The Mets and Cubs don’t match up as well as people think

The Cubs will need to see an overwhelming offer from the Mets to trade them 24-year-old, three-time All-Star SS Starlin Castro, the Chicago Tribune’s Mark Gonzalez recently told SNY.TV’s Mostly Mets podcast.



“I think they would be open to moving him, but it would have to be for a front line, non-arbitration eligible, No. 1 or No. 2 pitcher,” according to Gonzalez, who believes Castro’s bat is significantly less valuable if moved to third base or the outfield.


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According to New York reporter Andy Martino’s sources, while the Mets might be willing to part with Noah Syndergaard in a deal for Cubs SS prospect Addison Russell, the Cubs will almost certainly want more than that (Daily News, Aug. 20). Similarly, in return for Castro, while the Mets might consider trading Zack Wheeler and Wilmer Flores, Martino says the Cubs would again want more, such as Syndergaard or Jacob deGrom.

In the end, “It’s hard to see how we would actually match up,” an official with one of the clubs told Martino.




133 comments
nyjets76forlife
nyjets76forlife

@matthewcerrone coming..I know what ur trying to do Matt..the fans are braced for it already..Flores at SS and Den Dekker in LF OD in 2015

deekay31
deekay31

@matthewcerrone that post is not relevant anymore. know they need to get young arms to compete. Both teams have surpluses to deal

deekay31
deekay31

@matthewcerrone I read that back then. You only make mention of Castro and Russell. They shd target Soler. Plus deGrom's value has gone up

Justin Kaiser
Justin Kaiser

You can't just buy pitching. Sure, once every five years an ace hits the market, and maybe the Cubs can outbid them. But at the end of the day, free agent starters team controllable and cheap under 30 are very very rare. Given, they can draft guys, or just bank on no names, but even with this guys comment, you still have Addison Russell without a position (assuming the outfield is Soler, Alcantara, and Almora are the outfielders.) Even if Alcantara is the guy to go, I'm willing to give up a decent prospect for him.

With the Castillo signing, Mets should trade Rafael Montero to the Red Sox fro Jackie Bradley.... Straight up. Great defender, hit for power in minors but has struggled at major league level. Maybe he needs a change of scenery, and after trading Lester and Lackey could use an above average pitching prospect who could start immediately

Don't know if this trade could be done now, because doubt both players would clear waivers, but definitely a deal for the off season.

Bill Vanwormer
Bill Vanwormer

Cubs don't have the needs the Mets have and Theo knows it. You hit the nail on the head

birtelcom
birtelcom

Musial won 3 world championships, Mays won one and Aaron won one.  Like Mays and Aaron, Tom Seaver, Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens and Greg Maddux each won one world championship.  Yes, you can have murderer's row and without pitching you have nothing.  You also need a catcher, because as Casey S. pointed out, without one you get a lot of passed balls.  

matmil
matmil

Harvey, Wheeler and DeGrom are the future of this team. How many championships did Willie Mays win? How many did Musial win? Henry Aaron? Pitching wins championships. You could have murders row and without pitching you've got nothing. Everybody wants home run hitters, well that's what SA got you. Granderson, Duda, CY, what did it get you? Now you want more home run hitters and your thinking of trading away your best pitchers for some Dave Kingman or Jason Bay. Forget it. Pitching, speed , excellent defense, and Timely hitting WINS.

spelletrader
spelletrader

Sowing the seeds of a do nothing off season already?

hashburry
hashburry

I'd be ok with trading Harvey once he proves he's healthy, if they can get 2 top MLB ready prospects.

David Jay
David Jay

Here's the blog doing prep work for the Wilpons- now starting to lay the groundwork to justify another wasted offseason

zingzangzo
zingzangzo

Like to see us trade for Stanton. Giving a top pitching prospect, maybe Granderson + one of our 1st base prospects. Like to see Herrara stay with the organization as a top backup if need be for Murphy. Love the way Murphy has grown over the years as all around 2nd baseman. Love to see Matt Reynolds come up right now so Wright can rest his aching shoulder. Duda is turning his game around hitting for better pct. D'anaurd looks real nice. Love to see Dendecker lay off those in the dirt ala John Franco pitches. He has a sweet stroke that can get him an everyday position with that one correction of his at bats. If he walks more his pct. at the plate can soar to. Be more patient Matty!

birtelcom
birtelcom

", who believes Castro’s bat is significantly less valuable if moved to third base or the outfield. "  Well, yes, but not exactly an insight -- everybody's bat is necessarily less valuable if moved from short to third or the outfield.  Hitting talent is scarcer among guys who can play short than among those who can play third or outfield, so whenever you move anybody from short to third or outfield you are reducing the value of their bat relatively to competing available talent.   So to say this about Castro in particular is not really to say anything meaningful.      

birtelcom
birtelcom

Taking into account both offense and defense, Castro seems to be worth about two wins a season, at most, more than Ruben Tejada.  

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Sure, the guy is a bit of a head case (Reyes wasn't?!?) and takes the occasional play/game off. But when was the last time we had an impact player at SS?  Maybe the Cubs would be happy with one of our more seasoned pitchers. Sandy has got to work to make this happen. I do not want to see another season with Omar Quintanilla as a back-up option.

Rob_Z_31
Rob_Z_31

@AVSNY @metsblog ppl often focus on mets pitching depth & cubs hitting, but how often do two rebuilding clubs at similar stage deal?

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

Although I do feel that dealing one young pitcher, and some lesser talent for someone than Castro might be very reasonable, I think that the Mets should tell Theo Epstein to "pound salt" if he insists on two young pitchers.

Good young arms aren't a "dime a dozen" regardless of who is saying it.

matthewcerrone
matthewcerrone

@deekay31 they can only get who the Cubs are willing to trade, same goes for mets, hence the problem.

elcondor
elcondor

Jackie can just flat out not hit, change of scenery would not help. Just my opinion from what I've seen

matmil
matmil

I loved Casey so much I named my dog after him. He was great, made a really bad team watchable. When Aaron won he had some pretty good pitching. I didn't realize Musial won that many times but I'm sure they had some good pitching. Beside Stanton and Trout and maybe Harper I don't see anybody out there worth Harvey, Wheeler or DeGrom. Not worth Castro that's for sure.

birtelcom
birtelcom

The 1976 Reds and 2006 Cardinals (we remember that team painfully) are examples of teams that have won WS championships with generally mediocre pitching staffs (those Cards had Chris Carpenter and then pretty much a disaster of a remaining rotation).  It doesn't happen often, but it can happen.  On the other hand, it is true that these days with multiple rounds of playoffs, you are right, matmil, that a really good top of the rotation and a really good set of reliable relievers are increasingly valuable in the post-season.  

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

@zingzangzo Never gonna happen. And what organization in their right mind would sign Granderson after this season (irony intended)?

deekay31
deekay31

@matthewcerrone Soler is the guy. Exactly what the mets need for their lineup. I'd take Baez for short if he was available instead

deekay31
deekay31

@matthewcerrone improving via free agency is a thing of the past. Teams lock up their players through their prime years.

deekay31
deekay31

@matthewcerrone take a big step forward while keeping their payroll within range of the past few years. Both sides win here

deekay31
deekay31

@matthewcerrone well, obviously. That's why we need to create the buzz amongst both fanbases. This is the ONLY legit way for the to...

birtelcom
birtelcom

@matmil I do agree about Harvey, Wheeler, Jacob -- too much upside there to trade for any likely hitters.  Definitely agree about Castro and those three.  I put Castro in the "would trade for  Niese/Gee" category.  

birtelcom
birtelcom

Which is of course proven by how many more games the Cubs have won than the Mets this season.

deekay31
deekay31

@matthewcerrone I've put a ton of thought into this. It's fair for both sides. Both teams have surpluses to make up for their loss

deekay31
deekay31

@matthewcerrone ok and the Cubs get the rookie of the year AND darnaud who played to his potential.