Thankfully, Mets avoid making history, but offense still struggling

The Mets managed seven hits Tuesday night, after having been held to four or fewer hits in their each of  their previous five games.

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, no club since 1900 has done this in six straight games.

Nevertheless, the Mets were 1-for-7 with runners in scoring position and lost to the A’s.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

This team is capable of scoring, we know this. But, for some reason, their aggressiveness seems to ebb and flow. I don’t know if it’s a matter of travel, pre-game work, approach, the hitting coach, overall confidence, ability of the opposing pitcher or what, but I know it when I see it, because it’s frustrating and boring to watch.

They have gone through weeks when they ran the bases well, they were swinging early, making good contact and scoring; and then they’ve gone through stretches like right now, when they’re taking pitches and essentially playing Earl Weaver, station-to-station baseball, but without the power hitters capable of clearing the bases. Again, it’s very frustrating to watch…




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birtelcom
birtelcom

Matt: Most of the ebbs and flows of hitting over the course of a season are probably noise, not signal, to use Nate Silver's distinction between the meaningless static of random ups and downs (noise)  vs. real phenomena with causal explanations. 

The Mets' team OPS last season was .672, this season it is .660.  But that drop may mostly reflect an overall decline in hitting across the majors.   MLB's overall OPS this season is down from .714 last season to .703 this season.  MLB is down .011 points of OPS and the Mets are down .012.  That may suggest that Mets hitters as a whole have been pretty much stable in their performance given the environment for at least two years.  The week to week ups and downs are probably  just  random fluctuations.    

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

I expected so much more out of 2014 than celebrating not being historically bad with the bat. What a depressing, kick-in-the-gut, story-never-changes way for this year to play out.

Other than the continued progression of Wheeler, TDA and (I'll admit I was wrong) Duda, this is the most demoralizing of the last few years in my view. 

gts41
gts41

Wright needs to be a 2 hitter in our 2015 line up. Our line up needs more hits and less easy outs. easier said than done. The new outfielder and SS has to be real productive competent major league hitters. Makes no sense to waste so many quality starts scoring 2 runs or less everyday. no team can win this way.


Ricardo Ronda
Ricardo Ronda

I respect Wright but has to be taken out of 3 hole

kingman76
kingman76

They lost anyway - rather they have gotten the record.  A record is a record after all.  We already have the most losses in a season at 120.  This would have just added to the Mets losing mystique.

matmil
matmil

All the people who say that this is not Collin's fault have not seen enough baseball. This is not the first team to struggle for runs. There is a way to play when you have no power but Collin's doesn't try. He is still waiting for the home run. The best manager I ever saw under these circumstances was Billy Martin. If he was managing this team they would be at least a .500 club. You have got to instill in these players a hard nosed aggressiveness and a will to win.

robby
robby

These players are to inconsistent.  They need a new set of players that have heart

ventura_4
ventura_4

If the Mets don't compete soon Flushing is going to look like Ferguson in the next two years; ........too soon?

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

We can't say the Mets players lack teamwork. When they are hitting, it's teamwork. When they are not hitting, It's teamwork. This is the only situation I can think of where teamwork fails.

stage52
stage52

"Ebb and Flow"  So that's what they call it !

nydavid42
nydavid42

Alderson’s entire plan was “If”… “When”… “Maybe we’ll have meaningful games…” But the only place he succeeded, cut the budget. Any other owners would trash this management right now. 4 years of lies, throwing players under the bus but keeping them, sitting on his hands, being ‘not interested’ and a AAA revolving door, plus retreads way past their prime (or no prime at all).

2 core players in 4 years. Wheeler and d’Arnaud. For all the shuffling that’s really all we got. Everyone else is STILL an “if”…”when”… The bulk of the roster is still Omar’s team. And they collapsed when Omar was in charge too. Expect more of the same for next season.

Wilpon’s can’t pay for a team.

Alderson can’t build a team.

Collins can’t manage a team.

We won the trifecta.

rf04
rf04

David Wright batting 2nd. Am I Wright? He's currently not hitting for power, but still gets on base at a decent clip. This will get him some more pitches to see and maybe a a couple more ABs?

Not saying that solves our offensive problems, but it makes sense right now.


theglider
theglider

So with one player batting over .270 and a bullpen with 25 losses so far how many games should this team have won?

BerryBeltran
BerryBeltran

To be struggling STILL in August is just sad....offense has been inconsistent to down right awful all season...what happens when you rely on too many prospects/minor league guys...combine that with an off year from Wright and Granderson still thinking he is in Yankee Stadium..and a catcher that figures out how to hit late in the year..plus no true veteran bench guys...this is what you get...4 years running and probably next year too

Glenn Blasius
Glenn Blasius

The team is NOT capable of scoring runs.  They are 26th out of 30 teams in Runs Scored.    I guess they are capable compared to my little league team.  But compared to the major leagues, they are INcapable.   No amount of occasional 6-9 run outbursts will do anything to change this. 

cyjabeli
cyjabeli

We can hit we know it........You start off with a lie........

ventura_4
ventura_4

Why is this surprising to anyone? This is what bad teams do, "we know they are capable of scoring" lol, what an empty statement - of course they're capable of scoring, every team is. They are not capable of maintaining any type of success because they are an awful baseball team. The Padres who have a historically pathetic offense this season, are ahead of the Mets in the standings; the Marlins who everyone laughed at - are 2.5 games out of a WC game (they're actually my pick to win the 2nd WC). 


I just don't know what to say anymore besides that; they are not good and they will finish with less than 74 wins this year - I don't see them going 15-20 the rest of the year to reach 74 wins. So they will regress this season.

DON'T BE SLOPPY
DON'T BE SLOPPY

"it’s very frustrating to watch…"  Are you just figuring that out now Matt?

It's been like that for many years. I'm a born and raised New Yorker. Born a Met Fan. I love this team unconditionally. I don't get paid to watch, report or talk about the Mets. I feel that for the majority of us here that is the case. For you to know just realize the team is "Frustrating to watch" is rather alarming.  


I get it. This is your job but, for the true Met fans we call it like we see it because we can. We didn't sellout what we love and has been a part of the fabric that is our lives for a pay check. 

matt greco
matt greco

i love how the title of this post is "thankfully, mets don't make history" - honestly matt, who the f * * * cares if they didn't make history?  the eyes tell you this offense is historically bad, and they lost.  i'm supposed to be happy they lost just because they "didn't make history?"  give me a f * * * ing break.

spo52
spo52

TC needs to be gone!!!!!!!!!!!PERIOD

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

People that say it's not the managers fault are living in a fantasy world. These dudes have no fight they don't respect this manager. It's written all over their faces. And I don't think it's a coincidence that this recent swoon comes right after the report that he will be back barring a collapse. A manager, while not his fault that the team isn't hitting usually shakes things up in the lineup or style of play or just receives the overall effort from his guys cuz they like playing for him. Not happening here in any variant

jojo218
jojo218

well if this dont count as total collapse idk what will this stretch should seal TC faith

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

It's amazing the change in the Mariners after picking up Cano.  The guy's a superstar, and apparently a leader.  I guess you get what you pay for. 

jojo218
jojo218

mets had big offensive night with 7 hits i almost couldnt keep track of all the hits

mvmet
mvmet

by 3 hits?...That's close enough to a record.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Yes the Mets are struggling.....seems it doesn't bother Alderson though.

Matthew Shea
Matthew Shea

How is this year any different than the last 5? This team is not better than last year, or the year before that or the year before that, etc. There is a strong possibility this team will end up with its third straight 74 win season and 6 straight sub-80 win season and yet Sandy will stay, Collins will stay and well of course the owners will stay. Does anyone really want to hear about next year? Harvey will do this, Wheeler, etc. It doesn't matter, the franchise is stuck with awful owners. Awful owners put awful product on the field b/c they will not do what it takes to make the Mets a winner. I just laugh when I read about next year b/c this year was supposed to be THE YEAR when they made a jump to be competitive.

theglider
theglider

People on here complain about the Mets acting like a small market team but then they want prospects in the majors, which is what small market teams do.

Enough potential! Haven't any of you learned from Brown, Satin, Flores, den Dekker, Nieuwenhuis......

Potential means nothing. Get real players in here. No more possibles or maybes. This is what you all ask for then complain when they don't pan out.

hankypanky
hankypanky

Billy Martin? Perfect. A drunk and a bully. Exactly what the Mets need.

Cheryl Ann
Cheryl Ann

Maybe the team is done trying to win. Like many other teams out of race, the strategy shifts to next year. Leaving Grandy,Murphy, DW, and Duda 1-4 allows them to try and "gel" in the order we'll likely see next year if Murphy is still around. Playing the young guys in any order after that gives them major league ABs and a look in the field- seeing Flores at second a game or two, Den Dekker and Campbell in outfield. If DW is healthy, getting back in box and facing tough RHP is a better way for him to figure it out & get comfortable again after last year's beaning and all the up and in pitching this year. Sitting on bench won't do anything and he's too big a piece - he's got to figure it out. Again, team is not playing to win now.

matmil
matmil

That's why it won't happen, it makes sense.

ventura_4
ventura_4

@BerryBeltran That's what I hate; they're not "struggling" this is what they are. The only positives to take away from this year are Wheeler, deGrom,  the bullpen, TDA (hopefully), and maybe Duda - honestly I'm still not sold, but maybe that's just me. 

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Dave D'Agnese I really want to see Terry gone, but when people say it is or it isn't his fault, they have to be clear what they mean. It's not his fault this isn't a playoff team. No manager could get this team to the playoffs; that's the combined fault of Sandy and the Wilpons. But it is, at least partly, Terry's fault they're completing swooning down the stretch again and are probably going to finish a minimum of 10 games under .500. And the only reason they're not going to finish dead last in the division is that the Phillies have been just as dreadful lately. If the Phillies ever managed to play even .480 ball (17-19) down the stretch, I wouldn't be shocked if it was enough to climb out of last and overtake the Mets with the way this team is playing and the remaining schedule it has to get through. Terry should be fired for that. This is a bad team, but it shouldn't be THAT bad imo.

golsf
golsf

@Macacawitz Well, the Mariners will be able to enjoy 10 years of Cano @ $24 million per.  Let's see how they're enjoying him in the year 2023 ...

ken1010
ken1010

@Albert E Lewis

Why should it bother Alderson and the Wilpons.  We have been struggling for six years, playing meaningless games, but the roster costs less each year.  Perhaps that Is progress for them?

matmil
matmil

They jumped and fell flat on their faces.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

Who cares about win totals when we're not even in the race.  If you can't identify the potential building blocks this team actually has going into the immediate future, you're crazy. 

This team utterly stinks, but it's completely different then the past crap one.  We've seen that Duda, TdA, Lagares, DeGrom, Wheeler, Familia, Mejia can all be part of the immediate future here.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@theglider It's August though. There's no "real players" to get in here right now. So with that in mind, yes, I'd rather see Wilmer Flores and Matt Den Decker playing that Ruben Tejada and Chris Young. Doesn't mean I want them starting on Opening Day next year, but with this season going nowhere anyway, I'd rather see them than some veteran who I'm positive isn't part of the solution.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

There's a difference between prospects, and AAAA filler that has very little chance to be an impact guy.  Out of all the guys you listed only Flores has any real promise with den Dekker maybe profiling as a 4th or 5th OF if he gets lucky.

matmil
matmil

A drunk a bully and a damn good manager. I guess it's better to have a nice man who can't win.

spo52
spo52

@Eddie_Dean @Dave D'Agnese terry should be fired for creating an atmosphere where the plyers don't have any idea where they will be in lineup or on field. yougo 3/4 and you siut the next day. NO CONSISTANCY

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

I agree the roster is not a playoff team but look at what mike Redmond is doing with miami. Of he can get that out of a team without their ace collins should be able to do it here too. With the proper lineup configurations I think this team would have won more games.or some of his bullpen moves

matt greco
matt greco

@golsf @Macacawitz something tells me if they win a championship or two over the first 7 years of the contract, they won't care...

Matthew Shea
Matthew Shea

You are what your record says you are. 3 years with the same record (and 6 years without reaching .500) says you are a garbage franchise.

Ike Davis was part of the immediate future. Parnell was part of the immediate future. Tejada was a part of the future. The names change but the story is the same. Honestly, do you think absent 2 established major league hitters being added to the lineup, this team has any hope of making the playoffs next year? I am not talking about Chris Young or Grandy. Wright is in decline. Murphy is great but has no pop.

theglider
theglider

We need real players, not possibilities.

Flores has never shown any ability to hit. There are so many excuses for this lack of hitting it's ridiculous. How many times is he or Campbell or Nieuwenhuis or den Dekker going to fail and excuses are made?

If they can't consistently hit a fly ball with someone on third then they're not the solution. Get a real batter who can.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

Mets should hire you to be a professional scout then, if you're so sure.

matt greco
matt greco

@theglider i'm glad flores is a major league bust and "has never shown any ability to hit" based on his grand total of 247 major league plate appearances.


NOTE: we need major league hitters.  i'm just not willing to label flores a bust when he has raked at every level in the minors...not to mention we may need him when we trade murphy since we can't afford to re-sign him.  sucks, but this is what this organization is.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

You're right - none of those guys are going to be part of the solution, but you're crazy if you toss aside or dismiss Thor or Herrera or a little further down the road, Nimmo, etc.

Matthew Shea
Matthew Shea

I just am so doubtful that will happen. Just haven't seen the willingness to do it. Hope I am wrong, but hope for the Mets is in short supply