Duda Davis

Ike Davis is the starting first baseman, but Duda is still the ‘starter’

4:10 pm: Ike Davis will start at first base Thursday, but Terry Collins later said Lucas Duda is still ‘the starter,’ likely starting three out of every four games at first base.

Collins also said Josh Satin will likely get one start in Los Angeles against a left-handed starting pitcher.


11:11 am: Thursday will be second time Davis has started since Collins announced last week that Duda would get the majority of at bats against right-handed starting pitchers.

So far this season, Duda has started five games at first base, Davis has started two, and Satin has started one.

Maggie Wiggin, Contributor

The season is young and samples are small, but the overall productivity from Duda, Davis and Satin has not been terrible. In 32 plate appearances this season, Mets first basemen have a .730 OPS, which ranks 16 out of the 30 MLB teams. They are also in the middle of the pack in home runs, runs scored and RBI. Duda alone would rank similarly, with his .773 OPS coming in at No. 13 among starting first baseman in baseball.

Since being named the full-time first baseman, he’s done even better, putting up a .919 OPS since last Friday. It’s far too early to draw any conclusions about how any one of these players will produce over a full season, but the good news is that so far the team has not been stuck with a black hole at first base –  despite their overall offensive struggles. However, with the constant upheaval and uncertainty surrounding the position, it’s hard to imagine any of these players getting into a rhythm – and that will certainly impact impact their production.

All this talk of “auditions,” and assessment, is pointless if the player is benched after just four games (especially when those games are largely successful). Again, the Mets need to pick a player and stick with him — except this time, they need to mean it.




172 comments
Doubleday
Doubleday

Sooner or later, one of these guys (Duda or Ike) has to be Wally Pipp.

nyjnym
nyjnym

send down duda, and omar get rid of lannan, call up flores and walters and when young is back you can get rid brown (who should get more pt at the moment). keep ey as a 4th OF. move juan into leadoff 

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

It's dinner time.  Think I'll order the Mets First Base Special, the two patty stinkburger with a side of brows. Available soon at the Shake Shack.  

Nicholas Vargas
Nicholas Vargas

They better not trade Davis. I hope pulls tonight. I swear if Davis catches fire and the Mets trade him, I'm done with this front office. Joes was on point on Daily News just now.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

Angels are starting LHPs in Game 1 & 3 so how come Satin isn't starting both of those games?

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

Collins has announced he will be having the baby back ribs at Applebees on Thursday night. Although, he would like the media to know that on most nights he intends to go with the sizzling steak platter for the majority of the season.

adam
adam

This is absurd!!! Pick a starter and stick with them. Anybody who thinks this is a good idea is a dope.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

Its really hard for Terry guys. He has to come out and announce a starter and hope he makes the right call. If there was such a thing as a full month of say practice games that don't count before the real season starts where you could access who you feel will help your team more than this would be a lot easier.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

Maybe I'm an idiot but I like this situation. Neither of these guys deserve anything. And the competition is great for evryone.

Mike Garrison
Mike Garrison

Duda is the 'starter' but two other guys will start in the next 4 games - otherwise known as a platoon, Terry.


Stick to one guy please, and let it be Ike.

hankincolo
hankincolo

Beat Reporter: Terry who's going to play first base? 

TC: Glad you asked, right now Ike will start every Thursday game, as long as the date on the calendar ends in an odd number. Lucas will be at first when the moon is in the 7th house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars. Are you with me so far? 

Beat Reporter: Uh, yeah, I think so. 

TC: Now this is where Satin comes in, his job will be to toss the ball to Ike or Lucas when they come off the field. Satin will however, play on most Sundays, but only in a month that ends with "Y"

nwmets
nwmets

The title of this article isn't confusing at all!

Keith Allen-Verdi
Keith Allen-Verdi

Duda is hitting 182..that's quite impressive lol..he has really earned his job..god this organization has no clue

Mets0987
Mets0987

Btw for all of the Gonzalez Germen haters, he's retired 16 of 17 batters if u didn't see it already.

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

Maggie, sometimes I wonder where in the world your head is at. Lucas Duda has been absolutely HORRENDOUS with the exception of two back to back ABs. If you are telling me that Lucas Duda has been good since being named the first base starter because of his OPS numbers since Friday, then I am going to tell you that OPS is the most meaningless statistic in a sport full of meaningless statistics. I don't know if you are calculating correctly, but you cannot tell me that a guy who has a .181 Avg. (4/22) is approaching a 1.00 OPS. Any statistic you apply to Duda at this point is extremely premature & is significantly inflated due to his 2 HR in one game. The bottom line is this:

Duda: .181 Avg. (4/22), .250 OBP, 41% K% (9 K in 22 AB), 9:2 K:BB, 2 HR, 4 RBI;

Davis: .400 Avg. (4/10), .455 OBP, 10% K% (1K in 10 AB), 1:1 K:BB, 1 HR, 4 RBI

Lucas Duda has ZERO business being the starting first baseman on this team. It makes it even more apparent when you compare his 2014 thus far to that of Ike Davis. I don't know if you are a Duda apologist or a Duda lover, but that meaningless OPS number you threw out there is the ONLY statistic that says Duda hasn't been an absolute, utter, abject failure at first base this year. As far as I'm concerned, I've seen enough of Lucas Duda the past three seasons that I don't want to see him anymore. The front office got their wish, they gave Duda his third starting job in as many years, and he has failed. There shouldn't be a question anymore as to who the everyday first baseman should be; it's Ike Davis. As a matter of fact, with as well as I've seen Davis hit this year - especially driving pitches the other way - I would give him the nod everyday, not in a platoon with Satin (who is nothing more than a decent complimentary player). The Mets should DFA Duda & take the 10 day window they have to try to acquire at least a bat rack for him. If they can't, then cut him loose & let him go play in some other organization's AAA team. That is where he belongs, in the minors, not as the starting first baseman for the Mets.

As for your post, Maggie, I feel it is negligible of you to reach a conclusion by emphasizing one premature statistic while completely ignoring numerous other statistics that absolutely contradict your argument. You should know that OPS is a statistic that is best used at season's end, not 2 weeks in. However, statistics like OBP, K%, K:BB, and even Batting Avg. are good gauges as to how a player is performing. Bad post, Maggie. That post is on par with Duda's 2014 performance.

John Paul Cullinane
John Paul Cullinane

"Has not been terrible"

...another montra for the Mets to strive for greatness?

hankincolo
hankincolo

My suspicion. TC prefers Ike. Upper mgmt wants Duda to get a shot, so TC gave him a little taste and will dicker with this for a while, until it becomes clear Duda can't handle the job on a daily basis. If he can, great, but I think TC sees Ike as a fall back position he will likely employ in the end.  

mrroper
mrroper

The mets are handing first base like the jets handle quarterbacks. Soon they will be bringing in tebow. Make a decision and stick with it already. All options are not good, but not making an actual decision is the worst decision possible. Little hands is either too indecisive to manage at this level or his little hands are tied behind his back and someone else is making his decisions for him.

Sean Arnell
Sean Arnell

This is insane. I don't care how high Duda's OPS is because he walks a lot. HOW MANY RUNS IS HE DRIVING IN!? That should still be the main focus, not OPS.


All the "experts" attacked the D-Backs this off-season for acquiring Trumbo, because he was a "one-dimensional player". That one dimension was hitting for power, and driving in runs. THAT'S HIS JOB as a first baseman, who bats in the middle of the order. We should be looking for the same from ours.

nolrog
nolrog

If Ike is going to start every 3rd game then Duda is not the starting 1B.  Stop with this already.

Robert Smith
Robert Smith

This is the stuff that's wrong with modern baseball. Let us harken back to 1969, the year the Mets won their first world championship - with THREE first basemen (Kranepool, Clendenon, Shamsky) all SHARING time.

And nobody had to be hospitalized for the "stress" of not being an everyday player.


PUH-leeze. Today's sports are a bunch of whining babies, covered by a media wearing diapers, no less.

72tilltc
72tilltc

@Zach Goeringer  Davis is a better fielder and saves errors. He is lefthanded and has more range. He has actually had long stretches of allstar play. He even runs faster than Duda. Duda might hang in better against lefties and might walk more. Since Satin will play vs Lefties and walking doesnt drive in runs we dont need Dudas particular skill set. Anyone asking Colllins to judge a player is asking for a miracle . He Liked Turner Eamus Cowgill Carrasco Ankiel to name a few. 

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

Unless ofcourse there is a left handed chef scheduled for that day, then he plans to change his order altogether.

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

@Zach Goeringer We had that, Spring Traning, they both showed up out of condition and got petty injuries that required them to sit out the normal process. 


All the more reason to part with both of them as soon as the situation presents itself.

adam
adam

You're and idiot. This isn't good for Ike or Duda. How can you get in a rhythm if you're playing every other day??? If it was goog idea the other 29 teams would do it. And we certainly aren't at the forefront of innovation, we're just dumb.

nwmets
nwmets

@John Paul Cullinane  

1985: "Baseball like it oughta be!"

2014: "Hey, they're not terrible!"

Olerud42
Olerud42

@Sean Arnell  It is not the job of the first baseman specifically to drive in runs. It is to contribute offensively to the team. Getting on base is really important, as is hitting for power. If Duda can get on base, he's a useful player.

Mike Garrison
Mike Garrison

@Robert Smith  I haven't heard one player complain, so this argument doesn't make an sense. In fact all players involved have been very supportive of each other based on their comments.

Kim Jong-un
Kim Jong-un

Let's not diminish the achievement of a team nicknamed the Miracle Mets who did what was needed to win ballgame after ballgame and deliver a sobering loss to earl weaver and one of his great orioles clubs. I would assume the sharred time you mentioned was not born out of the indecisivness of puppet leadership. They are paralyzed by their neurotic inability to make a decision and ride it out. They fear being burned in a trade where davis or duda goes on to hit 25-30HR but fails to acknowledge that they will only languish here. It boggles my mind that under the relentless scrutiny of the NY media, the mets would rather keep duda who suffers from anxiety, has never grabbed the reigns at 1b when davis was hurt or demoted. Davis is perhaps more maddening when you consider his rookie year, the 1st month of 2011, the 2nd half of 2012, and the 2nd half of 2013 that saw him hit for average but lost power due to an oblique injury. I would give davis another year at least to see if he can put it all together instead of showing deconstructed promise that culminates in 3 minths of power patience and promise headimg into next season

hankincolo
hankincolo

@Robert Smith Robert, I harkened back to '69 and checked the stats, Shamsky, a lefty batter, played mostly RF, 63 in right, 16 in left and only 9 games at first. Clendenon was acquired mid-season and shared first with Eddie, but it was definitely not a 3 headed "platoon." 

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@Robert Smith Funny you should mention that.  It was December 24th of 1969 when the heroic Curt Flood brought his historic law suit against major league baseball challenging its reserve clause.  No longer would the players be indentured servants.  I'm glad it's not 1969 anymore, and I'm glad the owners are now more accountable for their actions.  


And BTW, the 2 clowns plus Satin we're stuck with now couldn't hold the jocks of Kranepool, Clendenon and Shamsky.  No one complained because their was nothing to complain about. 

zoddie
zoddie

The only people whining are the fans on this board and those talk radio bozos. No players have said a single thing about the current situation. No whining, complaining, leaking to the press, etc.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@rstpigeon @Zach Goeringer I was being sarcastic. I know they were hurt half the time but it doesn't take a lot of at bats to see that you are simply picking your poison. I would have went with Davis simply because he has more trade value and we could showcase him. I don't like Kendrys Morales as a player but he is worlds better than what we have. Its pretty simple really, if we want the 1st base situation to get better then we have to spend money which seems to be a perplexing notion to our front office.

nwmets
nwmets

@adam  You just called someone an idiot after typing "you're and idiot"?? That's like Terry Collins calling someone a bad manager.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

Ya Ike really had it goin last year when he played everyday

GamedayHQ
GamedayHQ

@bobbyfalls9412 Ike seems to have the most potential. But he is a confidence guy & this stuff can't be helping. He need to get on a big run.

hankincolo
hankincolo

TC: Kid, glad you asked. This is where Satin's versatility comes in handy. Since he's only going to be a Sunday guy, sometimes, he gets the job. On those Sundays where he is playing, we'll pick names out of a hat.

Beat Reporter: yeah, but what happens if the guy who gets the big hit was already chosen?

TC: oh that's easy, that guy will hold his own pie and then pie himself.  

Beat Reporter: Yeah, but that'll take away from the "surprise" factor. 

TC: Not really, see kid, we'll tell the interviewer to say, ... hey, look over there, and then the interviewer will smash the pie in the hitter's face. He'll be distracted, he'll be relaxed, and he'll never know what hit him, uh, sort of.  :)

openmind6
openmind6

@Olerud42

I swear everyone has a love affair with Davis simply because he isn't playing. Stick him in there everyday, watch him morph back into Strike Davis and these same posters will be screaming to send him back to AAA again, just like last year.

openmind6
openmind6

@Olerud42

I swear everyone has a love affair with Davis simply because he isn't playing. Stick him in there everyday, let him suck and guaranteed these same posters will scream to kick him down to AAA, just like last year.

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

Duda is getting on base at a .250 clip, whereas Davis has an OBP of .450. Who is the more useful player?

zoddie
zoddie

@Macacawitz @Robert Smith Yeah, Duda and Davis couldn't hold the JOCKS of Ed Kranepool and Donn Clendenon in 1969!  Ed and Donn were so much better, right?


Kranepool 1969 - .238/.307/.368 - 87 OPS+

Duda lifetime - .245/.340/.425 - 113 OPS+

Duda as a 1b - .264/.368/.442

Davis lifetime - .243/.334/.437 - 112 OPS+

Clendenon '69 - .248/.303/.432 - 103 OPS+



File this one under - "this is why we keep statistics in baseball."

I bet those guys had way more GRIT and ATTITUDE and INTANGIBLES, though, right?


Good call on the reserve clause, though.  Players have every right to demand millions from their billionaire owners.  Or, in the Mets case, thousandaire owners.



nwmets
nwmets

@hankincolo  You forgot about the part where Terry says "Once the pie guy gets going, he'll be fine." :-)