Sandy Alderson

The payroll is not an excuse, says Alderson

Hitting coach Dave Hudgens, who was fired by the Mets on Monday, said GM Sandy Alderson could do better with the Mets if he was allowed to spend more money on payroll.

“If they want a winner in that town, I’d let the purse strings loose and let Sandy do what he wants to do,” Hudgens told ESPN 98.7 FM. “I don’t know what goes on in the front office, or whose hands are tied or whatever, but I think if Sandy could do everything he wanted to do they would have a winner here.”

Alderson followed Hudgens on the same radio station and said, “Hudgens doesn’t sit in my office.”

“That’s a perception that a lot of people have and I don’t think it’s a fair one,” Alderson said, in regards to people who suggest ownership somehow limits his ability to improve the team.

According to Alderson, his team’s payroll is $85 million this year, as well as last year.

“Look, our payroll is not the highest in baseball, I get that,” he said. However, he added, “What we expect out of ourselves is less than what we’ve gotten. The payroll is not an excuse. … We sign players for a reason and we have expectations of what they can do and it doesn’t always work out.”

In regards to whether his payroll will go up, he said, “I do believe it will go up if we’re able to generate the kind of revenue that will support that, and that’s why we have to win.”

He said he doesn’t necessarily believe in the idea that a team must spend money to make money.

“It probably raises the probabilities somewhat, but it doesn’t ensure anything,” he said.




150 comments

Explain how a team playing in NYC has a lower payroll than the team that plays in San Diego. The Mets have their own network and the Padres BARELY have their own fans. I live in San Diego. FIVE dollars gets you into the stadium most days. I can park for free if I walk 5 minutes and they let me bring my own food and water in. THEY have a higher payroll than the Mets. There's just no way you can explain that without telling me that the owners can't afford to own this team. I like Alderson but he seems to be caught in a time warp as far as payroll is concerned. I agree with him that you HAVE to build your team through your farm system but they had glaring holes that needed to be filled at SS, 1B and backup catcher. 

rben
rben

How do you think Cerrone decides what posts to add his commentary to?  Seems like most payroll issues are considered third rail by him and he won't give his opinion.  

kph16
kph16

Next the Wilpons will send him on talk radio with a plan....."If you aren't willing to come to a game, meet us in the middle....If everyone would just send in $2-$3 dollars, the Wilpons have assured me that I can invest that into a player or 2, and if that works well, then maybe everyone can send in another few bucks and I can replace Duda etc.......break open your piggy banks kids, we're close to being a winner"


Please, enough of this nonsense already Sandy; you look(and sound) foolish.

Ron W. Davis
Ron W. Davis

Lets see how fast you find a major league job Dave. You flap your gums. I understand your bitter but you went way past where you should of.  Since your first season your teams went lower and lower in stats. Don't blame Keith or the front office your job is to make who ever is under you better and stats prove you could not do it. So shut up. We the fans can critize whomever. But your weak you go after Hernandez their job is to report to us . If you find they are wrong take it up in private with them. Throwing them under the bus for your failures is wrong.  Grow a set.
 I would take what Keith said about hitting faster then you. He was a Co MVP always a great hitter with a excellent eye. he can talk hitting. 

Eric Schill
Eric Schill

So your saying sandy im order to have a better payroll u need to generate revenue, which comes from fans spending money on merchandise and tickets. One small problem you have to put a winning product for fans to want to spend money on a horrible team. Different year, same shitty mets. WILPONS sell the team already! And maybe next time be a little smarter with your money! Dont make the fans suffer for your own stupidity

wingo43
wingo43

Sandy and the Wilpons are really making it tough to be a Mets fan. For Sandy to say what he said was insulting. So we fans need to spend money first BEFORE the team is expected to be able to afford FAs?

Didn't he previously tell us that the FO had the money but that this just wasn't a good FA crop?

Well, which is it?

Jim McEnroe
Jim McEnroe

I don't believe for one minute that payroll isn't a major consideration on the acquiring of talent for the Mets.. Money is the only thing these owners think about. They couldn't care less about winning. They would just like to make fools out of the fans.

flfan
flfan

Sandy is here to stay regardless of performance. He knows too much about the Mets’ financial situation at this point and what has gone on in the front office over the last few years. If he were to be fired and talk about it to save face the Wilpons risk being forced out.

On an unrelated note, Sandy wants Mets fans to spend first so the Wilpons can deliver a quality product in the future. Does he really believe that fans should put economics aside and put their trust and faith in ownership? Has he forgotten that this is the same ownership group that knocked down a larger stadium to build a smaller stadium in an effort to make the tickets scarcer and drive up the price? Ownership was not afraid to pursue their own economic interests to drive ticket prices up and reduce the number of fans who could attend the most popular games. Now they question our loyalty?

90wins
90wins

Wait a minute, all teams received extra revenue from MLB this year (new TV deal) and yet the Mets have the same payroll as last year. Where did that extra money go to? Donation to WOR710 to get Hannity and Lumbar?

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

"I do believe it will go up if we’re able to generate the kind of revenue that will support that, and that’s why we have to win.”

Amazing that hes still peddling this BS ideal.  We fans should show up to watch....THIS, and THEN the Mets'll spend money on the team.  Sandy, circumlocution is still just talking shyte....

90wins
90wins

Did Sandy just say that revenue has to go up before payroll starts expanding? I thought the Wilpons have been denying that for years. Looks like Sandy will be the next person to go when the Mets lose the next game.

simbad
simbad

Man, hand it to Dave Hudgens for saying something true on the way out. Sandy - give up the act. Everyone knows who the culprits are here.

Frank Accardi
Frank Accardi

things won't change till the owners are gone

Chapter 7
Chapter 7

Nothing but pure bullish!t coming out of this guys mouth. He's not even making sense at this point.

GeeKay
GeeKay

Let's start at the top. The Mets are in their 53rd season and have made the postseason just seven times, only once two years in a row, and are all but certain not to make the post-season this year. The present owners cannot be held accountable for the failures of the past, but are certainly responsible for the failures of the present. They have continually failed to hire the right people and go after the right players; I give you two words to underscore this: Omar Minaya. The current ownership owns a team in the biggest market in the country, but spends like a small market team; that's a failure to care.

Sandy Alderson should look inward, rather than make scapegoats of those around him; changing the hitting coach will not improve anything if the team doesn't have players who can hit, and, with all due respect to Bobby Abreu, a 40-year-old who hasn't played in the major leagues in two years shouldn't be your best hitter. Alderson has done nothing to help this team, unless promises year-after-year that next year will be better, we're building for the future (that never seems to come) means he's helping the team. Signing a nearly 41-year-old pitcher to a two-year contract; talking all off-season about trading Ike Davis, then signing him to a contract, then letting the rumors about his being traded linger, then trading him for nothing; not pursuing a first baseman through trade or free agency and allowing the fair-fielding, but poor-hitting Lucas Duda inherit the job; making it clear that Ruben Tejada is not the answer at shortstop, but not signing a clearly superior Stephen Drew (and who cares about losing a draft choice that may or may not produce when the team could have had a player who could produce now?); and the list goes on and on, will not produce a winning team


Suffice to say that even the TV and radio announcers have criticized decisions made by Terry Collins. Just one of many in my mind: why is Eric Campbell spot-starting and pinch-hitting when it appears that he can hit and he's shown that he is an able fielder, yet there are constant complaints about a lack of offense. Give Campbell a position (i.e., first base) and let's see if he can be an everyday player. And let's not hear about lefty vs. righty or righty vs. lefty match-ups for a young player. How will you ever know if a young player can hit against pitchers from both sides unless you give him a chance to play against both and don't bench him if he goes 0 for 4 in a game; let him play every day until he proves he can't after a fair chance. History has shown that some players have thrived against pitchers from both sides.


If Alderson has provided Collins with the players to win, then Collins should be fired, since he has not won. If Alderson has not provided Collins with the players to win, well, then the answer is obvious.


The franchise needs a thorough house cleaning. While it may not be possible for Major League Baseball to force the Wilpons to sell the team to an ownership that would show the competence and caring to field a competitive team, the entire management team, from Alderson to the coaching staff, should be fired and replaced. Otherwise, I hope the Wilpons are satisfied by the growing number of fans posing as empty seats and the Yankees being the New York baseball team that sells its merchandise nationally.

Ninety wins, indeed! Only need to go 68-34 the rest of the season!

qualcomm
qualcomm

I also love how Collins is doing great and the reason the team is bad is that career bench players aren't playing like All Stars for whatever arbitrary reason.

The buck gets passed to poor Chris Young; let's all blame him. 

What was he going to say to all that money, no?!  I'm sure he's trying, but he isn't a flipping four hitter.

qualcomm
qualcomm

“I do believe it will go up if we’re able to generate the kind of revenue that will support that, and that’s why we have to win.”

Translation: There is no hope outside of all these fringe hitters having career years all at the exact same time.  Wonderful.

qualcomm
qualcomm

"our payroll is not the highest in baseball, I get that". 

lol so he's saying this is by choice?  How can he say this stuff with a straight face?

qualcomm
qualcomm

"The payroll is not an excuse. … We sign players for a reason and we have expectations of what they can do and it doesn’t always work out.”

Hey Sandy, can you give me 9 million dollars and hit me fourth so i can be a cleanup hitter?  I probably won't make any contact, but can you expect me to? 

Really... get help Sandy.

Ian Cohen
Ian Cohen

I guess "you get what you pay for" doesn't hold true for the Mets.

mustang66
mustang66

he's definitely right. I was able to live the same way making 40000 as I can at 120,000. No difference at all

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

"Does adding payroll raise the probability of winning? Yes, but it doesnt guarantee anything." -Alderson


Translation : Adding payroll would give us a better chance to win, we just chose not to do it. 


Why watch? 

Frank Kajtazi
Frank Kajtazi

I agree,the biggest problem is this passive hitting approach at the plate!

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

He's got it twisted & someone should point that out to him. Fans don't go out to the ballpark in droves to support a crappy, AAA team masked in pro uniforms so the owners can spend more money. Fans will turn out when the team spends money on putting a winning product on the field. In baseball you need to spend money to make money. So long as this team keeps winning 75-79 games each season, people aren't going to show up, plain & simple. Additionally, if things keep going the way they are, the Mets will alienate an entire generation of fans, just as you mentioned earlier. I am a diehard fan who will show up my 10-15 times each year, regardless. However, I will admit that if they were winning & having meaningful games past July that 10-15 would turn into 20-25.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

If you over pay stars and give them contracts you can move, at least you gave fans stars to come out and see.I think they did that with Granderson, but it hasnt really worked, easier said then done I understand.


However if they sign stars and doesnt work, ya gotta try to move them if it's not gonna turn around because fans want a new story over than the story of  struggling stars they get hounded by non mets fans about. Easier said than done though again, I understand.

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

Really, "our payroll is not the highest in baseball"?  You mean it's #22 out of 30 teams--in the BIGGEST market in the nation!


Money isn't everything but something is TERRIBLY wrong when a New York team is consistently outspent by the likes of San Diego, Kansas City, and Milwaukee.

fixthemets
fixthemets

If the payroll isn't an excuse, you should be fired last year.

Marc Singleton
Marc Singleton

It sounds as though Alderson is suggesting once again that they can't spend until people go to the games.

Marc Singleton
Marc Singleton

That's nice of Hudgens to try to defend his boy, but the fact remains that Alderson has options when putting together the major league roster, and the majority of his decisions do not work . Between this and his continued praise if Collins , I've lost all confidence in Aldersons GM abilities .

rf04
rf04

You are sitting on a cash cow, you big dumb idiots! Good companies figure out what the customer wants and GIVES IT TO THEM. You dummies decide you have the best product (which you measurably don't) and then refuse to change your product or selling price when nobody is buying. Do something different. Don't expect the market to change around you.

NEW YORKERS LOVE BASEBALL... figure out a way to give it to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This should be easy.

@barbarossa - yeah, if ONLY they could get into a bigger market!

simbad
simbad

@barbarossa It's like they're blaming the fans, again. Or not "like" - they actually are.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

@flfan I'm sure he has a confidentiality clause in his contract. That's why Phillips, Duquette or any other GM from any other team every said a word about a team's finances. Sandy says anything he will be sued by the Wilpons

qualcomm
qualcomm

@GeeKay Outstanding statement, but I do want to add that emptying the bucket might be an irrelevant action if winning is the goal. The one and only issue this team has is ownership... it's ALWAYS been ownership, even before these owners.  

Since the Wilpons got 50% of the club after the 1987 season, 27 seasons (including this one), they've been under .500 15 seasons. From the first full season of having total controlling interest (2003 - 12 seasons including this one)  They've been below 500 in eight of twelve and produced one playoff appearance in twelve years.

In the 27 years they've had half control they have four playoff appearances and it would have been two had Doubleday not forced them to get Piazza.

They've won over 84 games only twice as sole owners.

They are the Piscasso of lost seasons:
25 Met teams have ended the year more than 20 games out of first... 12 of them have seen the Wilpon own at least half the team and 6 of their 12 years at sole owners...  50% of the time, they've made that list.  This INCLUDES the teams from the 60's.

We've never had an owner with a lick of judgment. We started with an old lady who allowed M Donald Grant and his band of incompetents to ruin her operation after the pitching came while the Herzogs of the world were sent away.

Then her crazy daughters slept through the start of free agency. 

Finally the book publisher had good ideas, but loses interest fast and somehow hands half the team to someone like Fred who constantly gets in the way of the operation and within two years the team is a version of what we see today.

Then, knowing it would curse the franchise, he hands the whole team to the Wilpons. 

They in turn have no idea what they're doing and outside of real estate, they have no understanding of who fits what job and why.  That goes for any and every aspect of the team.

if Fred is that stubborn, just give the team to Jeff right now. At least he'll spend money. That's why even Jeff isn't in charge.






mustang66
mustang66

kevin, I am sure you enjoy the games

but if you went 0 games like I've decided to do this year, the message will really hit home if everyone went along. I do go a few times a year but only from StubHub ticket

Dave Kaye
Dave Kaye

Sadly I,actually think that's more than possible. I'm not one to just trash the team. But I'm not a blind fan that going into each year think we have a shot. I'm a baseball fan and I call it as I see it. There's a Mets Facebook page with some of the most blinded fans who claim if you give up on a team in March you aren't a real fan or my favorite you're a bandwagon fan, which makes me laugh. How many jump on the bandwagon for a sub .500 team?

To contend this year WAY too much has to go right from players bouncing back to younger players developing sooner rather than later. It is possible for all this to happen? Sure, but likely? No way.

I hate to agree, but I can also see the Mets being under .500 for many years to come, to at best winning between 81-83 games. I still follow, but I'll admit not as much as I used to. After a while being under .500 with no change in sight gets tiresome.

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

@mrmet4mvp so accurate. remember when metsblog kept telling us that payroll doesnt matter? gotta love them.

TheRealSayHey24
TheRealSayHey24

@mrmet4mvp You have to put "look" in front, to make it insulting.  Like, "look", you don't understand.  

hankypanky
hankypanky

As much as I dislike Backman, I feel that it is the right decision at this point in time, if only to rock the boat and revive interest in the team.. You make an excellent point in describing the fan malaise and how the present group of players have no idea of where we are coming from. I don't think Alderson understands this. As for the Wilpons, who cares what they know or don't know at this juncture.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

@qualcomm Then Mark Cuban buys the team and the Mets win the 2017 World Series

Frank Accardi
Frank Accardi

Doubleday lost interest cause Wilson put a clause in if the team is ever sold a minority owner can buy in to a equal stake. Then Doubleday Germany sold the side of the business that had the mets to another Doubleday division that's when Wilpon and his group jumped in,,,

The only thing Doubleday did wrong was trust that idiot wilpon. I would lose interest 2 and doubledays family was not interested in running the team

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

I agree. Even with the 10 games I go to, they're not part of a package or bought from the team. They are all purchased from either StubHub or TicketStubKing. I won't give the Mets money directly.

Bud Britton
Bud Britton

@hankypanky I for one, liked the TC hire over Wally. I did not think Wally was near ready and the team needed to be tended not managed. Now that we have entered the next phase, I feel that Wally, while still not the ideal candidate might bring some of the missing fire, plus he has a lot more of his guys on this team now so there will be a degree of respect already in place. Regardless, this team now needs a firm kick in the ass and Davey doesn't sound like he is coming back.

qualcomm
qualcomm

@hankypanky I agree.  I'm not a Backman guy, but at this point something drastic has to be done. 

qualcomm
qualcomm

@Kevin Joseph Patrick Same here... all stub hub of favors.  Even at that, I've turned down free tickets several times this year.  It's just not fun to be there.