What does Hererra’s promotion mean for Daniel Murphy?

The Mets put All-Star 2B Daniel Murphy on the disabled list with a strained calf muscle.

He told reporters he doesn’t know much time he will miss.


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Murphy, 29, is expected to earn around $9 million through salary arbitration in 2015, after which he can become a free agent.

He has said he is open to signing a contract extension to stay with the Mets.

According to MLB Trade Rumors, based on his position, age and stats, Murphy warrants a a four- or five-year contract extension worth around $12 million per season (MLBTR, June 26).

He had been on pace to finish this season batting around .300 with 10 HR, 40 doubles and 80 RBI, making him one of the top two or three most productive second basemen in the National League.

The Mets have reportedly listened to trade offers for Murphy at various points during the last year, but the asking price was ‘substantial,’ according to multiple reports (ESPN, July 25) Rubin, Dec. 11).

In Murphy’s absence, the Mets will start 20-year-old 2B prospect Dilson Hererra, who has drawn rave reviews from MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo, ESPN’s Keith Law, scouts and his manager in Single-A >> Read more.


miniMCavatarMatthew Cerrone: So, the big question is: Let’s say Herrera plays lights out in his debut, what does this mean for Murphy’s future with the Mets? I’ll say this, it’s a good problem to have, right? It’s better than what this franchise has going on at shortstop. It’s also worth noting Hererra used to play shortstop…

To me, in a perfect world, Murphy stays at second and Herrera goes to shortstop. But, he hasn’t played there very much and he appears to be more natural at second base. So, if he’s going to be a second baseman, then what?

The way I see it, the question for Sandy Alderson is more about when he feels this team is going to make a serious run at a ring – and when does he think Herrera can deliver the type of production that Murphy already does? Because, if scouting reports say Herrera can be an All-Star, but not until 2016 or 2017 – at the same time Alderson feels next year and the year after are his window to contend with an affordable Matt Harvey and Zack Wheeler – then he needs to sign Murphy to an extension and trade Herrera in a package for more powerful bat. However, if Alderson truly doesn’t think his team will get to October the next two seasons, if he thinks 2017-2020 is his window, then he should keep Herrera and trade Murphy in a deal for a powerful bat.

In either case, all eyes are on Herrera, since he may dictate how Alderson handles a variety of decisions this winter…



By the way, in this week’s MetsBlog Q&ACast, presented by Verizon, I answers fan voicemails about Murphy, as well as Terry Collins’s job status, Wally Backman and Frank Viola, injuries, luck and Wilmer Flores’s value at shortstop…



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172 comments
PJ Windle
PJ Windle

He's our 2B of the present and future. Count on it.

jenkins
jenkins

Murphy is a terrible baseball player and a good hitter. Bye Daniel.

mi
mi

if they trade murphy and play dilson at 2nd it has gotten worse not better

ponzies86
ponzies86

Yes Mets need offense but lets not forget this is a team build on pitching for the next decade and Murphy just doesn't cut it on defense for this team. If the NL had the DH role then yes you keep him but it doesn't so trade him for promising prospect or even a MLB ready LF with pop

matmil
matmil

I was just reading some of the posts here and people are talking about how the Wilpons are going to make so much money on this Willets Point project and how they got some sweetheart deal and they are going to move the Mets to Montreal. Are you kidding me?

loopenark
loopenark

Murphy is the most dependable hitter on a team starving for offense. Trading him does not make sense to me. If you trade him for another bat what is the net result? Will you be any better off? How do you make up for his 190 hits a season? It doesn't make sense to me to trade off one of your few known quantities. They should sign Murphy and look to fill the real pressing needs on this club; a leadoff hitter, a shortstop, a leftfielder etc....

Gerard McGinnis
Gerard McGinnis

When Murphy comes back if Dilson is hitting put him at S/S. He could be our S/S 2015.Give Murphy money for 2nd Base. Only need LF player with POP.

herblehman
herblehman

Am I the only person to think that this promotion is much ado about nothing?


Herrera is a temporary replacement for Daniel Murphy, who will be eligible to come off the DL in about twelve days unless he's more seriously injured than the team is letting on. As soon as Murphy returns, Herrera's banished to the bench; he's not playing over Murph, even in September, unless he plays out of position at shortstop. 


And even before then, is there any guarantee he even plays? He's a 20-year-old kid from Double-A, and Terry Collins is our manager. Wilmer Flores,  who had more impressive numbers in TRIPLE A and much more of a track record, came up here and sat for weeks. He has other options besides playing Herrera -- Eric Campbell and Flores, to name two, and almost all of us were clamoring to see Flores play every day, myself included. 

grillruben
grillruben

Murphy has been one of the best hitting second basemen in the game the past couple of seasons and has proven to be around a .300 hitter....this kid is 20, was dealt for a quarter of a season of Marlon Byrd and hasn't even played in AAA. Relax.

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

We shouldn't trade a 20 year old who "tears it up." We should build our future with that player. You only trade prospects like that when you have "two of the same." If Herrera tears it up, we'll need to make a decision on Flores.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

mixture of adaption (by pitchers and him) and Sept call-ups makes this a skewered sample 

Michael Egan
Michael Egan

Or let Herrera come up. Hopefully he tears it up and he can be traded for something good.

howinnb
howinnb

Look what we have

1B- he can hit home runs-decent fielder-can't hit lefties

2b-good hitter, not a good enougn fielder

ss- nothing

3b-an aging rbi man who does not hit HR but a good fielder and team builder

lf- many AAA people but Campbell can hit.

cf- a great defensive fielder and a decent hitter

rf- a total loss

c- a decent fielder and a decent hitter

starters- very good

relief- not bad

With good pitching and a better defensive middle infield and a big OF hitter we could contend.

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

Can the kid at least play a game or two before we try to decide what to do with him?

Tom Bool
Tom Bool

Here we go, the powers that be pushing another prospect; people here drinking the Kool Aid thinking he is automatically the next Pedroia.  Sandy's continuous  plan of smoke and mirrors is still working I see.

clyons99
clyons99

Move Herrera to short, sign Murphy to an extension. Get a left fielder. Doesn't sound all that hard.

semperfi
semperfi

Herrera gives us the lead off man that we lost in Reyes with better D than Murph who is not a good value at $10 mil+ at 2B, much better to reinvest $ on a big right handed bat, DM can bring value back on his own but package with Niese, Colon or Gee and you get a lot more on the return. Let Reynolds and Flores fight for SS with Tejada out.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

I've read the conspiracy theory on why the Wilpons hold back on spending to make the club competitive. If the 2017-2020 time-frame becomes a reality then I believe the Mets will be sold and moved to Montreal. Just remember that Selig had the Mets play an exhibition game there at the beginning of the season. Montreal wants a major league team. The land under CitiField is worth $ Billions in redevelopment. The Wilpons currently are involved with Willets Point re-development (next to Citifield) with the same time-frame for completion. . Not convinced that this is a coincidence. . . Read up..... 

howinnb
howinnb

only because I am fed up with no progress

howinnb
howinnb

Do the Mets have a strategy and a bankroll to back up the strategy? The pitching starting seems to be there. The relief pitching with Parmell should be ok. The middle infield needs better fielders. With strong pitching, excellent infield defense, a great defensive center fielder and a big bat; then we can have progress.

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

Herrera is flashing more power in the minors than Murphy ever did and his bat looks great. Murph is hitting 30 and he's not likely to be prime when this team makes a serious run. You put him on the block and see what you can get. Plan to sign him this off-season and accept that you may lose him to FA.


If you don't do it, now, you're never going to move on until Murphy becomes a rich, older FA and you won't be any better off.


I think someone will want his bat after an offensively challenged year like this one and I think you move him even if you're unsure about 2B.

kmannj
kmannj

Here's the deal. The Mets are going to base their success on the young pitching they have. With the focus being on pitch counts and limiting innings its is imperative that those young pitchers are not forced to extend themselves by needing to get 4 or 5outs in an inning due to bonehead errors which Murphy can't seem to avoid. In one game in MIlwaukee a 2 out error cost Wheeler an additional 28 pitches and 2 unearned runs. The point here is we need a real second baseman and shortstop who make the routine plays routinely. I'll take that with a .280 average 50 doubles and some steals. The Mets will never rise to the next level with Murphy as a starter.

matmil
matmil

Depends on what they get for Murph

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

I'm not sure I agree with that. Herrera should be a big upgrade on defense so it becomes a question if whether he can hit. He probably has the potential to be a better hitter than Murphy, but does it happen and when. The fact that he's raking in AA as a 20 year old is a good sign.

zoddie
zoddie

@grillruben  The fact that he is 20 is part of the reason why everyone is so excited.  He is the youngest position player in his league and is one of the best hitters at AA and plays a premium defensive position.  Everyone loves Murphy and he absolutely deserved to be an all-star this year, but this kid could be special.


The fact that we got him for a couple of months of Byrd just shows that Sandy knows how to make a good trade.

fourwedges
fourwedges

@howinnb I would love to close my eyes and have Granderson's contract gone.  But since he is here, having 20 hr & 70 rbi's for one of your OF's is not a total loss.  (this is not Jason Bay)

zoddie
zoddie

@Tom Bool  Who are "the powers that be?"


Your plan would be to not promote prospects when our all-star second baseman gets hurt?

matmil
matmil

Is he a decent base stealer?

Bob Burket
Bob Burket

@semperfi  We don't even know if the kid can hit yet much less be a Reyes like player. Calm down

matmil
matmil

Your dreaming buddy

Elvin Tejada
Elvin Tejada

@MetsFan1962 That's ridiculous. If the Mets are moving to Montreal, I'm moving to Montreal.

The Mets are worth a lot of money to MLB because they're in NY -- they have history here. This is a baseball town. Montreal will probably get a team like the Rays, a franchise that doesn't have a lot of present value.

Montreal isn't a baseball town, and if the Mets moved there the franchise would lose all of it's value. The only thing people in Montreal want back is the Expo's; for it's novelty factor, not because they love baseball.     

mvmet
mvmet

@MetsFan1962 Great,,, then maybe someone else can support a new NY Mets team in the city..good riddance

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

@kingsword1 @mi He's all of 5ft8, That's why he plays second base! He's 5ft 10 in elevator shoes!!!!!

loopenark
loopenark

@Pete Brilvitch  He has the potential to be a better hitter than the player who is currently leading the NL in hits and was second in the NL in hits last season? Come on now. Let's try to remain a bit realistic!

mi
mi

@Pete Brilvitch this has 0 to do with herrara being a better player than murphy and everything to do with money.. to say that herrara can be a beter hitter than murphy is just flatout foolish

matmil
matmil

These people have no idea what they are talking about. If the Wilpons have been given some kind of deal to develop that area it's because somebody thinks they are suckers and like Madoff are going to take them for a ride.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

I said he has the potential to be a better than Murphy. What's so unrealistic about that? Murphy when at his best is a .300 hitter who doesn't walk much and has little power. I'm not saying that's bad, but why couldn't Dilson do that at some point in his career? The fact that's he's raking in AA as a 20 year would suggest he may eventually be able to do that,

Couldn't agree more, the Mets who will do everything in there power not to bring up minor league talent to save money 5 years from now, suddenly decide to bring up Herrara just when Murphy is reaching arbitration/free agency. Don't get me wrong I welcome Herrara coming up but I'd like for him to have played SS this season in AA . The reason they kept him at 2nd is to have a excuse not to sign Murphy.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@mi @Pete Brilvitch  I don't think it's foolish to say that Herrera could eventually be a better hitter than Murphy some day. I like Murphy and he is a good hitter, but he doesn't exactly put up HOF numbers. Yes, this has a lot to do with not paying Murphy down the road, but I do think the organization feels he can be a lot more than an adequate replacement