Terry Collins is lacking options

Juan Lagares will hit second Wednesday, followed by Lucas DudaTravis d’Arnaud hitting clean-up and Eric Campbell batting fifth, as David Wright (neck, shoulder) and Daniel Murphy (calf) continue to rest due to injury.

“Did you look at the whole lineup?” Terry Collins asked reporters, when questioned about d’Arnaud hitting fourth (WSJ, Aug. 27). “Did I have a lot of options?”


miniMCavatarMatthew Cerrone: Nice quote, Terry. Nicely done, but this seems to happen every August and September. All of a sudden, I look up and Triple-A Las Vegas ends up relocating to Citi Field. Every. Year. Over and over and over again… When does it end? When will there be more viable options? Will we ever get to watch a complete 25-man roster, full of big-league players for an entire season?



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131 comments
Eamon Carty
Eamon Carty

So basically Collins insulted every one on that lineup card with that comment. No?

To me it sounds like he's trying to cover his ass and blame it on them. like their not major league ball players.

Their u go terry none of these guys want to play for u just like mr Carlos Delgado didn't want to play for randolf.

Diffrent management diffrent results. This mets team is good. But their trying to get a point across. They won't play Untill their is a manager they can respect.

qualcomm
qualcomm

I guess it depends on how long we all live. I expect if I make it into my 80's I might see one at some point.

Jack Fitzpatrick
Jack Fitzpatrick

The Mets, through the years, have had some very poor managers, but it will be a long, long time before they find one worse than Collins. They will probably do it, though.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

Matt why did it take Terry Collins to say it for you to realize this? Its late August. You mean to tell us you didn't realize until the season is nearly over that the team may not be that great? Terry Collins criticized the Mets so you must have felt safe to criticize them as well? Wake up dude. If you used this blog to its full potential maybe you could help the Mets get out of this situation rather than just blindly going along with whatever the Wilpons want, except for the occasional, and I mean occasional, tepid criticism 

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

I think that the most astonishing statistic I have seen in a long while was the one you posted in the Winning Mindset piece. It is absolutely embarrassing that the Mets are the first team since the 1970-1975 Expos to have six (6) straight 70-79 win seasons. The Expos, with the exception of the strike shortened year, were a pitiful franchise, so when you're being compared to them statistically, it's usually not a good thing, as is the case here. We have seen some really bad teams come along since 1975. The Rays were horrific until they dropped the "Devil." The Royals have been ridiculously bad the past decade, so have the Pirates. I'm sure there are others I am missing, such as the Padres, but not a single one of them reached the depths of losing that the Mets have. It seems that since the last late season collapse, the Mets have perfected the art of being a bad baseball team. The NY Jets have managed to win a total of TWO AFC East division titles since the 1970 AFL/NFL Merger. Yes, TWO! Yet, they are a more respected professional sports franchise than the NY Mets. It is absolutely sickening to watch this year after year. Here we go again, another September of meaningless games that serve as nothing more than a 15 man tryout for the following year. So, to answer your question, NO, we will not see a 25-man roster of major league caliber players late in the season wearing a Mets uniform anytime soon.

As all of the rest of my fellow fans, I heard how Sandy Alderson ("SA") will come here & produce a winner on a limited budget. I heard how it was a 3 year rebuilding project where in year 4 - 2014 - the Mets would put together a winning team & contend for hardware. When the clock ran out, we were force-fed the whole, "But Matt Harvey got injured" BS. Again, just wait until next year when he comes back. ENOUGH!!! I watched the Florida/Miami Marlins put themselves in far worse financial hardship than the Mets could ever dream of by signing every available free agent to ridiculous contracts a few years ago. However, I saw them unload those contracts & get decent players in return & they now have themselves in a position of contending far ahead of the Mets, much sooner than the Mets. There are fans out there crying about how spending big money on free agents does nothing but hurt your franchise. Well, whiners, ask Dodger fans how that philosophy is working for them. I have seen the Yankees age faster than Ben Button & lose 4/5 of their starting rotation, yet they are competing for a WC spot because their GM went out & added players to their team. Finally, back to the Marlins, I saw them lose their stud starting pitcher; a pitcher that may just be better than Matt Harvey (the stats say so), yet they aren't being told, "wait until next year," by their management because they actually went out & got MLB-caliber players to play on their team.

Here we are, as the NY Mets, and we are once again ending our season by holding an organization-wide "hope for next year" tryout. The purpose of this is for SA to find a reason why he won't have to spend money in the offseason. I am excited about our starting pitching, but we don't have a single hitter on this team. Talk Lucas Duda all you want. Game 162, winner goes to the playoffs, bases loaded, 2 out, bottom of the 9th, Mets down 1, Duda at the plate, what happens? The opposing manager brings in a lefty & Duda goes down swinging at 3 sliders in the other batters box. This team has no hitting & it doesn't matter how good your pitching is if you can't score more than 3 runs in a game. When a guy throws a quality start, he's supposed to win. How many quality starts have our guys thrown only to get the loss? More than I can count without a pen & paper. Finally, this whole Matt Harvey injury BS? Give. Me. A. Break. All it shows is that our GM has failed to put together a roster with depth that can survive an injury. Injuries happen, and it is the job of the GM to put together a roster that can survive them. SA has failed miserably there. All you guys drinking the Kool Aid can hate Omar Minaya all you want. I'll agree that he made some bad signings. However, he had us a game away from the WS in 2006. SA hasn't gotten us to break 79 wins in his 4 years. Additionally, the guys who he is filling the roster with, the guys who are keeping us from being a 100-loss team, are ALL guys that Minaya signed and/or drafted. Does SA deserve an extension? Absolutely not. He deserves to be shown the door quick enough that it hits his a$$ on the way out. We've been fed lies & bull crap for years now & I'm just tired of it. I don't believe for a second that he is going to add a single meaningful player this offseason & we will continue to hear about run differential as we extend our 70-79 wins streak to 7 years. Welcome to the epitome of losing & it has only begun.

Tom Downing
Tom Downing

More like Terry Collins has lack of BRAINS.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

How long are the Mets going to continue to play with 4 unavailable players (2 position 2 pitchers) on the bench? Are they going to play with a 21 man roster for a week till rosters expand?

Mau Agudelo
Mau Agudelo

And yet every year u still think the mets have a chance at the playoffs?

Kyle Fischer
Kyle Fischer

Wright is playing awful - we're probably better with Campbell in the lineup.

gregf
gregf

It's really not that bad of a lineup ... Wright, though I am sad to say it, has been nearly an automatic out and Flores looked very nice at second base last night ... Lagares, who is always fun to watch in CF, actually turned on a couple of balls last night and maybe is starting to show some offensive maturity ...


Yeah, I'm a longtime Mets fan with never-say-die optimism ...

lindro88
lindro88

Final time I'll post this. In years past we had nothing to remotely look forward to, nor had anything good come from a losing season. This year we found out that Familia, deGrom, Wheeler, Mejia, Duda, d'Arnaud and Lagares are legitimate major league players. We get our ace back next year, and god willing our owner finds it in himself to go get us left fielder and a SS. We can trade a pitcher for one and spend some $ for the other. The last 5 yrs we didn't have a pen full of quality young arms. We really had nothing. So while the results are similar, the future is brighter. Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that should put the Mets in the past

Michael Paulsen
Michael Paulsen

Hey, people still go to the games, so I think the losing sits well with the fans.

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

What we accomplished so far this year, we got 2 Steller Starters and 2 Reliable relivers, an everyday, first baseman, center fielder and catcher! It's hard playing in NY we need denDecker and Flores to start hitting, we have all seen what happened once Lagares,Duda and d'Arnud have accomplished once they got going, We need Wright to stay healthy, i hate to be the first to tell you but he's rin out of roids!! Grandy has got to stop striking out. We need to play deDecker and Flores everyday or get rid of them! Once we get Harvey and Parnell back, we need a manager, Howabout Jimmy Leyland if you can deal with tje smoke!

David Giwner
David Giwner

F TC!!! I want him gone after this season.

lindro88
lindro88

Matt, hate to break it to you but triple A players are on every team this time of year. The difference is they are usually on the team to spark them, not just fill roster spots

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

It makes me laugh.....

"5 months of winning doesn't make me forget the 5 years of losing before that" - Giancarlo Stanton

Do you REALLY think if the Mets give up 'you-name-the-4-players' to the Marlins for Stanton that he'd be anything more than a rental?  If he's willing to leave the team he's played with since a rookie for them not spending and trying to win first and foremost, why do any of you think he's going to get traded here and STAY???  Ostensibly, most of you will have gotten rid of 4 very viable players for a rental....and a comp pick.  Brilliant.

lindro88
lindro88

This nonsense about the commissioner stepping in needs to stop. I hate that our owners have no money, but unless Fred pulls a Sterling, they have no reason to force him out.

BerryBeltran
BerryBeltran

To me..there should be some type of evidence in improvement after 4 years..however, this team may manage the worst record and collection of offense in the four years Sandy has been here.


I think Terry making his comment is an indirect knock to the owners and Sandy..and if it is..good for him

KenBohner
KenBohner

@metspolice just wishing for one august when I keep my mets gear out and not switch to football

hankypanky
hankypanky

Okay, whiners. Let's start the ball rolling, shall we? How about trading Wright and two lousy pitchers for Stanton? That should get your juices going!

RealHVargas
RealHVargas

@metspolice I mean there’re scared of Wally.. At some point they have to do something to improve this team.

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

@Mau Agudelo People forget Cerrone is a fan first.  He tries to act like he's a journalist but he isn't.  Not a slight at Cerrone, but he is filling a role he was never meant to fill.  He started this blog from a fan's perspective.  I know I have been overly optimistic and overly pessimistic at times with this team because I grew up loving them as did Cerrone.  His articles contradict each other all the time as our points of views do the same.  It's because we are fans and fans get emotional.  And when you become emotional, you lose perspective

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

A couple hits in back to back games isn't a sign of offensive maturity. When he does it over a few weeks or a month, then I'll start agreeing with you. Up to this point right now, he hasn't shown me enough offense to justify a starting gig next year. We need offense somewhere & if that means finding it in another CF, forcing the Mets to sacrifice his glove for some runs, then so be it. I hope it doesn't come to that, I am a firm believer in strong defense up the middle when you're built on strong power pitching, but we need offense somewhere & he just isn't bringing it.

jjgjr41
jjgjr41

@gregf How many times have they gotten more than 5 hits in a game since the all-star break?  That is not a good lineup by any stretch of the imagination.  

shinjoooo
shinjoooo

I'm afraid deGrom and Wheeler are a couple innings away from needing surgery...Ike Davis was a legitimate big leaguer once too, so, I'm sorry if I don't trust Duda. Our ace will defy all odds if he comes back to what he was within the next 2 years. The near future is not bright, in my opinion..maybe 2 or 3 years from now...when the Wilpons are gone (hopefully).

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@lindro88 I just feel like Charlie Brown to the Mets org's Lucy.  Every time I THINK to give them the benefit of the doubt some unplanned for thing causes them to pull the ball away....and I end up on my back looking up at the rest of the division in the beginning of August.  "

lindro88
lindro88

People at these games are looking to enjoy a night out. Nothing wrong with that. To fill that place 4 nights a week they have to win.

lindro88
lindro88

All sounds good, but I'd forget about MDD and Flores as every day players. Flores is never going to play ahead of Wright or Murphy regardless of how they play

matmil
matmil

Your right their chance was when Madoff was first arrested. They might have been able to claim collusion by the Wilpons or that they knew he was a fraud. Which they probably did.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@lindro88 The problem is Selig set the precedent when he told that bold face lie that forcing McCort out was in the best interest of MLB.  He forced him out A. because he and his good ol' boy network of owners plain ol' didn't like McCort, and B. McCort openly borrowing from Peter to pay Paul was an embarrassment.  

John Connolly
John Connolly

@lindro88  can you believe he forced dodgers owners to sell cause of a divorce they did now look at the dodgers these mets owners are connected cause they pushed for selig hire back then

mets74
mets74

@BerryBeltran Yeah, I don't understand why TC is getting bashed for that comment. It's the truth, right?

metspolice
metspolice

.@RealHVargas they just have to stay plausible to keep the commish away while they build. If they accidentally win well that’s cool.

Frank Tangorra
Frank Tangorra

Sorry to break it to you but the Wilpons are here to stay. They are part of ownership of that Willets Point project. Do you know what revenue that is going to bring them? Millions if not Billions. I hate them as much as the next fan.

1harris1
1harris1

Depends on what happens with Murphy. I'm not convinced he's here for the long term.

cj1786
cj1786

@matmil So the MLB would be able to prove all that when the bankruptcy court found no evidence of it? 

lindro88
lindro88

Maybe, but that ship has sailed.

lindro88
lindro88

Totally different situations. The Mets owners are not in any danger of being forced out. If anyone is holding out hope of that scenario they are truly wasting time.

matmil
matmil

The MLB doesn't have to prove anything. They can act in the best interests of the game. It doesn't have to be criminal.

lindro88
lindro88

Give it up. It's not hurting the game if the Mets spend 80m dollars and win 74 games.

matmil
matmil

Yeah but it's killing me.