Tom Glavine wishes Mets fans would get past Game 162 of 2007

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Tom Glavine knows Mets fans are still angry about his final game in 2007, but he wishes they could get over it.

“Look, I’ve still got people hating on me on Twitter and everywhere else over that game,” Glavine said, who was elected to the Hall of Fame earlier this week (New York Post, Jan. 10). “Like I’ve said to people, for what was otherwise a lot of fun for five years, that was not the way I wanted things to end here. It certainly is not something that I’m proud of or certainly not the way I wanted to end my time here as a Met.”

Glavine went 61-56 with a 3.97 ERA in five seasons with the Mets. However, in a game that could have forced a one-game playoff to end the 2007 season, he gave up seven runs against the Marlins in the season’s final game. The Mets went on to lose and complete an epic collapse that started in early September.

“I wish that people could get past that a little bit and look at some of the other good things that I did, but I understand that there’s still some anger from some people out there,” Glavine said (New York Post, Jan. 10).

I respect Glavine. He was an outstanding pitcher. Interestingly, he was one of my favorite pitchers to watch work and he totally deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I hear what he’s saying about critical Mets fans who should not be as mean as some are to him on social media. However, as I wrote on Wednesday, despite his accomplishments, I totally understand why some fans can’t shake that final performance. I’m not proud of this myself. I wish I was better than that, but when I see him I only think of the Marlins running across home plate and dancing in front of the dugout all afternoon. It is what it is… I’m not over it. What can I say?


To see Glavine’s talk on SNY’s Daily News Live, talking about his time with the Mets, watch this:




139 comments
@Brother Blaque
@Brother Blaque

I agree.....Tom Glavine should have never been a Met. I never liked him as a Met. I "Hate" the Braves and I "hated" Tom Glavine as a brave and a Met. Seeing this guy who killed us throughout the years in a Mets uniform was like blasphemy. 

Glavine came here strictly for the  money and Mets fans have every right to bring up that Marlins game..I had just left church and was cursing like a sailor when I saw the score in the 1st inning. 

The Glavine signing was just another case of that sick sex addict Steve Phillips playing fantasy baseball as the Mets GM. 

Hey Steve... are you cured of your umm....addiction? 

Termini
Termini

Glavine was a professional, and brought class to the organization.  But he could never beat the Braves when he played for the Mets, and on that fateful day in '07, his reaction afterwards (someone said "Just another day at the office" - exactly) was worse than the game itself.  Sad, but true.  Wish him well though.

justbro
justbro

It wasn't the loss that irritates Mets fans.   Sometimes even the best just don't have it.   His comments afterward about not being devastated by the loss are what makes it hard to get past this.  The Mets had just completed a monumental late season collapse and this guy just didn't show any emotion about it.   Just another day at the office.

Greg Baker
Greg Baker

I am disappointed that is the way Glavine is remembered as a met. But not devastated.

Just kidding. Always a brave. Could not care less about him.

Kyle Decker
Kyle Decker

I don't just remember that last game, but it's still there.  I remember him winning 300 in Chicago and being an overall good presence on the Mets.  I remember in 2006, he had an injury (hand?) that could have been really serious and I was worried we'd lose him for the season and it turned out to be nothing.  


However, the Mets don't sniff the playoffs often, so it's those big moments we remember the most.  It's those moments like 162 against the Marlins or Beltran's out looking (though I have plenty of good memories of him too) that stick with many fans because those were the only real playoff situations in the last 13 years.

Warren Worthington III
Warren Worthington III

I wish Tom Glavine was never a Met. What was his ERA vs. the Braves? 6 or 7 something? I'll get over game 162 of 2007 when Glavine gets out of the first inning.

Eli Battistoni
Eli Battistoni

Nothing but respect and admiration.  A true pro, a guy who you could count on to make his 30 starts and 200 innings.  I was there... I was crushed.  I don't blame him.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

Strange how Matt can criticize Glavine for what he did over the course six innings yet totally ignore what the Wilpons have done over the last six years

Watson5665
Watson5665

The "honestly immature" posts are getting a bit much this week. The loss was painful and I was incredibly disappointed. I particularly felt bad FOR Glavine. Anything resembling anger AT Glavine suggests a feeling that he somehow secretly did it on purpose because he's a former Brave, and you are doing him a favor by tolerating his presence in the first place. Simply juvenile. He was a terrific pitcher for the Mets - they wouldn't have been in contention for the pennant that season in the first place without him. It was a bad game - it happens. Grow up.

bigdirty
bigdirty

He averaged 12 wins a year while with the Mets. He was an anchor of the rotation during the rebuilding process. He had a termendous playoff in 2006. Tom Glavine did a nice job for this organization and was one of the better free agent signings for the Mets. 


I was at game 162 and it was awful but that entire collapse was awful. I dont blame glavine for that collapse as it took every facet of the team to fail to get to that point. It would have been nice to follow up john maine with another fabulous outing but that team shot itself in the foot long before tommy took the mound. 


I dont love Tom Glavine like a Piazza, Pedro or Beltran but I respect him a lot and am happy for him. 


I am getting used to saying this a lot but Mets fans need to get over themselves. Players come and go and there are no loyalties. The only loyalty is of the fan to the team. Thats it.  



Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

He's top 10 all time among Mets pitchers in my mind. Seaver, Doc, Koosman, Darling, El Sid, Santana, Leiter, Harvey, ten you would have to go with Glavine.

1metfan
1metfan

It's bad enough that he lost the game. I remember the post game interview and his whole attitude and demeanor said to me "I do not care" The Mets rolled out the red carpet for him and he defocated on it.

Snake Doctor
Snake Doctor

He's right and I am tired of fans still cursing him off. Maybe if Reyes wasn't awful that entire month. Maybe if Sele and Mota weren't useless the whole year. Maybe if there was actually some quality depth. Maybe if Delgado didn't make a key error against the Phillies. Maybe if Feliciano doesn't give up that bomb to Rowand.


See where I am going? It was an entire team collapse. They were basically a .500 team after the 1st month of the season. There was a lot that went wrong. They all lost.

getalife
getalife

It wasn't just that start, it was the fact that he kinda shrugged it off the next day. 

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

When you're a fan of the New York Mets, there is always a play or two that stick in your mind.  On the good side, there was Agee's two incredible catches backed up by Ron Swoboda in 1969.  However, all the memories of shoe polish, Buckner's legs, or Timo Perez' catch can't wipe away the bad memories.  We all have our favorite (or least favorite).  My personal list of disasters....


1973 - World Series Game Two - Bud Harrelson is allegedly tagged out Ray Fosse at home.  All I can remember was the sight of the great Willie Mays arguing with heart to the Home Plate umpire.  The memory is not so bad since we won that game.  However, the worst was yet to come.


1973 - World Series Game Six - Yogi Berra thinks he is playing the percentages, and pitches Tom Seaver on short rest.  It seemed like a no brainer at the time.  Seaver was....well...Seaver, and George Stone was a "junk ball" pitcher.  Seaver didn't have it, the Mets lost and lost the series the next day.


1988 - National League Championship Series Game Seven - Who the hell is Orel Hershiser, and when will he stop pitching? And what did they do to Ron Darling?


1999 - National League Championship Series Game Six - A depleted bullpen forces Bobby Valentine to use starter Kenny Rodgers (instead of Octavio Dotel) in the bottom of the eleventh, and Rodgers ends up walking in the winning run.


2000 - World Series - Most any moment outside of Game 3 was heart wrenching.


2006 - National League Divisional Series Game 7 - That final Carlos Beltran at bat.


2007 - Game 162?  Eh, I'm over that one already.  Congratulate Glavine, and move on Matt.  Just another chapter in Mets History.

SomeHighSchoolKid
SomeHighSchoolKid

As I said the other day, why is it ok for you to remember glavine for one horrible inning but not ok to remember beltran for one horrible at bat

gloveman
gloveman

It is what it is Tom. Bummer that there were some low points in your stellar career.  If you were a career Met I would probably be able to get past that game, but you are a Brave, and it's that game that I will remember you by. Sorry dude! 

tw22
tw22

The Dude couldn't get out of the first inning in a must win. In my opinion he makes Beltran look like a conquering hero.

mets2891
mets2891

That '07 team was doomed from the start, the Glavine game that kills me was Game 5 of the NLCS.  That team should've gone to the World Series, and everything that has happened afterwards makes that even more painful.

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typical mets. get guys after they have already had  their best years elsewhere, alomar, glavine, vaughn, baerga, santana, granderson, etc.

Derek Mallia
Derek Mallia

I'm over it. The team that year was well in the toilet before Glavine's bad outing. Probably weren't getting out of the first round anyways that year with how they played in September. 

nwmets
nwmets

This wasn't just another game. With a good pitching performance, Tommy had the chance to reverse the slide. He didn't -- and everything that has happened to the Mets since then is arguably a result of this (and the next year's) epic collapse.


If the Mets had won this game and somehow made it into the postseason, much of their reactionary business moves since then might not have been made. So you could argue that the current state of the Mets is Glavine's fault. He sealed the descent into suckitude, and they haven't been able to pull out of it since.


If you disagree with that, maybe you'll agree that Mets fans' trust was eroded in 2007, and we're still trying to get it back. Everything might be different if he could have even JUST GOT OUT OF THE FIRST INNING!

fedupfan13
fedupfan13

Cerrone can't forgive glavine for having one bad game, yet doesn't have any ill will towards the ownership that has been killing the team for years.

yankeehater
yankeehater

Good luck with that. Granted, the entire team had been imploding for 3 weeks before that game, but Tom's no-show performance was the icing on the cake...and what we will most remember.

nwmets
nwmets

All you need to know about Glavine you can learn from Faith and Fear in Flushing dot com. Those guys are my heroes, and if they still hold it against Glavine, then so do I.


They still hate him so much that they won't even spell out his name; they write is as "T#m Gl@v!ne"


Pete Mody
Pete Mody

Of course you want to hear that someone is displeased with his own bad performance. But in the grand scheme, as much as I might get flack for saying it, he is right. He shouldn't be devastated. It's a game. And is much is it was crushing for Mets fans to miss out on that, it is a game. Devastation comes from the life events that cause true remorse and mourning. Devastation should be saved for real tragedy.

dooley
dooley

David Cone, Brett Saberhagen, Frank Viola would not make your list?

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

Oops, did I say Timo Perez...I meant Endy Chavez.  Perez was the guy who didn't know how to run the bases.

tw22
tw22

@mets2891No, that season was doomed when the bullpen couldn't get an out in September when it counted. I don't have any stats to support this, but I would say the Mets had the lead going into the 6th inning in at least 60% of the games played in September of that season. Also if i was Omar, Randolph would have never seen September 15th. He should have made a public scene in the locker room with the press in tow, and fired Willie on the spot, anointed HoJo the interim Manager for the rest of the season. It would have worked and Omar might still have his job.


sean
sean

@7up17togo I don't know, '86 Mets aggravated the living daylights out of the whole league, every team in the National League was, to put it mildly, motivated whenever they played the Mets that year and the Mets more or less stomped all over them, including in the biggest spots all that year.  

mets2891
mets2891

@7up17togo People forget that Joe West was the home plate umpire in that final game, and there was no way that he was giving Glavine that outside strike.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@ton Clendenon, Agee, Hernandez, Carter, Beltran, HoJo, McReynolds, Knight, Olerud, Ojeda, Millan, Piazza, Ventura, Franco.  Mets have had a lot of players come from other teams and do very well for them.

Glorious Gavin
Glorious Gavin

@nwmets You could of trained hard your entire life, and became a hall of fame major league pitcher. Then signed with the mets for league minimum. Then pitched that game. Therefore that game is your fault, along with all of the teams short comings since then.

flushed
flushed

Apples and oranges. What difference does it make who the owner is if you sign a HOF calliber pitcher and they choke whenit matters most...not a middling or even bad game, but a complete bomb. Some of you guys are so obsessed with blaming ownership for everything you forget there is a game being played.

sean
sean

@mets2891 @7up17togo So when that happens you adjust.  Quickly if you have to.  Maybe you give up a couple of hits or even a run or two, but you figure it out.  At least if you're Tom Glavine, 300-game winner, wily veteran, winner of every big game ever...

nwmets
nwmets

@Gavin OK, point taken. It's a stretch to blame the current state of the Mets on Tom Glavine.

fedupfan13
fedupfan13

First glavine was 40 at the time and no longer HOF calliber. Second glavine was trying to win.

nwmets
nwmets

@sylow59 I guess I'm too immature to understand your comment.

nwmets
nwmets

@Mike Lee But you redeemed yourself by calling it a "Matt Cerrone." :-)

flushed
flushed

...in sports fandom, not "forgiving" someone doesn't mean the same thing as it does in the real world. I don't think players should take ribbing from disappointed fans to heart, nor should fans who claim to not be disappointed wag their fingers at those who do. It's all in fun rathering your booing or cheering; those who use these opportunities to take some kind of moral high ground really come off as desperate.