Ruben Tejada

The latest on Tejada, Stephen Drew and trading for a SS

The D-Backs may look to trade 24-year-old SS Didi Gregorius, since fellow prospect Chris Owings is the front-runner to win Arizona’s starting shortstop competition (Bowden, Mar. 17).

The Mets have been monitoring Gregorius and Owings, while also scouting Mariners’ 2B-SS Nick Franklin, multiple sources recently told columnist John Harper (Daily News, Mar. 12).

The Mariners are likely going to trade Franklin before Opening Day, according to industry sources (ESPN NY, Feb. 20).

Harper believes Arizona would want Mets C prospect Kevin Plawecki and RHP Rafael Montero in a deal for Gregorius or Owings. Meanwhile, the Orioles and Rays are also interested in Franklin to be a second baseman, sources told Jon Heyman (CBS Sports, Mar. 13).

There is speculation the Tigers may also look in to Franklin, Gregorius and Owings, while also pursuing free-agent SS Stephen Drew, now that their shortstop, Jose Iglesias, may miss most of 2014 with shin injury.

Drew’s agent, Scott Boras, said recently that he and the Mets have talked, but Drew is still seeking a multi-year deal, despite Opening Day being two weeks away.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

I’d say the chance of acquiring Franklin for, say, Vic Black, would be 50-50 before Opening Day. In the event other teams are in the mix, Seattle may ask for Rafael Montero, at which point there is no chance of a deal. Otherwise, I think Ruben Tejada is the starting shortstop for the Mets and I end up never talking about Franklin again. More important, in talking to people close to the team, it doesn’t sound like the Mets are crazy about him, at least not to the extent that it’s worth giving up a good, young pitcher to get him.

Meanwhile, the situation in Detroit is going to give Drew more reason to hold out for a multi-year deal. My educated guess is that, if the Mets and Drew were able to work out a deal, it would have happened by now. Instead, if Drew has no options in a few weeks, and Tejada is a total mess, maybe they can find a renewed match? But, these days, with the Tigers, Orioles and maybe the Dodgers in play, I can’t see Drew settling on a one-year, $9.5 million deal… at least not yet.

As for Arizona, this looks like the best fit. The problem is that it may be too early for a trade. There is no pressure on Arizona to make a move. They can send Gregorius to Triple-A and feel out their rotation through April and May. In the event Alderson has yet to acquire a shortstop, and if Arizona is playing well and still has a hole in its rotation, and if Tejada continues to stumble, I think a really good trade can be made sending a shortstop to Queens and an established pitcher to the desert.




261 comments
Shawn R. Babcock
Shawn R. Babcock

I just don't understand. It seems the Mets are hoping...praying...that Tejada will provide anything positive for this team...just GET-BY at SS...as opposed to the position being a total loss in terms of production, which is a possible outcome with Tejada. Why fight it? Just cut or trade Tejada (for anything) and play Quintanilla/Seratelli. Sure, they are not going to hit much, but neither is Tejada...and at least I can count on the platoon above to make the plays in the field. What is Tejada's upside? He's a gap hitter, with no power, no speed, and problems in the field...who went into slumps that lasted months last year. Can anyone see Tejada hitting .300? Hahahaha. Stop trying to for force it, Mets. Tejada is only a player if everything clicks...and nothing is clicking...


As for trading for a SS. Forget it. Didi for TWO top prospects! Laughable. The guy is a slight upgrade with the bat over Q/Seratelli. Didi had a hot run and then face-planted last year. Why overpay at this point? Just accept competent SS play, and the occasional hit from the 8th spot. Q is a pro...which is a lot more than you can say for Tejada.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

Its a sad day when there are AAA and AA shortstops that can hit better than your major league starter. Tejada is the worst shortstop in the majors, behind even bench players. Plus there are minor league guys better than him. If you include the entire 40 man roster for each club, I doubt Tejada even breaks the top 50 Shortstops overall.

happy hank
happy hank

1) Gee and Plawecki for Owings seems like a reasonable trade and fair for both sides

2) DeGrom and Plawecki for Gregorius also seems fair

3) Gee for Franklin 1 for 1 seems reasonable 

4) i have no idea what the Rays want for Hak-Ju Lee

Metsnow
Metsnow

Why do I get the feeling that the Mets are going to do absolutely nothing regarding 1B and SS?

dabo
dabo

What is the news with Flores at SS?  We know he can hit and his defense has to be better than Tejada this spring.


Jerry Colfer
Jerry Colfer

Funny how the Mets and Jets seem to do a lot of "monitoring", but very little "acting".

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

After thinking about it, I am not too sure Vic Black is going to get it done 1-for-1 for Franklin. Black is a project & isn't really considered a prospect. Black has some nasty stuff, but he also has really bad control issues. He reminds me of many flame-throwers who have come before him & flamed out because they couldn't harness their stuff. It will take more than Black to get Franklin, especially with other teams in the mix for him.

As I said below & in other posts, the only guy I would trade any of our prized arms for is Owings. He is the real deal & is a player that could be our 3/5 hitter for a very long time. If you haven't been paying attention lately, the D-Backs have some serious issues in their rotation with guys coming down with injuries, specifically Corbin down for all 2014 & into 2015 with Tommy John. The D-Backs are a team that is looking to contend for a WC spot this year & they are closer than the Mets are this year. They won't contend if they can't take care of their hole in the rotation. If you look at the Mets projected 2015 rotation, assuming there are no trades or injuries, is: (1) Harvey; (2) Wheeler; (3) Niese; (4) Syndergaard; (5) Montero. I'm sure that Sandy will also add a veteran arm to compete for a spot & serve as depth. I expect Mejia to be part of the bullpen & ready for a spot start or rotation spot if there is an injury. If Matz comes through the system as fast as some are expecting him to after his injuries, he will likely be anchoring the AAA rotation or as a power lefty in the big club bullpen, also ready for a start if needed. There is also Jacob deGrom, who should be up on the mets at some point in 2014. Who does that leave out? DILLON GEE. There is no room for him on this team beyond this season. As it stands, the mets are paying him $3.625 million for 2014 & that figure will be closer to $4.5-$4.75 million if he has even an average season this year. That is too much money to be paying a guy who doesn't have a spot on the team. All of the guys I mentioned above all have a significantly higher ceiling than does Gee. I feel we have seen the best of Gee & I fear that if we hold onto him too long this season that we could have another Angel Pagan situation where we get nothing for him when we do move him. Given the D-Backs rotation issues, I am sure they are looking for a MLB-ready pitcher that they can immediately plug into their rotation. Montero is a good prospect, but he needs some time in the minors developing his secondary pitches, and he is an unknown. If the Mets can sell gee as a solid mid-rotation guy, which I don't think he is, then I would think the D-Backs would be more intrigued by him than Montero. Montero may be the better long-term acquisition, but Gee gives them a guy they can utilize right away & known what they are getting, for the most part. In that situation, I wonder whether Alderson can pry away Owings in a deal centered around Gee, instead of settling for Gregorious in a deal involving Montero (which I wouldn't do anyway). Of course Gee alone won't get it done, and we would have to part with Pawlecki, but unlike many guys on here, I think d'Arnaud is the real deal. He has shown gap & HR power this spring & has shown the ability to hit where the pitch is thrown to him; in other words, he has shown he can use all fields. d'Arnaud isn't Buster Posey in that he will take the league by storm; he is a guy that will develop with healthy time & reps.

I know I am going to get bashed by fans on here for this because there is a dying love for Dillon Gee, but it is something to certainly consider. There is no sense in the Mets keeping Gee & his increased salary when we could get a young, team-controlled, everyday SS for him. Let's face it, the mets are packing in 2014. If they were serious about this season, Stephen Drew would be on the team, Syndergaard & Montero would be breaking camp with the team, and we would have already traded an arm for one more bat. We have the pitching in the future to make some noise, but offensively we are far behind the Nationals & they aren't going anywhere. They have just as good young pitching as we do, but they have some seriously talented hitting that is either under team control or locked up on long-term deals. If we are going to even think about competing with them, we need to start adding some young hitters that will be around for a while & a guy like Owings is a big step in the right direction, even if it means parting ways with a fan favorite like Dillon Gee. Again, he has no spot on this team beyond 2014 & if we move him, at least he will have a chance to play somewhere.

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

As I've said before, between Owings & Gregorious, the only one worth Pawlecki & Montero is Owings. He's younger than Gregorious & he has produced at a higher level. It doesn't appear that Owings is available, so the Mets should move on from them. With regards to Franklin, I wouldn't mind taking him for Vic Black, not one bit. I don't think he had the defense to be a SS for the Mets, but there's one scenario that no one is talking about. Both Duda & Davis haven't shown any urgency when it comes to winning the first base job. Both guys are taking their sweet time coming back from their boo-boos to the point that Collins may as well flip a coin to determine the starter. How about the Mets trade for Franklin & put him at second base, his better position? This would allow the Mets to move Murphy to first & give Flores the first shot at SS. If it doesn't work out, or if Davis / Duda rake down in AAA, then Franklin can go to SS, Flores to the bench, Murph back to second. It doesn't seem likely, but it is plausible. Alderson says he is always looking to improve the team & this would be an improvement. We shall see.

airfeet
airfeet

Cerrone is an absolute idiot to think franklin is a 50 50 for Vic black

eavdr10
eavdr10

Would not and do not want to trade young pitching for these shortstops. But Tejada? Yikes!! If we don't have a SS coming up anytime soon then we may have to overpay for Drew. To be honest I could care less about what Drew gets paid. When you stink you have to overpay. I don't even like Drew but he's a major leaguer at least. Maybe they want to outbid the dodgers and Yankees next year for Hanley? Sounds like something they would do.

Johnny C
Johnny C

For Vic Black? Where do you come up with this crap?  A potential big league closer for an average SS?

Robert Nolan
Robert Nolan

When you consider the potential upside of Montero, do any of these names justify his inclusion in a deal. If Mets brass weren't scared of their shadows, Montero would break camp in the bullpen ala Adam Wainwright for the Cards. Get him ready for rotation spot later this year or next year. None of these guys is worth Montero.

crafalko17
crafalko17

@Metsnow Nothing is going to happen at 1B. We've known that all along. At SS it feels more likely that Flores/Tejada start than them picking up someone outside the organization via FA or Trade. Honestly the only trade option would be Franklin and I honestly don't want Drew for more than 1 year and since this team doesn't feel like it's win now I am not sure he's worth the 12mil

lindro88
lindro88

@Jerry Colfer  The Jets are more frustrating.  They have a ton of cap space, yet keep letting players leave the building without a contract.  I don't understand the plan.  At least I know why the Mets don't spend money.

crafalko17
crafalko17

@Kevin Joseph Patrick I like the idea except we aren't going to get Owings. He will start for AZ this year. Which leaves you the offensively challenged but defensive star in Gregorius and the defensively challenged but offensive player in Franklin. I feel Franklin can be had for cheaper, but we'll see.

Swabbles
Swabbles

@Kevin Joseph Patrick I like your thought process but an end of the rotation starter(Gee) and a catching prospect(Pawlecki) is not going to be enough to pry away a teams top prospect.  One that they actually think may be their opening day shortstop in 2014. 


And I like Syndergaard and Montero as prospects, but they are just that.  To think that they both automatically are ready to jump into the rotation next year, is VERY wishful thinking.  And even if that was the case, the would be an innings limit on both.  


I think Gregorious is getting a very bad rap.  He can be had this year, and much cheaper then Owings.  AND we can have him under team control for years to come.  Would I prefer Owings?  Maybe. . .but I do believe Gregorious would be a solid upgrade(anyone would at this point)as well as addition to this team. 

vimets
vimets

@Kevin Joseph Patrick I agree what you are saying about Owings, but I think it's going to take more then Gee and Plawecki to pry him away from the D-Backs.

crafalko17
crafalko17

@eavdr10 We aren't getting Drew. He wants to go to a contender, which is why he isn't already signed. I don't mind losing pitching that isn't Thor/Montero and I would not want to lose Plawecki. The rest of our crop should be fair game. If we don't trade for Franklin, we will be stuck with Tejada and Q this year and likely sign a SS FA next year. I honestly like Franklin and Owings, but Franklin is much cheaper since he struggled his "FIRST" year in the majors. Kid is a switch hitter with a plus bat and can play both SS and 2B, while maybe a little below ML average, still certainly serviceable given his bat potential.

airfeet
airfeet

Vic black sucks. Most overrated player

nymess
nymess

@Johnny C  before the last sentence, I thought you meant that the Mariners would laugh and hang up the phone on Sandy for making that offer...which is exactly what would happen. If that happens, I'll eat my hat. 


Kinda weird to see a pro blogger like Matt say that has a 50-50 shot of happening...especially after Black has basically crapped the bed his last few outings with Mariners scouts watching. I know it's only spring, but if that was an audition, it had to have changed lots of minds. 


it's amazing though how fans overvalue their own team's talent and undervalue that of other teams. 

crafalko17
crafalko17

@Johnny C Average SS? You mean Average defensively right? He has a damn good bat, especially for the position. Profiles for 20+ HR at SS and he's a switch-hitter. If we can get Franklin 1 for 1 for Vic Black that'd be amazing. Everyday SS for ANY prospect reliever is amazing value.


People get too tied up in his stats last year. He destroyed the minors and if you go by what he hit last season than d'Arnaud/Flores/Lagares are all crap too right? I'd be elated if we were able to get Franklin for Black and everyone else should too.

crafalko17
crafalko17

@Jaime Franklin was around 70 in baseball last year. Chris Owings is 77 this year and Gregorius isn't even in the top 100. The kid can't hit. Has a Rey Ordonez vibe to him. Franklin's stock dropped after he struggled last year so this would actually be a good time to pick him up while his value is low. By comparison Montero is ranked 85 in baseball this year and Plawecki is currently not in the top 100. Though I would think next year he could easily move into the top 50 which is why I don't think we should trade him.


I like Franklin. Kid is a switch hitter who has a good bat, very good bat for SS. He lacks a bit defensively, but look at what we have now. He should hit 20+ this year. If we can get him for anything outside of Thor/Montero/Plawecki, I would absolutely do it. I wouldn't go for Gregorious at all, and Owings is the hot prospect right now so we would have to way overpay. The only answer is Franklin if we are going to pick someone up.

adam
adam

@bockers  they had a top 5 payroll for about 8 years straight. Problem is it was spent the wrong way for a long time and now they're hesistant to spend. You're going to boycott the Mets but you support Metsblog ??????????????????? 

Stearnsfan12
Stearnsfan12

@dreamer3kx.  NO, the money problems have been solved.   The Mets can spend money now.  They just don't b/c they don't want to yet....wink, wink

Stearnsfan12
Stearnsfan12

@Robert Nolan.  Plus, Plawecki is rating higher and higher each year.  That's 2 pretty good prospects for shortstops that aren't even good enough to nab a starting spot in Seattle or Arizona.  Something doesn't ring true there.  Teams can ask for whoever they want but even the Mets can't be dumb enough to give up Montero for anyone short of a stud, ready to play and star immediately. 

happy hank
happy hank

@Robert Nolan  i'm with u man i think Montero is going to be something special. control pitchers can tear up teams more then guys who throw 99-Mph and can't find the plate. and it's not like Montero throws 88-Mph either he gets it up there at 92-94-Mph and that's plenty hard. mix in a change up that's a plus pitch and a improving slider and i think Montero is going to be a beast. 

Jon Pace
Jon Pace

@vimets  At this point Dillon Gee is a proven, capable, starting pitcher in the Majors who is probably better than the #4/#5 pitcher he was initially projected to be. In other words, he has value and would be more than enough - in my opinion - for a Chris Owings or Gregorius. Now that doesn't mean I would trade him - because I wouldn't. 

Vin Santiago
Vin Santiago

The idea that Drew wants to go to a contender is comical.  He wants to go to who ever will write him the biggest check and that is all and currently no team is going to even come close to paying him what he wants.  The Mets need to trade for someone and if it means giving Montero and Plawecki then so be it. 

airfeet
airfeet

Agreed. Frankly black sucks. Cerrones comments are a joke. There's a reason black was in AAA last year for the pirates. He wasn't good enough to crack the pen.

Coq de Pierre
Coq de Pierre

@nymess "Pro blogger"---you're kidding, right? He has zero critical reasoning skills.

crafalko17
crafalko17

@nymess Totally, I can't imagine Black being the centerpiece even, more like a Throw-in with Mejia or something.

Johnny C
Johnny C

@crafalko17 @Johnny C  gotta hold onto Black and Familia. Send Flores and Mejia, if they think Franklin is the real deal.  Or Torres instead of Mejia. 

metstastic
metstastic

@crafalko17 @JaimeFranklin can't field.. He has 2B written all over him. Why not move Murphy to SS and play EY to 2B?


I doubt Owings will be traded.


crafalko17
crafalko17

@adam @bockersThe problem is they don't have the money because of what happened, or rather are less willing to throw it around because they are in a tight situation financially. If not, they would have gone out and signed Choo instead of CY. Talk about a lineup changer.

Stearnsfan12
Stearnsfan12

@happy hank He reminds me of Pedro Martinez, in terms of command and appearance.  If he matches him in terms of ability, the Mets will have something special alright....

Joshua Shapiro
Joshua Shapiro

@Ed Renner Franklin can hit.  He's not really a SS though. I feel comfortable that he is as good a hitter as Drew right now and will be better in the future.  You'd be sacrificing D.  I'd be alright with Drew for 2 years max, but only so we don't waste valuable prospects on another team's SS castoff.

Shawn M. Milburn
Shawn M. Milburn

You forget the Mets 2015 rotation has Colon too. Harvey/Colon/Niese/Wheeler/Syndergarrd. Gee and Montero will be moved for bats before next season

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

I will agree that Niese is pretty fragile. I have never been high on Niese. He is what he is: a .500 pitcher with a 4.00 ERA that has either gotten injured or run out of steam at the end of every season but 1 (2012). The bottom line is that he has no trade value because of that. It's a matter of getting the most out of what you have & in my opinion, Gee has more trade value right now than Niese. I don't necessarily believe that will be the case at the end of 2014; I think Gee will come back down to earth & pitch like he did pre-2013 second half. Injuries aside, Niese is a better #4 or #5 option than Gee because when healthy he is a better pitcher. With his team-friendly contract, the Mets need him next year to break up the righties. Even if we do trade Niese - which will not happen - Mejia, deGrom & Matz are all better than Gee & there still isn't room for him. We held onto Pagan 1 year too long & got garbage for him when he came back down to earth. If we hold onto Gee all year, I fear we will have the same situation when we do try to move him & his $4.5 million projected salary. All I'm saying is that Gee has more value than does Niese right now, especially with Niese's recent injuries, and if we can put a package together centering around him for a SS of the future to a team needing immediate SP help, then I would do it. I honestly believe the only reason Gee is still on the team right now is because of Harvey's injury. We have seen Gee pitch well, but we have also seen him pitch very bad; his bad has been more often than his good. The timing is perfect to move him & land a solid hitting piece for the future while still holding onto the prized arms we have in the system. It's a matter of value. I would love it if teams would take all the players we don't want & give us players in return, but it's just not realistic.

crafalko17
crafalko17

@Vin Santiago He'll take less money to go to a contender than come here. Odds are he'll end up on the Tigers.

nymess
nymess

@Coq de Pierre @nymess  well he runs a blog for a living, and gets paid for it, thus making him a professional blogger. I'm not really here to insult anyone. 

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

Mejia isn't a "throw in." Mejia can very well be a middle of the rotation guy down the road. He has a 10x higher ceiling than Dillon Gee. Would you consider Gee a "throw in"?

crafalko17
crafalko17

@Johnny C @crafalko17I don't love Black tbh. He isn't even a top 10 prospect for us. He has speed but is wild and his secondary pitches aren't great. He has the mentality but his stuff isn't there yet. Reminds me a bit of a RH Edgin which scares me. Remember you are trading a prospect reliever for what could be your everyday SS. I haven't heard anything about Familia but I'd value him much higher than Black and agree with you there. The thing is if you want to get back someone who was a top 100 prospect, you're going to have to give something up. Ya know?

Andrew Sodergren
Andrew Sodergren

@happy hank @Andrew Sodergren@Stearnsfan12@Robert NolanIf I was more sure about d'Arnaud, I would do that deal. But I'm worried that if they deal Plawecki and d'Arnaud flames out, they're back at square one.
Plus, if Plawecki has a good year at the higher levels and d'Arnaud does well, Plawecki's trade value goes up big time for next offseason. The flipside is he could struggle and his value could go down, but I like Plawecki's approach at the plate a lot. Saw him a few times at St. Lucie last year and liked what I saw.

happy hank
happy hank

@Andrew Sodergren @Stearnsfan12 @Robert Nolan  Plawecki and DeGrom for Gregorius i would have to think about for half a second before i said yes. i love Did glove and i think the bat will be average enough especially for SS. but Montero and Plawecki is not a big overpay for Didi. it is a Brobdingnagian over pay. and i hope Sandy is smart enough to laugh in their faces.

happy hank
happy hank

@Stearnsfan12 personally i heard the Greg Madox comp for Montero and i thought that was good. also the Johan Santana comp makes sense to me alot.