What happened to the Hot Stove?

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Yes, it’s eerily quiet. I think two things are impacting the Hot Stove, bringing it to a screeching halt…

1) There are several significant free agents still available, including Nelson Cruz, Stephen Drew, Ubaldo Jimenez, Kendrys Morales and Ervin Santana, not to mention Masahiro Tanaka, who only recently became posted. What’s more, teams seem reluctant to part with compensatory draft picks for a number of these players, reluctantly dragging the whole process out deep in to the offseason…

snowflake2) There was a lot of activity prior to the Winter Meetings. Typically, there is more activity in the middle weeks of December, leaving early January as the time to do bargain-basement shopping. Instead, teams acted early this year, executing a number of high-profile moves in late November, leaving very little do to before and after the New Year.

Meanwhile, the Mets are reportedly still looking to acquire a late-inning reliever and a starting pitcher or two on minor-league deals, and I think they’re willing to upgrade shortstop and move Ike Davis for an arm. These moves are all still available, despite pitchers and catchers set to report to St. Lucie in six weeks.

I’m told by MLB insiders to expect it will remain quiet this week, following the holidays and as people get back in the office. However, things will likely pick up next week, as teams get a better sense of what Tanaka and other available, high-profile free agents might do. Then, my bet is we finally start to see some activity again as we move in to the middle of January…

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nym4lyfe
nym4lyfe

Get Drew, Boggs and Gregg. I did wish the Mets actually spent because then I'd say Morales too but that's stretching it.

Mont5
Mont5

Have a feeling the Mets might get Drew on a one year contract. Is basically Boston & Mets that are interested in him. So it comes down to who needs him more.

Will Drew go back to Boston with his head down and take a one year contract. That will be less than what they offer him which was 14.1 Mil and which Drew turn down. Don't see that happening.

Mets sign Drew to a one year contract worth 13 Mil with a maybe option for a 2nd year at 15 Mil.

Mont5
Mont5

I think once Tanaka signs with a team. Everything will follow. But there this thought in my head that the Yankees and Tanaka already have a deal under the table. It seems like they waiting for teams to stop waiting or at least get tired of waiting for Tanaka and choose to go other ways. They prolong the posting of Tanaka now they are saying that Tanaka will take as long as it takes to sign which means until the deadline Jan 24. Now it all depends if the other teams are willing to wait and if they are than the Yankees signing Tanaka are slim.

dreamer3kx
dreamer3kx

If we can land Drew and some more bullpen help I would be pretty happy with this offseason, he adds some pop at the SS position, thats a nice thing to have, I dont mind a Duda Ike platoon, I think we can get 25 hrs/ 80 RBI's there, thats good enough for me, if we can do a couple more things I think we can contend for a wild card spot.

Chad Michael
Chad Michael

I think another thing we are beginning to see is a good sample size of players in their early 30s post steroid era.  Yes, there are still performance enhancing drugs out there and guys are still using, but I truly believe the number has significantly come down and we are starting to see fewer players play late into their 30s.  GMs are seeing that most of these guys signing long term contracts between 30-33 are only producing for a few years before they break down and are becoming more and more reluctant to dish out these large contracts.  Then again, maybe I am just being hopeful that this is what is happening.

mets1988
mets1988

Andrew Rickli @AndrewRickli

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Source: #Orioles could be on the verge of landing Ike Davis very soon. They were rumored as a team who was interested.

12:11 AM - 3 Jan 2014

mets1988
mets1988

Ike Davis could be deal soon to the Orioles i will have the source in just a minute

Skyking
Skyking

MLB network has Baltimore interested and in talks with Kendreys Morales. That leaves the Brewers for Ike. My guess is the Brewers ink Michael Young to play 1b.

Steve Barbato
Steve Barbato

there are a ton of teams in on the Tanaka sweepstakes, so I doubt there will be a lot of moves made until that mess is cleaned up (middle-end of january). i think teams are in "wait and see" mode and have to figure out how they will allocate their budget based on where Tanaka lands. lots of good names out there to be had, although, none of them are on the mets radar (so sandy would lead us to believe... but he's pulled some rabbits out of his hat during his tenure here with the mets, so i expect to see some activity over the next 6 weeks. only 43 days til pitchers and catchers report to port st. lucie! let's go mets!

dtgaff
dtgaff

keep Ike. Get rid of DUDa. Platoon Flores at first and play him 20 games at second. Drew for 2 years

drmetfan
drmetfan

Once Tanaka signs the ball will get rolling with the other FAs. At this point I think Drew will sign with the Mets. If the Mets really wanted to make a splash and become a wild card contender this year Cruz would be the guy to sign along with Drew.

The Market for Cruz is dry and he will not get the 5 year 75M he is demanding.

He will probably get a 2 to 3 year deal tops worth between 30M and 45M.

metfan1965
metfan1965

Ho ho ho. Typically the holidays are always quiet. Look for things to heat up next week. 

Jimmy P.
Jimmy P.

How about a leadoff hitter?

Poop-a-doodle-doo!
Poop-a-doodle-doo!

The only issues left for the Amazins at this point is whether we sign Drew, and if/when we trade Davis.

metfan8669
metfan8669

@dreamer3kx - Yeah, why not.  Teams have competed with less. The wild card makes anything possible.

I still maintain that Ike, Duda and Murphy are all great value players.  They are worth more than their salaries.  We need more of that, not less.  If those three hit their stride this year the team will be fairly deep. (That is, of course, assuming that the OFers (Granderson, Lagares, CY, & EY) produce at reasonably expected levels.

IMO, if we got Drew, the only question marks would be whether d'Arnoud is going to hit and whether Germen, Edgin, Wheeler, Gee and Neise continue to improve.

Ya gotta believe.

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

So you're saying we won't be seeing anymore 36 year olds hitting 73 bombs a season?


I'm not buying it.

Frank Tangorra
Frank Tangorra

Don't the Orioles have Chris Davis. Why would they want Ike?

Hodges14
Hodges14

@mets1988 Baltimore could be a good spot for Ike.  Small stadium, division full of small stadiums.  Less scrutiny than in NY.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@dtgaff Ike's done with the Mets.  If they can't trade him they will probably release him during spring training.

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@drmetfan Although Id love to hope the Mets would do that, we really don't need another outfielder. We have 4-5 already don't we? Lagares, C Young, Granderson, E Young, etc. I feel that our outfield is set, with EY in left, CYoung in center, and Granderson in right. EY will most likely play because we really don't have a leadoff hitter. If we did, Im sure lagares would be in center moving C Young to left

Poop-a-doodle-doo!
Poop-a-doodle-doo!

@Jimmy P. I think they are set to go with Eric Young (not that I agree it's just that this seems to be what they are going with).

nagel100
nagel100

@Sentimental Steve  Boston has Xander ready to play every day at SS.  he costs nothing and is better than Drew.  i see NY as the landing spot and the only issue is contract.  2 years works for both parties.  maybe one with an option.  i don't see Drew as a 10 million dollar player but NY has Tejada who is basically a bust.   Davis is a goner.  i agree.  NY will not pay 4 million for him when they think a Duda/Satin platoon will produce the same numbers for a lot less.  Smith is our future first baseman and that is 2- 3 years from now.


we will sign some more pitching at a low price.  i would see if 

Daisuke Matsuzaka is interested.

John Cucci
John Cucci

Is Morales a realistic option for us in this scenario?

mets1988
mets1988

At this point i just want Ike out of NY he is done here but i wonder who we would get back in return Baltimore has some young pitching prospects Tim berry Lhp would be a good return i highly doubt the orioles will change their mind and deal Eduardo Rodriguez since they already rejected the first offer

Hank Lee
Hank Lee

@Hodges14 @dtgaff Can he be sent to AAA or is he out of options? I would let him rack up numbers in Vegas ... someone else's 1B might get hurt and if he's hitting well down there someone may be more prone to trade something for him. He's got a solid glove (unlike most of the power "potential" 1B options), and he's shown plus power every year before. For instance, he was tracking better than Mark Trumbo before last year.

Frank Tangorra
Frank Tangorra

EY is not starting in LF. CY is and Lagares is starting in CF. EY doesn't have a good enough OBP to be a leadoff hitter

Derpy
Derpy

@Steven Matregrano@drmetfan People need to stop BSing about "leadoff hitters".  There is no such thing.  It is a stupid, dated, utterly meaningless concept.  It needs to go die in a fire and people need to stop talking about it.  Ditto for 'closers.'  At least the GMs have finally come around on this stuff, the fans are still way far behind.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@Steven Matregrano @drmetfan So you're benching our best defensive CF'er in Lagares and playing our worst offensive player in EYJ?  Yikes.  Outside of the steals, EYJ was one of the worst regulars in all of baseball.

metfan8669
metfan8669

@Sentimental Steve -Why do people keep saying this?  this is not correct.  EY is not the best option.

There will be days off for guys, and guys will hit rough patches and be rotated.  Maybe EY leads off some games, but to pick him ahead of Lagares is silly talk.   If lagares builds on last year it is a no brainer.   His defense was unbelievable , he has a much better arm and covers more ground, AND gets on base more.

Why do some people think a lead off hitter has to steal 50 bases?  That is just plain silly.

metfan8669
metfan8669

@Robby Johnson @Frank Tangorra = hahaha.. nice.

But really this tweet repost, is it worth the time?  Didn't we all already know that the Orioles have spoken to the Mets about Ike, Duda and potentially Murphy.   Unless there was a report of exactly who we would get in return, then there is nothing here.

metfan8669
metfan8669

@mets1988 - Sounds like you want him out of town.  I hope he stays and hits .250 w/ 25hrs+, and plays gold glove defense.  He is so young, they better get value in return.

metfan8669
metfan8669

@Frank D @Steven Matregrano - YES.  I agree with that sentiment.  Ike Davis has huge upside, and plays very good DEF.  Yes last year he faulted in that category, but he wasn't right.   But I think Defense is something that he will recover on without any issues.  And the hitting isn't far off. -- Why give up on having offensive options?  He is cheap when compared to the open market and Chris Davis is a good example of what can happen to guys like this.  If they hit their stride the could blow up and carry a team.

What happens if Duda shatters his ankle? Of course it would be terrible, then who are we left with, Satin, Flores and Murphy? And if you use Murphy who plays 2B?

Oh man, I don't know if that's what we want for next year.

I prefer the depth.

If we sign Drew, we would have Ike, Satin, Flores, EY, Recker and Tejada on the bench.  I like it. I would prefer another lefty bat probably, but there is some pop, some speed.  (I am not a huge Satin fan and Flores has plenty to prove, but it's certainly better than years past.)

Frank D
Frank D

@Steven Matregrano I have a problem with this whole post.  Ike is a proven player?  He had one good half of a season and has not shown the ability to consistently hit any pitching, let alone left handed pitching.  

And you laugh at Byrd?  He batted .291 with 24 hrs and 88 rbis last year, most of that with the Mets.  That is, at best, what the Mets could expect from Granderson.  Getting a .291 average out of him is very wishful thinking.  


And as of right now, counting Chris Young as an upgrade is very dangerous.  He hasn't put together a good year since 2010.  


And no one cares about the homeruns.  What we need is run production.  There was 17 first basemen with 75 RBIs or higher.  That's not asking a whole lot out of the universally strongest hitting position.  The Mets were dead last in first basemen RBI production last year.  


Everyone wants to baby Ike and say "give him more protection, talk to him nicely, coddle him."  


He's a major league ball player and he's been in the league for a couple of years.  He will go somewhere else and pan out because that's how it goes.  


And you want to give him another shot?  Because he's ONLY 26?  That's it?



Hodges14
Hodges14

@BringBackDaveTelghe @Steven Matregrano

The 32 HRs were the only positive for Ike that season.  It wasn't a very good year.  He has never put together a solid season.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@Steven Matregrano He knows what it is but he hasn't been capable of putting 1 solid season together.  He's just been overhyped from day 1 because there was nothing else for the Mets to market to the fans.  He's basically this generation's Lee Mazzilli.  The best of a bad crop of kids coming through the system.

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@Hodges14 But he hit 30 home runs in NY and has played solid defense.. I agree that not everyone can play in NY, for example Jason Bay (obviously his injuries played a role as well). He has had opportunities but he's also still 26 years old. I'd rather take my chances on a young proven first basemen again. We know he plays solid defense and we know he has the power since he hit 30 home runs. We should at least give him a try with an improved lineup. Now I know our lineup isn't exactly full of all-stars, but we have threats to add on to instead of just Wright, Murphy and Byrd(LOL). Now it's Wright, Murphy, Granderson, C Young, and hopefully, HOPEFULLY a guy like Drew, then I think Davis will be relieved of pressure and not feel like he HAS to hit 30 home runs. We all know thats what to expect, but when everyone is saying you're the one who needs to hit 30 home runs for us, isn't that a bit straight forward? We should be letting him do it on his own and not keep reminding him of his role. He know's what it is, and he knows how to contribute (solid defense and HR's) 

Hodges14
Hodges14

@Hank Lee @Hodges14 @dtgaff I think the issue is that the Mets aren't going to want to spend $4M on a first baseman to play in Vegas.  Ike's had multiple opportunities, it's time to turn the page.  Maybe he'll do better somewhere else with less pressure.  Not everyone is cut out to play in NY.

Derpy
Derpy

@BringBackDaveTelghe@Derpy The three best hitters on the team should bat 1-3 in the order.  Nothing else matters.  It doesn't matter what type of hitter they are, how they get on base, or what they do once they are on base.  If your three best hitters bat 1-3, the team will maximize offensive output.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@Derpy You're right, but wrong at the same time.  There is value in the steal, but getting on base is much more importantly.  It's fairly simple....do you want a guy who gets the most at bats getting on base 29% of the time or 40% of the time?  Gee...let me think about that.

Steven Matregrano
Steven Matregrano

@getalife @Sentimental Steve EY will start every day unless he is beyond awful lol, who else will platoon with him? Cause if we rotate him and say Lagares.. who will then lead off? Not lagares thats for sure lol 

metfan8669
metfan8669

@Sentimental Steve @The Feels - Not sure you agree with it?  You are the guy who made the post.   In future why don't you stick to posting things you agree with, unless it is a comment from someone else that you are discussing.