Trumbo-to-Arizona chatter, and the 3-way, Mets-Rays rumor

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The big storylines tonight at the Winter Meetings seems to be about 1B Mark Trumbo, as well as Arizona’s significant interest in free-agent OF Shin-Soo Choo (Rosenthal).

In regards to Trumbo, the Angels have lowered their asking price for him, up to 12 teams are interested (Heyman) and the offers are starting to improve (Rosenthal). The Mets had limited interest in Trumbo last summer, from what I recall. However, they never viewed him as the ideal player to bat cleanup behind David Wright. That said, his 30 home runs would look terrific behind Curtis Granderson, who will now likely bat behind Wright. I have not heard any connection between the Angels and Mets since last July, when I heard the Angels were only interested in Jon Niese.

Mark TrumboThe Royals are a possibility for Trumbo (Stark). However, Arizona, who is said to be after Choo, could also make a strong run since the Angels continue to pursue starting pitching (Rosenthal) and the D-Backs have a surplus of pitching prospects.

However, the buzz in Orlando all day has been that Arizona is hot for a big-time, front-of-the-rotation starting pitcher, who is under contract and has big-league experience… which sounds a lot like Rays LHP David Price. It’s also worth noting that Tampa is looking for a first baseman, and has reportedly shown interest in Ike Davis.

On that note, I keep having MLB people ask if I’ve heard anything about the Mets and Rays working on a three-way deal that would send Price to a place other than Queens. The thing is – and this is important – the only place I’ve heard these rumors are from the multiple people asking me if I’ve heard these rumors. So, I don’t really put any stock in to them. Nevertheless, it keeps coming up. And, this Trumbo-to-Arizona rumor got me thinking and brainstorming…

The Rays are reportedly looking to acquire a young, controllable catcher and first baseman, as well more pitching prospects, in any deal for Price. They are also seeking a left-handed hitting first baseman, and they’ve been linked in rumors to Davis. In addition, I’ve had people approach me trying to connect the D-Backs, Mariners, Rangers, Dodgers and Blue Jays to the Mets and Rays, featuring all sorts of clever combinations.

Players I’ve heared mentioned are Davis, Price, Mitch Moreland, Travis d’Arnaud, Nick Franklin, Andre Ethier, Jose Bautista, Matt Joyce, Patrick Corbin and other players that probably have zero chance of being traded this winter. It’s fun to think about, and pretend, but I have heard nothing substantive… just deep, deep speculation.

Again, just having fun here… a little end-of-day, late-night mock GM’ing; and, this Trumbo rumor made for some fun food-for-thought. That said, Tampa’s interest in Davis is real, and Arizona’s interest in Price is real, so it’s probably all worth keeping an eye on as the week progresses…

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rdg515
rdg515

The bullpen could use a veteran closer type to go with Parnell, VBlack, Familia, Rice, Leathersich and the loser in the #5 starting role contest...a solid lefty reliever would be a good choice...any suggestions? If the team roster I just described in these two posts have average seasons of performance this Mets team could win 90+ games and make the playoffs. Many questionmarks but if most of the players have average healthy seasons there is no reason for the Mets not to contend in 2014. This team would resemble the 1985 roster with a mix of young rising stars, a few good veterans and solid platoons at three field positions (LF, 2B and 1B now vs CF, 2B and 3B in 1985). The 1985 Mets won 97 games with Mookie, Dykstra, HoJo, Knight, Backman and Teufel platooning and the World Series in 1986. Let's see history repeat itself.

rdg515
rdg515

Eight options for the number five starting spot....Mejia and CTorres from the "limited role but promising 2013" club, Santana, Harang and Matsuzaka from the "risky, aging veteran club", and Montero, deGrom and by July Syndergaard.....members of the "potential stars club of 2014-2020" club. No need to invest much more in the pitching department. Let's take the savings and use it to sign Drew for two years at $10 million per with a third year option or $2 million buyout option in case their top shortstop prospect is ready sooner. And keep the four questionmarks at first and second base....Murphy, WFlores, Davis and Duda to fight it out in the spring and early summer for playing time. A lineup of EYoung, Drew, Wright, Granderson, CYoung, Davis or Duda, D'Arnaud and Murphy or WFlores has potential. Keep Tejada, Lagares, and the lefty catcher on the bench and that's your 13 man roster. Colon, Wheeler, Niese, Gee and Mejia with CTorres competing for the #5

willy
willy

Im with Rob O'Rourke

Montero/Murphy/Duda for Trumbo/Kendrick...


+ Ike in another trade for Matt Joice

+ get some pitching somehow.. lets go...

Philip Kossoy
Philip Kossoy

Philip Kossoy here...Trumbo intrigues me.  He's good for a .260 .300 .475 line.  Not crazy about that middle # but beggars can't be choosers!  I bet we trade Ike and he puts up a .270 .350 .475 line.  Mark my words!  I say for 2.9 Million keep him around one more year just in case he does break out! 

Michael Scimeca
Michael Scimeca

Summary of Article - MLB, "people," ask if Matt heard this rumor. He says no. Matt puts, "no stock," in rumor. Regardless, Matt feels compelled to write an article about the trade rumor he put no stock in. Groundbreaking sports reporting guys.

Phil Richiuso
Phil Richiuso

This is the dumbest article I ever wasted my time reading.

Rob O'Rourke
Rob O'Rourke

Montero/Murphy/Duda for Trumbo/Kendrick....two proven guys for an unproven Minor league P.. Duda who is a border line Major leaguer and Murphy who is below avg in field where he play for Mets.. I like it .. 

gothamsane
gothamsane

12 teams interested in Trumbo; D-Backs a match?

by Mike Axisa | Baseball Writer

December 10, 2013 1:50 AM ET

Mark Trumbo is a popular man on the trade market.

MORE: FA tracker: position players | FA tracker: pitchers | Winter Meetings updates

Twelve teams have interest in trading for Angels slugger Mark Trumbo, reports Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. The Diamondbacks are said to be a "potential match."

The Halos are known to be seeking starting pitching, but Heyman says the D-Backs will not trade lefties Patrick Corbin and Wade Miley or righty prospect Archie Bradley. Southpaw Tyler Skaggs could be a fit, but Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times reports the Angels won't take him for Trumbo, at least not straight up. Anaheim drafted Skaggs back in 2009 and sent him to D-Backs in the Dan Haren trade.

Arizona doesn't appear to be a great fit for Trumbo. His power is very real -- he is one of only four players to hit at least 28 home runs in each of the last three seasons -- but with Paul Goldschmidt entrenched at first base, Trumbo would have to play the outfield, where he rates as a below-average defender. Maybe the D-Backs are willing to trade poor defense for his hard-to-find power.

The Angels have limiting payroll space and few trade chips to use this winter, especially after using Peter Bourjos to acquire David Freese from the Cardinals. Howie Kendrick is also said to be on the block, but replacing him at second base will be much more difficult than replacing Trumbo at first and DH. They've got one chance to trade Trumbo and need to capitalize.

Trumbo, 27, hit .234/.294/.453 (109 OPS+) with 34 home runs in 2013. He's hit 95 homers over the last three seasons and power is pretty much his only redeeming quality. Trumbo doesn't hit for much average or get on base, plus isn't anything special in the field. Luckily for him, power is the one tool you want to have if you're a one-tool guy.

hojo20
hojo20

I think the Angels, Diamondbacks, and Mets make a great partner. The Mets get SS Chris Owings, The Angels get Jon Niese, and the Diamondbacks get Trumbo

sylow59
sylow59

Why did I waste my time reading this?

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so basically regarding the trade rumor: matt was having fun playing GM - without really proposing a specific deal - based on a rumor that can only be sourced to the people inquiring about said rumor to matt in the the first place, called "MLB people". 


oddmanrush
oddmanrush

Trumbo doesn't get on base and the Mets won't seriously look at someone with a less than .300 career OBP. If I wanted someone to hit 30+ HR and get on base, I'd go get Adam Dunn for half the trade cost.

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i can't believe i read that. i was waiting for it and it never happened. 

Anthony Testa
Anthony Testa

Between mets blog posts an alderson I think a translator is in order

Marcus Jensen
Marcus Jensen

Price to the Mariners. Davis, Walker, etc. to the Rays. Nick Franklin to the Mets, with Franklin presumably to be the SS.

denelor
denelor

The three three-way trade frameworks that make sense to me are NYM, TB and either Dbacks, Dodgers or Mariners.  All three teams would love Price and both teams have pieces the Mets would like and the Mets have complimentary pieces that could go to any of those teams.    

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

this is making me dizzy . do not ever do that again Matt.

Derpy
Derpy

I don't see how the trade would make sense.  What pieces are going where?  

Kathy Pottinger
Kathy Pottinger

@hojo20 The Mets would trade minor league pitchers but there is no way they will trade a lefty starting pitcher that the have control over for two more years unless the deal was outrageously to their advantage.

hojo20
hojo20

@Marcus Jensen What about SS Chris Owings to the Mets, Niese to Angels, and Trumbo to Diamondbacks

Anthony Testa
Anthony Testa

I would think more prospect going to Tampa as well

Andrew Vazzano
Andrew Vazzano

@bcleveland They're separated into player-specific (if Mets related) or position-specific (if non-Mets related). This is not a rumors post, though... more of an opinion and glimpse into what is happening behind scenes. Hope that helps!

AJRodriguezMD
AJRodriguezMD

@Derpy  Exactly. I read that rumored cluster of a three-way deal several times and still can't figure which of those names the Mets  would get . What the hell. Only a 'mock GM ' exercise. 


Ron Davis
Ron Davis

look i understand why worrying about Ks but if a guy hits you have to take some negatives too. K's are more common now then ever. we over worry about the ks . rather k then double plays!

Marcus Jensen
Marcus Jensen

@denelor @Marcus Jensen Not sure if Franklin can play SS well though. He does have significant experience at the position. He also has the BB% Sandy drools over. So it's a fit assuming he's able to play SS.

Ken Ronk
Ken Ronk

@waz0787 I hope you're in 2nd grade. What is our country coming to? :-)


dumdeeduda
dumdeeduda

Might want to edit that comment.

Derpy
Derpy

@waz0787

You have no punctuation of any kind.  None.  Not even poorly used punctuation, just none.

Derpy
Derpy

@Ron Davis

Hah, now that is what I call optimism.  150 ks is better than 150 double plays.  Right on.

dumdeeduda
dumdeeduda

Nope. Not getting 100 HRs out of that group. Not in Citi.

Matthew Balasis
Matthew Balasis

@Andrew Vazzano  You never begin a sentence with "however" when it is acting as a conjunctive adverb, which it is if there is a comma after it. You can only begin a sentence with "however" without a comma when it is acting as a modifier, when you mean to say "In whatever manner," as in "However you decide to ... " Matt would be better off simply getting to the content instead of using connecting phrases such as "that being said," and "nevertheless," and "however." Instead of "However, the buzz in Orlando ... " he could just say, "The buzz in Orlando."  

Erin II
Erin II

This. My personal favorite is when he says, "In other words", as if he knows damn well no one will comprehend the gibberish that he typed out on his first attempt. You would really think after doing this for so long, he would be able to pick up on a few simple things like you mentioned.

nickdrake
nickdrake

From what I can gather, this is a horribly written article. (me) However, as it may seem, nothing Cerrone says should be taken with weight as it is plain jibberjabber. On that note, Mark-Trumbo-kind-of-reminds-me-of-a-right-handed-Lucas-Duda. Again, also, more additionally, you have to wonder how and why Cerrone is the patriarch of Mets' related news. But, at the end of the day, I'm still just a 22 year-old loser who waxes poetic about his favorite writer, Matt "Bukowski" Cerrone.

Derpy
Derpy

@Andrew Vazzano

I think the issue people are having are the times multiple, often times complex, sentences are used where one properly phrased sentence could be used instead.  This adds unnecessary complexity which is ultimately confusing.


For example:  "On that note, I keep having MLB people ask if I’ve heard anything about the Mets and Rays working on a three-way deal that would send Price to a place other than Queens. The thing is, and this is important, the only place I’ve heard these rumors are from the multiple people asking me if I’ve heard these rumors. So, I don’t really put any stock in to them. Nevertheless, it keeps coming up. "


Could be simplified to:  "Multiple people have asked me about a three way deal involving the Mets and the Rays' David Price.   These rumors do not seem to be based in any actions or statements made by a front office, and are rather speculative."

coloradomf
coloradomf

@Andrew Vazzano @waz0787 Andrew, it makes sense the second time around. It probably made sense the first time, it was just a lot to digest.

Derpy
Derpy

@waz0787

Please refer to me as Sir Derpy.

denelor
denelor

@TurkWendell4Life @bcleveland Don't forget that they're switching into the division with the most hitter friendly park of them all in CBP.  2 of the top 10 home run parks are in the NL East. It's not the bandbox circuit that is the AL East, true, but it's hitter friendly. 

Rob O'Rourke
Rob O'Rourke

@dumdeeduda young wont finish he season in the majors.. he is awful ..10HRs this seasons if luck y 

dumdeeduda
dumdeeduda

Young hit 13 HRs. Granderson had 40 in 2012, but his power is directly to the deepest part of Citi. He won't hit 40 in Citi. Let's say 35. I'll even give you 30 from Trumbo. What i won't give you is 35 from Young.

fedupfan13
fedupfan13

Get out of here...that's a fact?

dumdeeduda
dumdeeduda

We might not "know", but it is really, really unlikely.

denelor
denelor

@dumdeeduda Citifield was a net positive on home runs accord to home run park factor last year.  It ranked #10 right behind Yankee Stadium at #9 and right in front of Wrigley at #11.