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Vic Black will start the year in Triple-A

Mets reliever Vic Black will begin the season in Triple-A Las Vegas, the team announced today.

In 10 games this spring, Black, has a 5.79 ERA, allowing 13 hits and walking 10 batters, in 9 1/3 innings.

Black, 25, entered spring training expected to be the team’s primary setup man to closer Bobby Parnell.

He had a 3.46 ERA in 15 appearances for the Mets last season after being traded from the Pirates for Marlon Byrd and John Buck.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Now the question is: Who takes his place? I figured Black would join Bobby ParnellCarlos TorresJose Valverde, Jeurys FamiliaScott Rice and John Lannan in the Opening Day bullpen. Gonzalez Germen is the only guy on the 40-man who is still in camp that makes sense for this role, and he’s looked good this spring, despite his 5.40 ERA. If I had to guess, I’d say he gets the final slot…




71 comments
mets2891
mets2891

I'm truly convinced if this guy didn't have a cool name he'd be out of baseball by now.

Jerry Colfer
Jerry Colfer

I am surprised that Matt Cerrone was surprised that Black went down. His spring was nothing short of horrible and he needed to earn his way into the pen. I do expect him to be back, but he needs to step it up to be a reliable arm out of the bullpen.

Al Boogz
Al Boogz

Like others have mentioned, I have concerns about this sort of news being sprung as if it hasn't been apparent. Black's troubles should have been discussed, and d'Arnaud's difficulties at the plate should have been issues earlier.

Might be an SNY issue with Metsblog being restricted to discuss certain players/topics but, who knows.

adam
adam

Vic Black stinks. "He looked good this spring despite a 5.40 ERA." C'mon Cerrone!!!! Do you think fat girls are just big boned????? Metsblog overrates talent. Travis D'Arnaud stinks too. Let's admit it people. He's the size of a big midget, has an awful plate approach, and looks Josh Thole look like Johhny Bench.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

Ya smart move black looked awful, he seems to have pretty good stuff but his control was not good didn't look ready for the big leagues

hashburry
hashburry

Opinion:  Metsblog has totally overrated Black's talent since the trade.  Please stop pretending to be talent evaluators.  

rico
rico

Familia or Germen, let Black and Edgin, Leathersich earn their way back 

grillruben
grillruben

This bullpen is starting to look very concerning. I didn't ever think Black was going to be good. He throws a flat fastball and gets hit hard almost every time he pitches. The guy who's really impressed me is Familia. I think he winds up being our closer pretty early into the season. Parnell isn't quite there yet.

nagel100
nagel100

Familla had a very good spring.  could wind up closing if Parnell does not recover his fastball.


met pen is just another weak point for the team.

Doubleday
Doubleday

As I recall, Black wasn't the touted part of deal - Dillson Herrera was.  Black was the PTBNL.

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

I bet they use Jeurys Familia as the setup man. Why would they use Germen after the ST that Familia had?

Tom Crimmins
Tom Crimmins

Someone at CBS Sports had fun with this headline: "Out-of-whack Vic Black going back to minors"

Michael Mee
Michael Mee

I don't get this. Spring is way too small a sample size to judge a pitcher (or a hitter). He should have been a lock.

Doubleday
Doubleday

On topic: Black spent too much time fishing with Rob from SNY, and not enough time pitching, this spring.

Off topic: Conspicuously missing from PSL This spring were Sandy Koufax and Tom Seaver.

eric88
eric88

This is the guy we refused to give up for Franklin. Watching him pitch and Tejada botch another grounder, I thought watching the game how nice it would be having that power/rbi bat at SS who probably makes the plays on the half dozen ground balls I have Tejada botch this spring. Watching Tejada play, he really has no positive dimension to his game. He is just NOT a viable winning Major League SS.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

I think I'll to the game on Tuesday.  I'll get a really good seat really cheap and I'll be watching baseball.  This makes me happy......even if the team is a putrid pile of talentless, oversold mediocrity, owned by a couple of ponzi scheming fools who could not have done a worse job of ruining this franchise if they tried. I'm willing to overlook that, at least temporarily.

11gilkey
11gilkey

Vic Black was anointed by Cerrone as some stellar setup man and possibly a closer and a sure lock for the bullpen.  Why?  I have no idea.  Why was everyone so high on Vic Black anyway.  Because he had a couple of good outings in garbage time last September.  I'm glad he's starting the year in AAA.  I've heard him in interviews and he's arrogant and I'm sure he thought he was lock to make the team too.  Now he can go down to AAA and try to earn his way onto the team.  

xplr
xplr

Your projected 2014 New York Mets starters:

Eric Young - hit .251 with an amazing 7 lifetime homeruns

Daniel Murphy - Plays 5 positions, all badly

David Wright - Mets Captain and would love to be traded to a winner

Curtis Granderson - hit .229 last, lowest of his career

Chris Young - hit a stellar .200 last year

Lucas Duda / Ike Davis - Both capable of hitting below .200 and striking out often

Travis d'Arnaud - Already looks like a bust. Hit .202 last year and .171 in spring training

Ruben Tejada - Batted .202 last year


With players like these, the rest of the National League must be encouraged greatly.

fuldsadick
fuldsadick

Ronny Cedeno was just released by Philly,,,look at the numbers..he is a  better all-around SS than Tejeda,Omar and Seratelli

ofdzca7
ofdzca7

I like German, & thought he should be part of the pen anyway. The guy I don't see the point in carrying is Lannan.

Kevin McManus
Kevin McManus

Black just didn't earn a spot this spring as he pitched horribly but somehow seemed to assume he was guaranteed a spot based off last season's progress and performance. Black may eventually excell as set up guy or closer but he has to learn to" pitch" and not just throw as Parnell once did. He has an aggressive demeanor on the mound. Unfortunately that bulldog attitude of his may play against him if he does not pitch with some control . He really needs to mature as he has lots of potential but also the potential to regress after being demoted hits his ego We can only hope he uses the PCL to learn to pitch under control and not worry about all those pop ups that end up HRs. Black would have benefitted from Viola

drmetfan
drmetfan

Black went in with the wrong game plan this spring. He was over throwing his fast ball and lost command of it. He needs to find his groove but it will not be with the big club. AAA is the way to go here for him. He will be fine.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

Not saying its a bad move, but there are certain players on this team that regardless of their performance during the spring have a guaranteed starting spot on this team. I'm surprised with Black's potential that he isn't automatically awarded that luxary like the others.

sell
sell

@Al Boogz  They refuse to be objectively critical of the team and are too soft to be taken seriously.

fhc1224
fhc1224

@adam Read his post before jumping down his throat.  He did not say Black looked good despite a 5.40 era.  He was refering to Germen and he is right as Germen's era is skewd by 1 or 2 appearences very early in spring.  He has been very good since.  Make sure you know your ass from your elbow before critizing someone else.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

Parnell was awesome last year, did u watch any games last year?

jamets
jamets

I agree with you about spring, but how do you conclude that Black should have been a lock?  He only pitched 17 innings in the majors last year and he was good, but he didn't exactly dominate.   Spring training shouldn't count more than a proven track record, but Black doesn't have a proven track record.

dabo
dabo

@Michael Mee  He was terrible every time he pitched.  Some more time in AAA would help him get ready.  He does have great stuff but controlling it is the problem.

eric88
eric88

@doubleday  And me. In Fla but will not go to their game. Saw them in Fort Myers this spring at the twins.

nymess
nymess

@eric88 where'd you hear that? Mets would have given up Black in a heartbeat for Franklin...the whole idea that the Mariners would even consider that trade came from this blog.

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@eric88  refused to give up? I was away for a week in Chicago training for something, so did i miss something? When was there a solid offer for Franklin?

eric88
eric88

@Macacawitz   Eat before the game, don't spend at the concessions. Starve Wilpon so we can get rid of the SOB

jamets
jamets

He would certainly be an upgrade from Quintanilla.

John Paul Cullinane
John Paul Cullinane

Unfortunately he's nothing special and not really an upgrade...also, I never want to see the name "Cedeno" on the back of a Mets jersey again...

Ariel Kirshenbaum
Ariel Kirshenbaum

@Orlando Fernandez  second lefty is really useful especially with the mets, year after year they would carry one lefty (pedro feliciano, scott rice) and would burn him out because he was overused

Al Boogz
Al Boogz

@sell @Al Boogz  They provide great access and good information. They may also have a mandate to not be objectively critical that comes down from SNY brass...so take it for what it is, exceptional access, and be pleased for it.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@eric88 @MacacawitzNotice I put down Tuesday.  There's no game scheduled for Tuesday.  There's a blizzard watch for next week.

xplr
xplr

@Eric Falkman @ifti99  You obviously missed the Lets Go Mets post. It was a take o theirs. I guess that went right over your head....

dabo
dabo

@testiculon @Orlando Fernandez  Love Lannan in the pen we need another lefty and I think he will do well.  There is something to having a veteran in the pen working with the guys.  Great move!!!!

ofdzca7
ofdzca7

@Ariel Kirshenbaum @Orlando Fernandez  I know, I hear you. But not just any lefty. Lannan's career splits don't tell us lefties find him harder to hit. His career OPS against lefties is exactly the same as versus righty bats (.755)

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@mets2014 @Zach Goeringer Tejeda is only in his 3rd full year, had an awful spring and much lower potential celing than Black, and not starting him at shortstop was never an option for them. Ike Davis isn't exactly a vet. He's been a miserable player for 2 years now and sat out most of spring training, had a couple good at bats for half a week and was awarded the starting job without a blink.

nym68
nym68

@mets2014 @Zach Goeringer  exactly. Black acted like a veteran who had the team made instead of a rookie trying to make the team. I like him, but he's a little too full of himself for someone at this stage of his career

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@dabo @Pete Brilvitch @Zach Goeringer @mets2014 We could have made options for ourselves. If they were serious about trading for a shortstop it would have been done already. If they were serious about giving Flores a shot at ss then he would have gotten more than 4 games there this spring. I know the way the team operates at this point, and I would put up a lot of money that back in December they already knew Tejeda would be their starting shortstop, and rather then use that 3 months to find a legitimate option, they instead spent that time pitching their willingness to settle to their fan base. Kris Medlan went down for the Braves and within 3 days they had a replacement for him. If they wanted a new shortstop we would have had one already one way or another.

dabo
dabo

@Pete Brilvitch @Zach Goeringer @mets2014  Not true I believe if there was a real option behind Tejada he would have been shipped out long ago.  Signing Drew is not a real option because with his salary and draft pick compensation the price tag would be close to 30 million for a one year pick.  That was talked about on a podcast from ESPN.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@Zach Goeringer @mets2014 Hard to say that Ike's been miserable for 2 years now when his 2012 season produced 32 Hrs. If his 2012season was as bad as 2013. I don't think he'd be awarded the starting job. I understand your point though.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@mets2014 @Zach Goeringer Again not saying its a bad move, its just funny how players who are in a similar boat can be treated so differently depending on who they are.