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Up and down for Zack Wheeler

Zack Wheeler was tagged for six runs in just two innings Wednesday against the A’s, five days after throwing nine shutout innings against the Marlins.

Wheeler told reporters he felt Oakland may have been stealing signs with a runner on second base, so he requested a change from Travis d’Arnaud during the second inning.

In either case, it was the shortest start of Wheeler’s career, coming on the heels of the best start of his career.

“He pitched so well last week that you thought he would really grab the opportunity and take off,” Terry Collins said after Tuesday’s disappointing loss. “I haven’t seen him hit that hard, probably ever.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The A’s hit Wheeler when runners were on base and not on base, so I doubt it was a matter of stealing signs. The velocity on his fastball was cooking. However, he had zero command over what the ball was doing. This seems to be the difference between a good and bad start for Zack, and it’s something that concerns me going forward. He’s tough, smart and focused, so I know he’ll figure it out, but he needs to quickly learn how to command his fastball and command an inning. It’s fine now, but the day is quickly coming when he’s going to be counted on to adjust and deal with nights when he doesn’t have his best stuff. Last night was one of those nights, and he failed.




32 comments
foophilly
foophilly

Hey Matt you should be more concerned with your grammatical, spelling and factual errors you make on a daily basis than Wheeler's lack of command. Give him some time. Niese was the same at the start of his career and now it looks like he's finally put it all together.

MetsGoLetsGo
MetsGoLetsGo

Still think we should put together a package of Wheeler, Plawecki and a A/AA prospect for a legit all-star caliber corner OF or 1B. Someone who can be inserted into the middle of the lineup and have an immediate impact.


Its not that I don't think Wheeler will be good, but I think out of him, Harvey and Syndergaard he's the one with the most question marks. We need to trade something to get something, and I'm not sure Gee or Colon could get us the type of player we need to anchor down the middle of the lineup. 

owlnut
owlnut

If he pitched consistently well and got bombarded, then I could agree with him. 1st pitches in the middle of the plate to the best team in the majors - and he thinks they are stealing signs? I guess that they were stealing signs when no one was on base, duh.  Stop with the excuses and pitch consistently well. 

Darrell Smith
Darrell Smith

In someways he reminds me of Ryan when he was with the Mets , I say that because of the lack of command he'll have in one St , and in the next st , he'll look like  Matt Harvey.

He  has the stuff but he does not know how to use or have confidence in his secondary pitches.

Noah Baron
Noah Baron

Couldn't it just be that Oakland is really good?  They have scored the most runs in baseball by far.

robby
robby

I agree with with Steve Oakland can do this to almost any pitcher plus look what we did to Kazmir the nite before.  He'll be ok just like deGrom will.

Ricky Gurbal
Ricky Gurbal

Command Command Command....Thats the key for his success,Everyone raves about his electric pitches and he has the "stuff" but if you cant locate buddy you gonna walk and get crushed... Maybe it would be beneficial to send him down... However it all depends on who is helping him with his command TC said he is not in the business of developing talent he is in the business of winning. Maybe the Triple A pitching staff would work more hands on with him maybe not but command has to be the focus on going forward with wheels

Danny Tortorella
Danny Tortorella

Let everyone look back to the last game when SNY put up Zack's first 30 start career numbers compared to Kershaw,Fernandez,Verlander and other top pitchers his numbers were on par or better then their's in some categories that's impressive but I just was hoping these kind of starts were past him. I understand he's young and going to have to adjust and take his lumps but his was a absolute beating after tossing a complete game 3 hit Shutout. He seen early they were being aggressive and swinging at the 1st pitch fastball change it up. He had 2 outs with a man on 1st with Moss up and a chance to get out of that inning and he got behind 2-0 which I knew was trouble wih moss and it was. Really needs to be more of a median with this kid. Was a big game for us let us down didn't even give us a chance

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

Zack, the difference between last start and this start was last game you were nipping at the corners at 96mph, last night you were serving them up on a tee.

bigdirty
bigdirty

Zach only has 33 starts in his career. He is going ot have great starts and some bad ones. He will find a way to become more consisteant and adjust.  His first year in the majors has been very solid and on par with guys like kershaw/verlander. He might not become those guys but he is going to DEVELOP into a top of the rotation guy. In a sense its good that the mets arent trying to contend this year. it give wheeler the chance to get his bad starts in without great consequense. just learn. it takes time to develop.


While I liek Travis and want him to develop, i would love to have seen a guy like John Buck stay with the mets and get Wheeler through these starts. Sometimes a veteran catcher can really help a pitcher in game when he struggles. Travis is figuring himself out while having to push Wheeler through as well. 

Chad Michael
Chad Michael

The stealing signs is obviously an excuse, and a poor one at that.  Wheeler is still very early on in his career and I wouldn't say we should all be worried at all.  He is developing and will learn.  If you are going to get lit up by a team though it might as be the team with one of the best offenses and the best record in baseball.

Sal
Sal

He has Verlander stuff but right now he's AJ Burnett.  Just have to be patient with the guy and hope he can put it together each and every start.

Kurt Carson
Kurt Carson

Darn you Matt Harvey for ruining the joy of watching Wheeler develop. Wheeler should have won 3 Cy Young's already.

simbad
simbad

He's only made 32 starts. That's a full year.  Still a rookie. He'll get into it.

archer41
archer41

It's a disappointing start, but it was against the A's, who are excellent.  Turn the page.  Wheeler will be fine.  And yes, fans need to be patient.  

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Stealing signs?!?  C'mon, Zack. Sack-up! They could have pulled an usher out of the stands and HE'D hit a rope somewhere. There will be days like this. But things will get better.

mets1973
mets1973

Shades of Nolan Ryan 68-71. Overpowering stuff but couldn't control it. Hope Wheeler finds the answer.

Frank Kajtazi
Frank Kajtazi

If he keeps losing like this,he might end up on the trading block!

Straw18
Straw18

I'm actually getting really tired of Wheeler's ups and downs.....let's face it we have seen him for a year and at best he is a number 4 starter....take it for it is....this is why the thought of trading Niese is laughable....Harvey and Niese are 1 and 2 and then you have 6 guys fighting for 4 spots next year....perhaps Wheeler is the odd man out?? 

Nick Squatrito
Nick Squatrito

@Noah Baron Couldnt he have had a good start last week just because the Marlins are really bad? It works both ways. Its amazing that he has one good start against a poor offensive team and fans are ready to make him an ace but when he continuously gets rocked its everything elses fault. He's just not very good. He can be great but it doesnt look like hes showing any signs of controlling his fastball. Sandy fooled us again guys

Ricky Gurbal
Ricky Gurbal

just a sidenote he posted a picture on his instagram last night following the game of a lion with the caption "STAY HUNGRY" ontop of the photo.. glad he has this kind of attitude but the kids gotta put it together!

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@bigdirty  He is still learning. Every pitcher develops differently. He has the tools, he just needs the consistency. Sandy Koufax would have been traded by Mets fans as they would not have waited the five years before he became the greatest pitcher.

Ricky Gurbal
Ricky Gurbal

@Kurt Carson in a year and half of bigleague playing time? Did they start giving out bi-seasonal awards?

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@Kenneth Meltsner  They didn't need to steal the sign when Brandon Moss hit a fat fastball right down the middle of the plate 420 feet.

Chris Weber
Chris Weber

@Kenneth Meltsner If you watched the interview you'd be aware that he did not use that as an excuse at all it was a passing comment. Bob Ojeda explained that post game when his co-host tried to make it a big deal. 

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@Straw18 By the Way, Unless Wheeler does this for 10 straight starts, his spot is basically guaranteed next year along with any other Vets they retain(Niese, Colon, Gee).


Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@Straw18 It's funny really, because we've been spoiled with the instant success of Matt Harvey. Not every pitcher is going to be Matt Harvey, Clayton Kershaw or Jose Fernandez. Some of the best pitchers in the game take several years to figure it out. I can think of two Cy Young winners in Detroit who took 5 plus years to finally hone in on their tremendous talent. Zack is what, 23? 24? His best starts are ahead of him, and he has plenty of time this season to figure it out. Have some patience.

cver
cver

@Straw18 I also wish that we had more consistency from Wheeler.  The thing is that he is still young and being in the majors for one year is nothing.  Patience is required.  We don't know what we have yet - do we have a .500 pitcher or one that will bloom into something really amazing.  He's already shown in his last start and some others what he can do.  With all the recent reminiscing about the Kazmir trade, it does seem scary to trade away any of these young pitchers, not knowing which one will come back to really bite us and I wonder also if that's what Alderson is tripping on.  Then again, we've had players that we could have sold high on (see Ike Davis, for example) get sold for a lot less down the line - and you can only have 5 or 6 starting pitchers in a rotation at a time.  The safe move, unless totally blown away, is to keep Wheeler.  It does seem probably, at worst, he will remain what he has been, but he definitely hasn't reached what could be his ceiling.  Hopefully, he doesn't end up being like Pelfrey, where he ends up being fairly alright for a while, but then a disappointment and we get nothing back for him.