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Vic Black is not surprised he was demoted to Triple-A

The Mets demoted reliever Vic Black to Triple-A Las Vegas on Wednesday.

He entered camp a front-runner to make the Opening Day bullpen, but he let 23 runners to reach base in just 9 1/3 innings.

“I didn’t see it coming, but I also couldn’t expect anything different really because what I did was struggle all spring,” Black said (ESPN, Mar. 26). “I know they were disappointed, as am I, which is part of it. But I’ll be back.”

Black, 25, was acquired with infielder Dilson Hererra from the Pirates for Marlon Byrd and John Buck toward the end of last summer.

Michael Baron, Contributor

The roster spot was his to lose, especially since there weren’t (and still aren’t) inspiring options behind him. But, he was horrible this spring and looked completely different than he did during his time with the team last September. He was all over the place, he didn’t throw quality strikes and he got absolutely tattooed as a result.

Black has a quirky delivery and uses a double-clutch prior to his leg kick as a timing mechanism, and I wonder if he’s just been off with his motion, which has caused an inconsistent arm slot. If that’s the case, I expect he’ll be able to work that problem out and find himself back in Queens before too long.




30 comments
Joshua Shapiro
Joshua Shapiro

I don't usually get on the writers here...but if you remove the words "quality strikes" from Baron's pitching vocabulary, he'd have nothing else to add.  You gotta start making another point, get a thesaurus, or just let someone else post pitching analysis.  It got redundant a while back..

rico
rico

Not to worry, pitching coach Frank Viola will straighten him out….oops..


Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

The back-end of the bullpen is iffy.  I hoped Vic Black would thrive, but his growing pains are not surprising.  So, we need someone else to step up.  Papa Grande, for instance. 

yankeehater
yankeehater

With all of the other shenanigans going on with the mets (what else is new), Black was a guy I took for granted as being a valuable member of the team this year. This really blows.

72tilltc
72tilltc

Is anyone surprised that a Sandy acquisition is disappointing Terry Collins,Ankiel, Cowgill Torres, Frank, Rauche, Carrasco, Batista,Marcum, Lyons ,Travis D. The list is far greater. Even Wheeler has not been the 1B he was hyped to be. Noah S. looks good but lets wait. Byrd was his all time greatest find and we have nothing to show for it. 

greekgod
greekgod

I'm making my prediction for 2014........please don't hate me for it, but I've seen ten spring games and do not like what I have seen.


Drum role please: Mets win 65  games!!


But I will watch all  games on TV just the same, they are my team and its a sin that Wilpon & Co.. are the owners.

mets69
mets69

@rico  Very poor taste.... but I kind of agree....  Warthen and company are awful and have done nothing to improve any pitcher.... in fact they have ruined a few.... I wihs the Mets would get rid of them and get some new voices out there.... Viola (thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery) might have been a good choice.... maybe int the future....

mets69
mets69

@Joe Paulson  

IFFY?   They are out right AWFUL.... been complaining about this ad nauseum.... the bullcrap (I am using the polite word) pen has and will continue to cost the Mets wins.... maybe 50-60% of their losses.... the same as last year.... they would have been at least a .500 team and Harvey would have had at least 15+ wins if they had anyone out there who could get the big out.... it is very frustrating to watch a kid pitch brilliantly for 6-7 innings only to have some clown from the bullcrap pen come in and dump the game.... no one has addressed this issue.... I put some blame on the crappy coaches out there too....they do not come into the game prepared to get outs... I have seen it way too many times.... it doesn't matter how many fantastic starters you have.... it is the 8-9 inning that are going to be the downfall of the Mets.... very aggravating but the truth....

grillruben
grillruben

@Joe Paulson Parnell is also concerning. I look at Familia as the eventual closer this season. At least until Parnell gets his velocity up.

mets69
mets69

@Wayno  

This is not really  a manager problem.... per se.... it is an ownership problem.... be that as it may.... there is talent... the manager's success can be linked to the coaching staff.... I think they should get rid of Warthen and Hudgens.... neither of them has done a good job.... the hitting is awful.... the bullcrap pen is awful....  maybe some new voices out there would help the situation.... I see talent wasted and even ruined because of poor coaching... 

Eric Koeller
Eric Koeller

@Wayno  "God i miss Omar" is it possible to use those words together like that in a sentence. 


Omar gave monster contracts to Bay, Castillo, AND Oliver Perez. 


Sandy understands you don't just throw money at people. He's building the team from the bottom up. He got us Wheeler, d'Arnaud, and Syndergaard.

sayhey24
sayhey24

Although I think Sandy is overrated and talks a better game than he plays, I will try to be patient and see what happens with the prospects he's obtained after a couple of years before making final judgement. Its his philosophy that bothers me most though. This obsession with taking pitches is really hurting the confidence and production of our younger players.

yankeehater
yankeehater

@72tilltc You cant put wheeler and  darnaud in the same discussion as Marcum, cowgill, ankiel, etc. Get a grip.

stemog
stemog

@greekgod How to judge spring games when they never once used their regular lineup? You ever here people in the game say "spring training stats mean nothing."

yankeehater
yankeehater

@greekgod the bad news bears would win 65 games.....the 2014 mets will win their normal mid-high 70 games. We need to keep concentrating on good drafts for the next 2 years.

tullydew
tullydew

Come on man...65 wins?

I'm a realist, 74-78 wins

72tilltc
72tilltc

@sayhey24  For sure, the philosophy and the mindset that a manager doesn't affect wins and losses

greekgod
greekgod

@stemog @greekgod  How  do I judge?  Simple. Who on the team   can bat in over 100 runs? Where is the bullpen? Where is the real manager? Who is the owner? Who can win 20 games ?  Or who  can win 20 games?


Simple.

72tilltc
72tilltc

@stemog Wins and losses mean nothing but not hitting bad pitching and the inability to make routine plays mean alot. The fact is the Mets have won enough in ST they play worse than the record.  

72tilltc
72tilltc

@tullydew  Every team wins 60 and loses 60 the remaining 42 are decided by the bullpens, clutch hitting, fundamentals and the manager. We are in trouble!!!!

sayhey24
sayhey24

I agree. If we get decent starting pitching we will likely win in the mid 70s. It will take career years from a few of our offensive guys and unlikely success of our bullpen to do any better.

Mike DeRosa
Mike DeRosa

@Wayno Sounds like a yanks fan. The entire organization and most fans knows that 2014 is a garbage season. With no Harvey, Montero or Syndergaard up in the majors, there is no reason to burn 100mln+ on FAs for a 90% probability of missing the post season.


Let's talk in a year and see where they stand. I guarantee that they do not have Davis/Duda on 1B, Murph on 2B or Tejada on SS. That's basically the entire lineup changed.

72tilltc
72tilltc

@Mike DeRosa  A good manager is cheap and the young pitchers cost less than Colon. 

Mike DeRosa
Mike DeRosa

@72tilltc @stemogLet's do a little roleplay. You are Sandy. I am the Wilpons. 


SANDY WE HAVE NO MONEY. SPEND 40 MILLION AND GET SOMETHING ON THE FIELD. OH AND 60% OF THAT GOES TO WRIGHT. SO REALLY ITS JUST 24 MILLION. GET US MONEY! WE ARE POOR.


Your response? Who would you grab? And you cannot trade any of our pitchers.