What’s on tap for Aug. 14

The Mets and Nationals conclude their series at Citi Field on Thursday at 7:10 p.m. ET.

The Mets have lost 24 of their last 28 games to the Nationals at Citi Field, where Dillon Gee (4-4, 3.54 ERA) will start against Stephen Strasburg (8-10, 3.68) in the series finale.


In case you missed it…

Matt den Dekker was thrown out at home plate in the bottom of the ninth inning as the Mets lost to the Nationals, 3-2, at Citi Field on Wednesday night >> Read more at MetsBlog, New York Post, Daily News, Star-Ledger and MLB.com.

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The Mets need to go 24-17 the rest of the season to finish .500.


Terry Collins will return to manage the Mets in 2015, assuming they don’t totally fall apart before the end of the season, a source familiar with the situation told reporter Jon Heyman (CBS Sports, August 13).




88 comments
flmetsfan
flmetsfan

When will you get tired of showing the standings and giving us the latest calculations on how many games the Mets need to win to be at .500?

Perhaps in a couple of weeks, you'll be talking about how many games the Mets need to lose to have a protected pick in the first round.  Oops, I answered my own question.

jenkins
jenkins

If Alderson really thinks this is a 90-win team and they haven't had (m)any injuries, and they win less than 90 games-then he should be fired. He's senile.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Sac flies are an important part of this game...yet the Mets make it look impossible to hit one.

pointguard
pointguard

Bring in Melky Cabrera to play left field and trade Niese and Flores for Sterlin Castro.


Try and move Granderson for an infielder who plays SS and Second to back up our players and unload Grandys contract.

hankincolo
hankincolo

Forget the Tulo fantasy, Mets fan. He's having torn labrum surgey in his left hip. Yet another lower body area injury for a guy who is 29 in October. He's had a few.

Check out the last paragraph of this article.

http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_26332939/troy-tulowitzki-has-torn-labrum-will-miss-rest


He needs to play firstbase or DH. I'm now glad the Mets will obviously have to look elsewhere for a SS this coming off-season. Wilmer's been o.k., but I'm not seeing him consistently ripping the cover off the ball, are you?

hankincolo
hankincolo

Forget the Tulo fantasy, Mets fan. He's having torn labrum surgey in his left hip. Yet another lower body area injury for a guy who is 29 in October. He's had a few.

Check out the last paragraph of this article.

http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_26332939/troy-tulowitzki-has-torn-labrum-will-miss-rest

 

He needs to play firstbase or DH. I'm not glad the Mets will obviously look elsewhere for a SS this coming off-season. Wilmer's been o.k., but I'm not seeing him consistently ripping the cover off the ball, are you?

1harris1
1harris1

Wright with 0 homers and 8 RBI since the all star break.  Granderson with 1 and 3.


C'mon already.  It's been ridiculous with these two.  I'm no fan of Collins, but it's hard to win consistently when these guys are giving you virtually nothing offensively.


Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

I thought when signed Granderson would hit 25 hrs and drive in maybe 80 runs with a .240 avg ..even that looks in jeopardy this year.

1harris1
1harris1

Unless my numbers are off, Granderson has 1 homer and 3 RBI since the all star break.  That is absolutely brutal.

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

Another 1 you can pin on Terry.  I  ave often heard that adage that a manager only makes a difference in 7 games in a season, no idea where that came from because Terry has cost us at least 6 games this month alone!  Bunting in the 9th inning with Lagares is RIDICULOUS.  You have 3 outs left, soriano hadnt proved he could get anyone out yet and you gave an out away.  Not only that but Lagares form trying to bunt was absolutely awful.  I know old school guys would say "hes a major leaguer no excuse for not knowing how to bunt".  welll that attitude is all well and good but the fact is, he cant bunt.  Its a managers job to put guys in position to succeed, he didnt do that with Lagares.  If TC is hell bent on bunting there, you gotta pinch hit with someone who can bunt like a pitcher (a Dillon Gee or Jon Niese perhaps) and if you are gonna sit there and say 'how could a pitcher be ready in that spot?' once again, it's on TC to say to one of them, 'hey, if we get within a run and have a guy on next inning, I need you to bunt".  It's minor details like this that become major when you have no margin for error. 

hankypanky
hankypanky

Trade for Tulo at all costs! He's having hip surgery. Perfect.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

@1harris1  And with 2 hitters expected of 25 hrs a piece and maybe each with at least 80 rbis...these 2 hitters are underperforming.

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

@1harris1 Wright's and Granderson's That is all the more reason why TC is at least partially to blame.  When you struggle offensively, the managerially decisions become much more important.  His coinflips have landed on tails darn near every single time

Mike
Mike

@1harris1 I agree with you but why have Grandrson bat leadoff? YOu are setting yourself up to fail 

thecasuaLGM
thecasuaLGM

Granderson hits leadoff. Not exactly in a position to drive in runs. Idk what his obp or wRC is since the break but i'm sure it stinks

Steven Molello
Steven Molello

@Albert E Lewis Thought when he was younger with the Tigers he was a better hitter average-wise. He just flails away at the ball trying to hit home runs. A well timed double or single would be fine once in a while. 

mets74
mets74

@hankypanky Absolutely. He will come back stronger and better than before. 







Then he'll get hurt again.

nncyel
nncyel

@Jayson Love Wow, that's some convoluted logic you have there. So the players aren't performing but somehow TC is supposed to make managerial decisions that would not only compensate but over-compensate? And care to impress us with your list of decisions that TC has made and the tally of "wrong" ones and "right" ones.


Take last night for an example. Bunting a runner to second with no outs baseball statisticians will tell you is not a good move. It slightly reduces your chances of scoring. But almost every mananger over the last 100 years makes that move. So let's not argue about the move per se. Let's see how his players executed after that decision. Lagares failed to get the bunt down. If he had, the ensuing hit would've tied the game. They still ended up with an opportunity because TC pinch ran EY for Flores and EY stole a base. Mets can win a game with a hit. Two batters failed. But somehow this is all TC's fault. He's not the greatest manager in the world, but critics like you simply fail to make a compelling case for him being as bad as you portray him.

1harris1
1harris1

@thecasuaLGM  I understand about the leadoff position and not having as many RBI opportunities as you would get hitting in the middle of the lineup, but still though.  Those numbers are atrocious. 


Of course, he would tell us that fans have no business to complain,  We should just "enjoy the experience".  LOL.  Would the Yankees take this guy back? 

dave42
dave42

@thecasuaLGM  In 24 games, 96 at bats, he is hitting .188/.264/.260.  remarkably similar to his April stinker. 

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

@nncyel Speaking of convoluted logic, with the runner at second there is no guarantee that Flores's hit happens.  That's called the LOGICAL FALLACY of the predetermined outcome.  Second, i said PARTIALLY to blame.  Of course underperforming players is one of the main reasons this team is losing (the second being lack of talent).  But a third, less important but still A REASON is TC's clueless managing.  And not every manager there in the last 100 years makes the call to bunt.  That's another fallacy of overgeneralization
 and moreover, he HAS TO KNOW that Lagares cant bunt!!!!

nncyel
nncyel

@Jayson Love Face it. Your statement that the players aren't performing is all the more reason that TC is to blame is flat out illogical. So if the players were playing great and the team was losing you'd blame Collins wouldn't you? But if the players are playing lousy, you still blame Collins. Logically that does not compute. Sorry. It doesn't.

nncyel
nncyel

@Jayson Love Still waiting for your list.


Second, if you want to claim that we can know nothing because as soon as we suppose anything, everything changes, that's fine. But in that case there is not a single decision that TC or any manager in the history of baseball can be criticized on.

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

@nncyel @Jayson Love I dont have to give u a freaking list.  It's not stupid if you want to think it's stupid that's fine.  But in baseball (and btw I played the game at a pretty high level for several years) You need to play the hand you are dealt.  TC is awful at that.  None of his teams have ever overachieved, he's never won 90 games and he has had good teams in the past

nncyel
nncyel

@Jayson Love @nncyel His first 5 years in the majors his teams were all above .500 and his record was 392 and 352 for a .528 winning percentage. Not Hall of Fame, but a helluva a lot better than a whole lot of other managers.

nncyel
nncyel

@Jayson Love @nncyel Right, you feel free to make a statement that every single decision that TC  has made has been wrong. Could be. Just asking you to back it up. Because when you make an extreme statement you better have some proof. You don't.

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

@nncyel @Jayson Love It's a concept called hyperbole. Clearly he has made some correct decisions and there are decisions he has made which were the wrong ones that worked out anyway. like replacing Carlyle in the game against the Braves when we had a 6 run lead and ended up burning Mejia due to overmanaging  I dont have time  to sit here and go through each game and analyze every decision he has made but he has made a lot of terrible decisions and if you want to blindly support him it's your business.  But finally, I will end on this.  TC has NEVER won 90 games and never been to the playoffs are we to suspect he will do it for the first time with the Mets?

hankypanky
hankypanky

Valdespin. The haters loved him.

nncyel
nncyel

@Jayson Love @nncyel So 90 wins and playoffs is the only criteria you use to judge that a manager has managed effectively? If that's the case there's a whole lot of really bad, failed managers out there. 

nncyel
nncyel

@Jayson Love @nncyel I'm not blinding supporting him. I don't think the manager makes that much of a difference. Kirk Gibson was manager of the year a couple of years ago, the last 2 years his teams have been amongst the worst in baseball. Is he a great manager or a lousy manager?


If you're a Met fan you know that Joe Torre's teams were abysmal. Now he's in the hall of fame, largely based on his performance as a manager. Do you suppose the Mets and Yankees contrasting records had more to do with talent of the players and not so much with Torre's skill as a manager or the importance of a manager to a team's success?

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

@Steven Molello @Jayson Love @1harris1 Ugh, Byrd, really? He was on the scrap heap he had a nice year with us, his first post-steroid suspension and now is roughly duplicating it in a band box.  If we gave him a 2 year deal for 16 mil there is no guarantee hed be doing what he is doing.  This is year one of a 4 year deal, remember how bad Beltran struggled in year one?  Grandy will be fine.  He is NOT our problem

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

Overachieving and making the playoffs are my criteria for a good manager.  Making the difference in those close games.  The mets have a decent bullpen and good starting pitching yet we still seem to always lose close games and the stats back that up.. That's on the manager.... So if the Mets go out and bring in real talent next season to augment the roster, and we win 87 games and finish in second place and miss the wild card by a game, you will be happy? 

Mike
Mike

@Jayson Love @Steven Molello @1harris1 Beltran is offended by this post. Granderson can still take a walk which is good because when he swings the bat he is usually missing which he has been doing for some time now. 3 more garbage years to come

nncyel
nncyel

@Jayson Love How do we ever determine if a team is overachieving or underachieving? Remember we are living in your world of the "LOGICAL FALLACY of the predetermined outcome". By your own statement you can't ever know what a team's record would be with an "average" manager at the helm because that would be supposing a predetermined outcome for everything. Perhaps the Mets are indeed overachieving under Collins. It's pretty darn impossible to tell. I know one thing. Close to half his starting lineup - the C, SS, LF and RF were hitting around the Mendoza line for a significant portion of the season. And Collins is supposed to be guiding that talent to 90 wins and a playoff berth?

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

@Mike @Jayson Love @Steven Molello @1harris1 Im not saying he's Beltran.  Not every time you mention two people in the same post are you making a comparison.  It was an example of a guy who struggled in year one of a contract and then played well.  I think Granderson will be a productive player for us.  He will not have "3 more garbage years".