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Terry Collins has a plan for his starting shortstop

Terry Collins told reporters that he has a plan for who will be his starting shortstop each night, at least in the short-term.

“I can tell you right now, I’ve got it already penciled in who’s playing shortstop the rest of this week,” he said. “There’s no reason why you can’t get through the year with two guys getting opportunities to play.”

In the wake of free-agent SS Stephen Drew re-signing with the Red Sox on Tuesday, Sandy Alderson and Collins both talked up shortstops Wilmer Flores and Ruben Tejada.

“What we have to do is make sure that we have the long-term in mind,” Alderson said, saying he never considered meeting Drew’s demands. “We have to make sure that we give some of our young players a chance to realize whatever potential they have.”

In regards to balancing the long-term with the short-term goal of winning today, Collins said (Newsday, May 20), “It’s hard. It’s very hard.”

In the 11 games since joining the Mets on May 9, the 22-year-old Flores has started just four times at shortstop, during which Tejada is batting .185 with seven starts. Flores is batting .222 in 21 plate appearances.

“I know I can play it, I just need to show them,” Flores said Tuesday (NY Post, May 21). “It’s definitely hard. I’ve never been through this, playing, then not playing. I just have got to get used to it.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

This isn’t being handled well and I don’t know who is to blame. The problem is clear, though: The manager isn’t confident in what he’s doing and why, and the players have no idea what their future holds. I assume this falls on Alderson, who, at the very least, needs to set a more clear goal for Collins. Or, in the event he’s done that, Collins needs more direction or information about how to fill out his lineup card, which can he helped out by his coaches, communication and confidence in his players.

Or, maybe Collins just needs better players. Because, in the end, it may not be a matter of strategy or goals or directives, it may just be that Tejada and Flores are not very good and who plays when and why will not really matter. If that’s the case, the blame falls on ownership and Alderson to provide Collins with a roster of talent equal to the size of their goals. The point is, this situation (as well as the one in center field, and soon, the rotation) reads like an organization of people who may not all be on the same page, and that is rarely good for business.




236 comments
L.a. Henry
L.a. Henry

I have given Collins the benefit of the doubt, but I can't understand not playing, Lagares, Flores and EY, not to mention Campbell. Tejada is not the answer at short.

I think it's time for new blood. Let's see Wally get a chance. This is not working now with TC. Time to move on.

Doubleday
Doubleday

After selling his half of the Mets to Fred Wilpon, Nelson Doubleday had this to say in 2003:  


“Mr. Jeff Wilpon has decided that he’s going to learn how to run a baseball team and take over at the end of the year,” Doubleday told the newspaper. “Run for the hills, boys. I think probably all those baseball people will bail.”  Doubleday added, "“We might fall into a minor league. ” 

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Terry's plan= let Tejeda play all year and hit .180.

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

Wednesday night: Guy who can't hit

Thursday night: Guy who can't catch

Friday night: Guy who can't hit

Repeat

Chad Michael
Chad Michael

Tejada has had more than ample time to show the Mets what he is made of and that is not much.  Since Flores came up he has looked much better in the field but his offense still is terrible and that really is what the Mets need right now.  Flores should get the bulk of the playing time, period.  I'm not saying he is the answer or that he is the long term solution, but right now that is all the Mets have to go on.  They need to see what Flores can do.  Maybe he doesn't work out at SS but getting regular playing time will result in his bat coming alive.  At least then the Mets could find a trade partner for someone looking for a bat that would let  Flores play his natural position.

triviaace
triviaace

Alderson has a knack for signing players off the garbage heap on the cheap.  He is also good at standing behind the curtain and talking while Collins moves his lips. These two are good for each other but not for the Mets.  At the start of the season our genius GM was talking about a 90 win season.  Right now 90 losses seems more like it.  They both need to go, the sooner the better.

stage52
stage52

I am sure most of you here have noticed Collin's tendency to not use the players that are brought up and they end up rotting on the bench eventually being no good to anyone.  I think Collin's is  more responsible for this than anyone else.  Why bring them up if you  do not use them to the team's advantage.  You can send Abreu back down and send Brown back now because he at least can hit home runs off the bench

Robert C. Smith
Robert C. Smith

The Mets "have to make sure that we give some of our young players a chance to realize whatever potential they have.”


The Red Sox? They just want to WIN.


And there's the story.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

Can we just cut Tejada, play Flores, and if he fails, call up an all-glove SS from somewhere in the minors? Seriously, who cares if it comes to that. Tejada definitely isn't the answer, so let's do what we claim to do and ACTUALLY evaluate Flores for once. 

qualcomm
qualcomm

ooooooor they can play Flores since Tejada provides no value and clearly Flores isn't nearly as bad as they say he is over there.  

Whoever is in charge of this mess needs a vacation. 

Evil_MrM
Evil_MrM

I want to see Flores play for a week straight.  That will give him a chance to get comfortable at the plate; plus, we'll get to see him handle SS defensively.  Putting him out once or twice a week puts too much stress on him to perform that day.  I understand some fans believe players should be ready when called for (and I really don't disagree) but, we need to put emotions aside to adequately judge whether Flores is a major league or AAAA player...

lindro88
lindro88

TC is certainly not an impressive guy, at least in how he handles the media.  That being said this team has a terrible roster.  That is not on him.  They look like they are headed for 10 games under .500 in a hurry, and should be completely unwatchable by the end of June. 

xplr
xplr

Custer had a plan too.

dtlmetsfan
dtlmetsfan

"It may just be that Tejada and Flores are not very good and who plays when and why will not really matter."


Why not just say the obvious, Matthew: Wilmer Flores has produced at every level and deserves a shot in the big leagues. Tejada has had his and its not pretty by any metric/advanced metric of which we know.


End of story. There's nothing complicated here. Play Flores, and if we can get a young SS for a package without Syndergaard, we go for that in a month's time. Your analysis just makes it more confusing than it has to be.

mi
mi

lol its funny how cerrone says this is not being handled well, guess what NOTHING HE DOES IS 

TheJMan
TheJMan

Here's your competent manger JGLA and all TC apologists

After two years as Angels manager, he resigned with 29 games remaining in the 1999 season. It was not just a case of an under-performing team, but of a man who had reportedly lost his clubhouse. The headline the next day in the Los Angeles Times read "Manager Takes Fall for Angels," and detailed how some players staged a mutiny against him.

nolrog
nolrog

>>> “There’s no reason why you can’t get through the year with two guys getting opportunities to play.” 

Except when you don't play two guys.

The plan for the week:


Tejada

Tejada

Tejada

Tejada

Flo. . . Tejada

Tejada

Tejada

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

I have a feeling the players including Wright are talking amongst themselves what a joke this manager and franchise has become. I bet Harvey is already talking to lawyers how he can escape MLB rules and become a Yankee in 2016.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

I'm really beginning to hate this organization.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

Flores at his worst is better than Tejeda at his best offensively and not only has Flores defense not come back and bite us yet, but he's actually looking very comfortable there. I don't know what there is to think about.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

The way this team is now I see 70 wins this year tops.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

My new favorite (un)reality show is the Sandy Alderson/Terry Collins press conference. Always good for an unintentional moment of unbridled hilarity. "You know what I'm sayin?' (Omar allusion)  As for Terry's grand design: "You're doin' a heckuva job,. Brownie!"

crimsondad
crimsondad

@SuperDuper  Sandy's plan is to save the franchise for little Fraedo to run when Fred goes .Only problem is by the time the Wilpons are done there'll be no fan base left

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

@Jay Cross Precisely. Give Flores a chance to hit. There are a ton of guys who can at least catch it in the minors if he blows up.

If Tejada achieves 100% of his potential, it's still not going to help much.

stage52
stage52

@Jay Cross Give Serratelli a shot. He can play short and 2nd base and wants to play in the Majors. I do not think Tejada will be any better than what we are seeing from him now. 

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

@Joe Wenzel Somehow, I need to get a video of RainMan saying "We're hunting strikes". That's all I can think of when I hear that phrase. "We're counting cards!"

By the way, from the mounting strikeout totals, it appears that they have indeed bagged their limit of strikes for this safari.

qualcomm
qualcomm

@Joe Wenzel "hunt strikes" - catch phrases are the mark of a crap team. 

philsdad
philsdad

@lindro88 I wont be watching unless I see that Flores and Lagares are starting.  I don't care if they lose with those guys.  But I cant stomach them playing EYjr and Tejada as often as they do.

jlga
jlga

Don't tell that to the people on here. They think that, with this roster, the team should be 35-10.

rico
rico

@lindro88  I think Keith Hernandez said it best when he and the announcers were talking about TC getting exasperated in the press conferences.  Said Mex, "It's insane how much media there is today and every day here now. It's like game 7 of the World Series, every freaking day!" 


There is nothing Collins can say or do that is not going to be questioned cynically, suspiciously, and maliciously.  You get into anybody's head too much and they're going to lose it.  Fans, press will be Terry's undoing not his players or poor record with the hand he was dealt.



rico
rico

@mets2death  Hey Centeno has been hitting, he's not a "whatever"



qualcomm
qualcomm

@dtlmetsfan Agreed.  Nobody can say Flores isn't good because Flores has not gotten a chance to demonstrate that.

Sal
Sal

@dtlmetsfan  Bingo.  That this is even an issue to dance around is ridiculous.  No one is claiming Flores would be a great SS option on any other team but on the Mets he shouldn't even have to share time.


Just like the Lagares situation, this is a complete and avoidable cluster.

D
D

@TheJMan Anytime JLGA is presented with Facts that contradict his storyline of Terry being ZERO part of the problem, he promptly ducks and hides under his rock, then comes out from under it on a different thread, point fingers everywhere else except his gramps Terry, Rinse, Repeat

TheJMan
TheJMan

oh.. and mike scioscia won a few years later there--changed the culture of the team


Doubleday
Doubleday

@Albert E Lewis  You don't go out and make trades just to make trades - especially when you haven't given the guys you have the chance to thrive.

stage52
stage52

@Christopher Masiello @Joe Wenzel I think Collin's doing an Elmur Fudd voice would be better

L.a. Henry
L.a. Henry

@mets2death @Evil_MrM Give him at least until the break. How could Collins say that Tejada has been swinging  the bat well??????????? He's hitting .196!!!!!!!!!!!!!!How good can he be hitting??????

L.a. Henry
L.a. Henry

@rico @lindro88 That does not explain his decisions on the field. Not playing Lagares, Flories, Campbell and EY is insane.

upstater
upstater

@rico @lindro88I'm tired of people banging on NYC media and fans. NYC just wants someone who makes a real attempt to win -- look how positive everyone is to Rex and even to Woodson last year. Blaming the media is an easy way out of taking responsibility for being bad.

qualcomm
qualcomm

@rico Well since everyone on earth knows NYC has this sort of media pressure, which dolt picked Collins as the voice of the franchise? That was Omar's biggest issue and they cherry picked another guy who's uncomfortable handling himself.

Evil_MrM
Evil_MrM

@rico @mets2death It's strange that a player (Centano), who has a reputation as a defensive specialst, can't throw a ball to second base...

TheJMan
TheJMan

@D  

sound like a man who has a grasp on his team?

said AFTER the game... 

“I’m going to find out what he’s trying to do,” Collins said of Montero.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

@doubleday @Albert E Lewis True but we need a lot more than just a SS...

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

@doubleday @Albert E Lewis I don't think hes enough to offset this teams horrible hitting.Dont get me wrong I think hes capable of 275-16-20 hrs 80 rbis eventually.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@Albert E Lewis @doubleday  For the short term, Flores can be the answer at SS and for the offense.  They just have to let him play.