Montero

Was Rafael Montero tipping pitches against Yankees?

Mets rookie RHP Rafael Montero may have been tipping pitches in his start last week, pitching coach Dan Warthen said (NY Post, May 20).

“We changed things to see if we can get that rectified,” Warthen is quoted as saying.

Montero allowed three runs in six innings during his debut against the Yankees last week at Citi Field.

“I couldn’t have asked for anything better,” Terry Collins said after Montero’s first start. “I really liked him. This guy’s going to be good.”

He makes his second career start tonight facing the Dodgers at 7:10 pm.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

May 15: Montero hit his spots well, there is no denying it. This is his calling card and it’s well earned. My only concern with him, as it was during Spring Training, is if he’s even slightly off he ends up grooving fastballs, which good hitters will tee off on. That said, he barely used his change-up (in his first start), which will help this. I’m guessing the idea was to just play to his strengths until otherwise needed. I was also impressed with how he got more economical later in the game. He tossed 69 pitches through three innings, but grew more efficient as the game went on. This is rare for a young pitcher, especially a guy making his big-league debut, and something that gives more confidence about his ability to stick around.




25 comments
Brian Webster
Brian Webster

Oh great Warthen is tinkering with Montero's delivery guess that means we should expect him to be terrible from here on out. If he was really tipping his pitching vs the Yanks in that band box and still only gave up 3 runs in 6 innings either he's really great or the Yanks have no ability to recognize it.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

If they caught it, that's great. However now we have to watch the fix they apply, so his next start may as well be debut number 2.

victor leo
victor leo

this coaching staff couldn't tell if a pitcher was tipping his pitches, nor can they tell that Lagares swing was off this is why he sat for 4 days. or the Tajada's swing is so good right now. Please they are so clueless. Wheeler has to definitely be tipping

blaze
blaze

How many times have we heard " he was tipping his pitches" line n it was so called corrected n there was no difference in result

Doubleday
Doubleday

It always concerns me when Dan Warthen "changes things" ... 

mets1973
mets1973

If he pitched this well while tipping his pitches imagine how effective he could be without tipping them!!! Wow.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

"Mets rookie RHP Rafael Montero may have been tipping pitches in his start last week, pitching coach Dan Warthen said" . . .Dan Warthen, you are his pitching coach. You can't tell when one of your pitchers is tipping? Are you not watching them throughout the game?

Matt Drucker
Matt Drucker

Don't worry guys. Mr. Magoo is on the case!

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Only one way for Montero to learn.. and that's to let him pitch.

Jerry Colfer
Jerry Colfer

Nice write up. Montero seems so relaxed and fluid. It looks like he hides his pitches and fields his position well.. Looking forward to watching!

slainte2
slainte2

matt - how is montero different from other pitchers that would result in him grooving fastballs if slightly off ... is his fastball straighter, or slower than others?  does he rely more on pinpoint location than others?  the guy's results have been pretty spectacular almost every step of the way, wondering why you suggest he has smaller margin of error than our other prospects.

Joe Kurioo
Joe Kurioo

O lord, Please leave the kid alone

Doubleday
Doubleday

@Sean Garcia  I think that when Gee returns, he will be activated, and it will be announced that he will start Saturday.  But he won't.  In fact,  he will  not be inserted into the rotation at all.  Nor will he relieve.  Meanwhile, Daisuke Matsuzaka will get a start, "Just to keep him fresh."

anymos
anymos

@slainte2 Only time I saw him pitch was the Yankee game, so take this with a grain of salt- but he doesn't have overpowering stuff- so he has to live on movement, location, and change of speed.  So, if he makes a mistake and leaves a fastball over the plate, its less likely the hitter will miss it than it would be for them to miss a 97 MPH fastball in the same spot.

seltzerm
seltzerm

@jlga  Yeah, because it would have been a shock for Collins not to start him otherwise, right?

jlga
jlga

Of course you did. That's why you were so quick to judge.

seltzerm
seltzerm

@jlga  Oh yeah, forgot he had a death in the family.

jlga
jlga

He might play if he gets back in time.

Eric Luciano
Eric Luciano

@JimmyFromDBX  if it doesn't matter at this level why do clubs love hard throwers? it most definitely matters. its the difference between a mediocre player hitting it out, or whiffing. the elite hitters dont matter, not the entire league. thats nonsense. speed matters.