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Today, Collins wants Eric Young Jr. at the top of the lineup

Terry Collins says the Mets have three guys in camp that can play center field, he told reporters Friday in St. Lucie.

Curtis Granderson, Chris Young, Juan Lagares and Eric Young Jr. will all compete for the starting outfield, which will mostly be determined by who hits best in spring training, Sandy Alderson said on WFAN earlier this week.

“As we sit here today, Eric Young is the guy you want to see at the top of the lineup,” Collins said. “We know what happens when he gets on, we score runs.”

In the event Eric Young does not hit leadoff, Collins said last week that Chris Young or Ruben Tejada could end up in the top spot (New York Post, Feb. 10)…

In addition to fielding fly balls in the outfield, Eric Young worked on turning double plays and fielding grounders in the offseason (Daily News, Feb. 11). So, in an effort to get his bat in the lineup, Collins said he can see a scenario where Young could play some second base, while Daniel Murphy gets time at first base or fills in occasionally for David Wright at third.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

In listening to Collins today and his talk with SNY, hearing Sandy on WFAN this week, and putting it all together with how this roster is constructed, the only thing we know is this: Granderson will play every day in left field. Otherwise, I think both Eric and Chris Young and Lagares will rotate in and out and around center field, right and second base, with Murphy getting more days off and a bit of time at corner infield. I just don’t think any spot will be set in stone. They may want to lock in to a lineup, but I just don’t see how it happens, unless they send Lagares to Triple-A, which would be a crime.

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Chris Biehl
Chris Biehl

Not with that obp from last season, .310 is putrid

Pete Spaz
Pete Spaz

btw, good news! Ike solved his swing! lool

Pete Spaz
Pete Spaz

The Mets crack me up. They way they overvalue their mediocre players... Duda and Davis wouldn't make any other team except the Mets. Tejada? him either...he's a third string freakin shortstop. How can the Mets be believed that they want to move up in the standings when they have the same exact infield as last year? ??

NYISLES
NYISLES

EYJ is our best CF leadoff option. 

Lagares needs to play every day in center field.  He could be the next Carlos Gomez if they give him the at bats.

Move Murph to first already and Young to Second if you want EY at the leadoff spot.

Ike and Duda are myths in the Mets world and really needed to be moved once and for all.

cver
cver

It's also a crime to not have enough true talent on the club at this point in time to not have to contemplate playing players out of position, especially a guy like Murph, who has worked hard to both become an excellent hitter and a competent second baseman.  Only the Mets would screw with that to try to find a place for EY Jr., because they "have so much talent in the OF that there's no place for him" and incidentally, are trying to choose between 3 guys who are all sub-.250 hitters as leadoff men.  Then, there is the fact that they let Reyes go and might have a chance to get him back, if they tried - and that Niese might have to revisit his injury and they could dangle him for Reyes and make room for Montero and Mejia.  And yeah - let's screw around with Mejia again and keep him in a horrible place like Vegas and give the job to the "veterans", who will probably flop and by that time, the Mets might very well be 5 games out of first and have to play catchup even further by the time they get to Thor.  Then, they can call it a day and trade away whatever else they have during the trade deadline, really stink it up in the second half, which will lead to the off-season discussions of not having any financial restrictions, but if we want them to spend more, we need to show up at the ballpark in '15.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

I really just threw up in my mouth reading this.

Collins identified the 7th worst hitter in the major leagues last year and wants to give him the most ABs of anyone on the team...just because he is "fast".

He also identified another guy with HORRID OBP skills in Tejada.  You can not make this stuff up.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

this means to me that ey will be in the outfield and Lageres will be 4th outfielder

Keith Allen-Verdi
Keith Allen-Verdi

IF not Tejaja could back leadoff..umm in what universe is this lol

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

Did they change the rules and allowed batters to steal 1B?

Gabe Menna
Gabe Menna

They didn't sign Chris Young to a $7.5 million contract to platoon or ride pine. So if Eric Young Jr is gonna be lead off, Lagaras is out or Murph to first.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

Chris Young will also play everyday as Sandy promised he would when he signed plus his salary on this team demands it. The only question is whether he'll be in CF or RF. Given Terry's apparent love affair with EY I'm thinking Lagares is going into ST behind the 8 ball as TC clearly will be looking for any reason to get EY in the lineup.

sylow59
sylow59

EYj at the top of the lineup?  I guess Terry wants to get the first out over with ASAP.

Al Tamkus
Al Tamkus

I am getting very worried about Terry Collins as manager. I think it is time for big shake up thinking,about this team and it's players. Why  would you sit a gold glove outfielder ,to play Duda out there? Is just one of his stupid moves.

This entire issue can be solved by Chris Young finding his swing again.  If C. Young can figure things out and start hitting at a higher clip, with his +speed, he would fit nicely at the top of the lineup. Allowing EY jr to strive in a bench role ( Assuming Lagares progresses).

Everyone, inlcuding myself, rips the C.Young signing. Judging solely on past Mets experience, we all know that it has the potential to be a terrible addition.

But it's a time for optimism, and If he can play to his potential, then the lineup issues will slowly cease to exist.

wishful thinking

Andrew Ocieczek
Andrew Ocieczek

The problem is does that means chris young starts over legaras

Marc Seldin
Marc Seldin

Bad move, eh? We'll see about that...

Greg Baker
Greg Baker

Good thing is still Feb.


There is no way that this will become a thing. If JL plays the OF at the level he did last year, Collins not putting him in the lineup would cause such an uproar that he will relent. 


At least with EYJr being the new Turner, he is at least a better player then Turner was. 


With EYJr getting some ABs for Juan, CY, Granderson, Murph and any injured OF time... he should be able to get around 350 abs, which is around what he should be at.

Joe Kurioo
Joe Kurioo

O god here we go. this dumb ass is speaking again 

chasesimms
chasesimms

“As we sit here today, Eric Young is the guy you want to see at the top of the lineup,” Collins said. “We know what happens when he gets on, we score runs.”


Because of his high on base percentage Terry?   

sell
sell

That's great, Terry.  However, he won't be in CF, and he won't play over Granderson.  CYoung has been promised 600 ABs.  So, as we can all see, he won't be at the top of the lineup. 

eric88
eric88

Terry loves EY because he reminds him of when he was a young player. Lagares is out with TC because of numbers. This is only one reason TC should not have been brought back. The other, a lousy in game manager. They should have signed Drew instead of C Young

bill metsiac
bill metsiac

EY had an OBP of .342 in '11, and .377 in '12. As a Met in '13, it dropped off to .318. But for his CAREER, when leading off an inning (or a game) it's .363.


Nowhere near the best around, but far from awful. 


But I'm still hoping Lag wins the CF  job in ST.

Michael Steinhardt
Michael Steinhardt

If they are so wanting EYJr. in the lineup batting leadoff, may as well play him at short.  At least that way when everything gets by him up the middle, Legares can throw a few of them out from center field (j/k).  But seriously, we all get leading him off so he can steal bases, but if he's going to cost the team runs in the field, then who cares about the "runs" he may or may not help you get at the top of the order?


May as well leadoff Legares and see what he can do, and play Flores at short and just deal with the minus D at SS.  

Eddie Mac
Eddie Mac

Lets follow Collins to the promise land....NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

ktb1229
ktb1229

Its not a crime to send down a guy who gets on base at a .280 clip. If he hits, he stays. 

sellwilpon
sellwilpon

I don't know what's worse having guys float around to play different position game by game or that EY and Ruben tejada are our best option for lead off hitter.... Pathetic

Darrell Smith
Darrell Smith

EY is a good role player, His OBP is not good enough for a lead off hitter.

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

I'm not a fan of platoons and moving people around, but it did work very well in 1969 and 1986 (remember Kevin Mitchell playing SS one day, and CF the next?) the one thing that the 1969 and 1986 teams had was great pitching. Mets are counting on this staff, even without Harvey, will carry this team.

helloboy
helloboy

Ahhh,  just as I was saying in the Bonafacio post.  


In order to keep Lagares in the lineup and on the field, you need to bring in Bonafacio to lead off and play SS.  Is he great at SS?  No.  However, adding him and keeping Lagares will save you more runs and score more runs than keeping Tejada and starting EY as Lagares goes to Vegas.

n1ck13
n1ck13

@BringBackDaveTelghe  I agree completely.  Actually if Collins wanted to maximize the Mets lineup, his leadoff hitter should be C. Young.  He is a plus baserunner, with pop, and good OBP skills.  I am not saying this is good option, simply the best the Mets currently have.

cver
cver

It means that Colin Cowgill is his starting center fielder and Mike Baxter is a ballplayer.  Collins is a crackpot and whoever it was that decided to re-sign him is way worse.

helloboy
helloboy

 I like Chris Young.  He has a track record and it shows he is not really a .200 hitter.  It was hist worst year, not his average year.  I fully expect he will hit .245-.255 with 23 HR and 34 Doubles and 8 triples.  I would not want him leading off though as his average will still be limited and he will be of more use as a run producer than a table setter.  


I would be shocked if he did worse than .240 this year.  I would be even more shocked if he hit less than 20 HR and 30 doubles.  i think his average is less predictable than his power... he will have extra base hit power.

Tom Gallagher
Tom Gallagher

@chasesimms "when he gets on" would indicate he means after he gets on base. He does very well once he is there, the problem is getting him there.

sell
sell

@chasesimms  Terry thinks SBs are indicative of a good offensive player.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@bill metsiac His career OBP is .325, his career wOBA is .299, both hideous.

Please don't spout off the "when leading off an inning thing".  It's just trying to cut down a sample size and if you get results you like, you say them..

Tom Gallagher
Tom Gallagher

@bill metsiac And throughout his minor league career his OBP was excellent. To risk sounding like a broken record (I chime in with this pretty much every time an EYJ post comes up here) the ability to get on base is there, we just need to figure out where it went (or goes when he isn't leading off).

Ravi Kirtane
Ravi Kirtane

@ktb1229 It IS a crime when the guy


A) has a a slightly better OPS+ than the guy who is displacing him;

B)generates enough value out of his glove to be a 3 WAR player (2.9fWar), which was 2 wins more than what EYJ was worth.   Those 2 additional wins by the way, is what Drew is projected to be worth.

11gilkey
11gilkey

@Kevin VanTassell  I'm not either but sometimes it's a necessity when you don't have the horses to play everyday against both RHP and LHP in order to get the best lineup out there.  It's becoming a lot more common these days as runs are harder to come by with MLB clamping down on PEDs and all the good young pitching.  

mets2014
mets2014

@PL Worthington III good catalyst that can play all 3 OF positions as well as his natural position 2B...excellent base stealer and very low salary

11gilkey
11gilkey

@helloboy  Great idea.  Lets bring in a guy who can't hit or play SS.  

mets2014
mets2014

@helloboy the thing is...bonafacio is not a SS...he is an almost identical player to e young...if they are going to add offense, it should be a power bat...makes no sense to add bonafacio

helloboy
helloboy

@11gilkey @helloboy  Bonafacio is a fair hitter.  His career BA is above the league average.  His career OBP is .322.  I think you need a new definition for "can't Hit" applying it here does not work.

helloboy
helloboy

@11gilkey @helloboy  Bonafacio is a fair hitter.  His career BA is above the league average.  His career OBP is .322.  I think you need a new definition for "can't Hit" applying it here does not work.

helloboy
helloboy

@mets2014 @helloboy  I agree to a point.  Bonafacio is a better version of Young, offensively.  He can also play more positions than EY, if it comes down to that. 


Bonafacio is a career .262 hitter (and hits above .250 against LH and RH, which is ok).  He has a .322 OBP and that is with a large sample size of games. EY never played 100 games in his career until last year.  Bonafacio also boasts much better WAR numbers.  


Plus, Adding a power bat is not happening since the Mets are not signing contracts more than 3 or 4M at most.  I am talking about realism.  The realism is the only way to keep Lagares out there is to bring in Bonafacio.


Nobody has said anything to refute this reality.  Comments about him not hitting or fielding are not valid since he is a plus WAR player and his average and OBP are both better than the average MLB player.

helloboy
helloboy

@mets2014 @helloboy  I agree entirely on this.  Definitely not a long term solution,  I do not know what solution that will be until the mets get real and ready to make a trade for a major league player in return for some of this pitching.   

mets2014
mets2014

@helloboy @mets2014 my point is that he still doesn't resolve the SS problem...perhaps he is better than e young, but they are similar "type"players