go ahead Rbis or game winners fine, but for a base hit in a game they are losing 5-0 while losing 3 out of 4 games, no it just looks stupid.

Greg Nichols
Greg Nichols

Winning. It just doesn't happen that often here

ken1010
ken1010

@vimets

The Payroll should be whatever it takes to put a 90-win team on the field, which would have us in the race and fill the stadium.  That would be the most profitable option for the Mets.

If they had three or four $15m-per-year quality position players, and eventually pay some of their pitchers, the total cost would probably range between $120m and $150m per year.  That could include some dead money for a player or two injured/benched/released, who are being highly paid but not performing, from whom we've moved on.  (We need to move on from CY - took a reasonable risk on a player, it didn't work, please move on.)

Selling another million seats per year, plus food, parking, tv ratings, merchandise, etc. would more than pay for that upgrade in the team.  In a playoff race, this team has proved it could draw 3 million.

Right now 90 wins is the everything-goes-perfectly scenario.  They should spend the money so it's the base case.  (Should have signed Choo instead of CY.)

shea
shea

@vimets somewhere in line with teams in similar markets...the angels, dodgers, yanks, sox, all come to mind.


OR...if ownership doesnt want to go that route...thats cool too....then they should charge in line with what that pay out..if you are going to have a bottom tier payroll then it is reasonable to expect bottom tier costs...but if you are charging some of the highest fees in the game it is reasonable for the consumer to expect some of the highest payroll.


What I cannot accept is paying for Broadway but being provided with a high school musical; nothing wrong with high school musicals (as long as the tickets are $3 and the parking is free)....but when you pay for Broadway....you expect a high level of talent. 

tullydew
tullydew

Or it could mean your 4th & 5th starters are horrible and have 5.55 ERA's. If you are winning most of your games pitched by your 1-3 starters and getting blown out in the games started by #4 & 5 starters, your run differential looks bad but your winning 3 out of every 5 games which is .600 baseball.

Cheryl Ann
Cheryl Ann

@dave42 @Cheryl Ann Absolutely agreed but it doesn't sound like they're too concerned about it. John Ricco told the press that they had no plans to recall anyone at this point. Will change I guess if Wright goes to the DL, but for some reason they are (a) hiding Flores in AAA and (b) heck bent on keeping CY here.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@manchu @shea @ifti99 Exactly. More to the point I think he was brought in here to ensure they kept ownership! They cut the payroll down in order to stop losing money and hopefully get these debt notes paid off/refinanced. But all their doing is just extending them. These debts are still due. The issue is this won't be resolved any time soon without some new infused capital

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

I don't think swinging these towels helped them win any of those games. Again trying to be a closer team, will not make them a better team, which is all I care about.