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Terry Collins had a rough day Sunday

In the seventh inning Sunday, Terry Collins chose to keep Vic Black pitching to face left-handed hitting Chase Utley, instead of using LHP Josh Edgin.

Utley then delivered a two-out, two-run triple.

Collins later explained he wanted to get a full inning out of Black since Jeurys Familia was unavailable after facing five batters the day before. However, after Utley’s hit, Collins removed Black for Edgin, who struck out Ryan Howard to end the inning. Edgin stayed in the game and struck out the side in the eighth inning.

Later, in the ninth inning, after Marlon Byrd singled and stole second base, Collins had Jenrry Mejia intentionally walk Utley ahead of Howard, who then delivered a game-winning RBI single.

“I wanted to finish, but I’m not the manager,” Mejia later told reporters. “I just pitch and have to do whatever the manager wants me to do.”

Collins said he wanted Mejia facing Howard, who had been struggling at the plate, as opposed to Utley, who he characterized as the best hitter on their team.

Collins is one of many managers on the hot seat, according to columnist Ken Rosenthal (Fox Sports, August 10).




82 comments
Robbie Heilberg
Robbie Heilberg

worst in-game manager in the league! offer the job to jeter if he wants it at end of season, would make a fantastic skipper

Jack Fitzpatrick
Jack Fitzpatrick

Terry Collins has a rough day EVERY day. The trouble is he is too dumb to know it.

Jeffrey Miller
Jeffrey Miller

Rough day? ROUGH YEAR!?! I think he can be an asset to METSies and their youngsters but, not in the managers role, please ,let's get some "fire in the gut, we play like it's the 10th inning every day" skipper in there for 2015, whether the attitude luoly like Wally or Tims effective nature, there has got to be better! Way to many bad moves, lineup weirdness, pitch staff usage questions every month this season...

billg
billg

Can anyone explain why Edgin would not be left in to face Cody Asche, a lefty hitter? Edgin had struck out all 4 batters he faced including 3 lefties. There's nothing in the rule book that says the CLOSER has to start the 9th inning. Mejia still would have gotten the precious SAVE if he came in to retire the last 2 batters. Instead, Mejia gives up a leadoff double to a batter Edgin probably would have gotten out. They would have won that game if Asche made out. Do we manage to win games, or to stroke the egos of CLOSERS?

mets41
mets41

they haven't fired him yet

gotbeliev
gotbeliev

im really confused last week I read on a mets website that Collins plays mix and match too much and needs to start trusting his relievers to face the opposite side more so that's what he did I think black is a top notch reliever that throws 98 he should be able to get Utley there so one week we kill him for that this week he sticks with the guy we still kill him he isent a great manager but blaming him for a sucky team is stupid 

zingzangzo
zingzangzo

Would've like to see Mejia finish pitching to Utley. Edgin would've, could've finished that earlier inning yesterday in Black relief!

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

Familia can't pitch to another few batters in back-to-back games? that's not Collins' fault. That's a weak player limiting his options. Mejia fails to keep the winning run off the bases. That's not Collins' fault. That's a pitcher who didn't get the job done. Pitching staff can't hold a lead. Can't blame Collins.


No matter what you think of Collins, this game doesn't hang on him. Others have, but not this one. Look, a good relief pitcher needs to be able to put out the fire, when called upon. Familia should have been available. Sorry, grew up watching Tug McGraw and Sparky Lyle back up the started for 100+ innings/ yr.


Blame the manager when he has a full arsenal and doesn't use it well. But don't blame him when a weak arsenal is affecting his decisions. Collins has yet to manage a talented Mets team, let's be fair. Like all managers, he's made head scratching decisions and lost his share of bets. He's not the best  out there, by far. John McGraw with Miller Huggins as his bench coach couldn't make this a .500 team.

chasesimms
chasesimms

 "Collins is one of many managers on the hot seat, according to columnist Ken Rosenthal."

I wish I could believe that.  

jsecurity
jsecurity

Is anyone in this organization held accountable?

Blanca Recinos
Blanca Recinos

Terry cost the Mets 8 to 10 wins this without question. He has never won anything at any level.

metsjetsdu
metsjetsdu

TC has so many of these bad games every year. They are just not magnified because people give him the excuse of the roster not being the most talented. This would never fly on a real contender . You can't have your manager cost you 5-7 games a year ( which may even be underestimating ) . TC is bad. 

Max Denby
Max Denby

Almost every big move Terry makes is wrong. Yesterday he cost us the game. Walking Chase w two strikes was crazy.

truth77
truth77

You cant keep putting guys in for one game and sitting them for 3 expecting them to hit You cant keep putting in wrong match ups  every day and get it done..When guys like Lyle,Rivera,Smith came into the game it usually ending up with you saying game over .Any one that has ever played baseball knows the advantage a lefty Pitcher has against lefty hitting ,I would give this guy the benefit of the doubt but he has been doing the same since he has been here.10 years of rebuilding same Team ,same crappy management.Teams like Yankees St louis make the playoffs or compete every Year , they do not make excuses ,they go out and get it done.

theglider
theglider

Utley was the tying run in that situation. He had two home runs in eight at bats against Edgin. Did we really want that match up?

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

Did someone ask him why he didn't put Tejeda in for defense?

gregf
gregf

I have no reason to personally dislike Collins, and in fact I have a neighbor here in Vero Beach whose husband was a close friend of his when he was in the Angels organization ... she tells me Terry and his wife are great people ... that's nice ... but I've been watching Mets since the end of the Stengel era, and Collins is not a standout ... not even in the second tier as far as I am concerned ... yesterday's game was classic poor

job of managing, although it might have been different if Wheeler threw 7 innings instead of 6 ... 


Time's up for Terry, imho ... I'm not a big Backman fan, but I have no reason to be in a camp that believes he couldn't get it done ... so given the organization as it stands now, bring on Wally ... 

Joseph DeFazio
Joseph DeFazio

Terry has to go. If he stays, it shows what we already know, management doesn't care about winning. This guy is so sub-par, it's beyond ridiculous.  

theglider
theglider

I didn't see the game and won't see it today but I'm wondering; if he brings in Edgin you complain that he's using too many pitchers. If he doesn't bring in Edgin you complain that he didn't bring him in.

You complain about burning out the bullpen but complain when he uses one pitcher.

Which is it?

Patrick Michael Hogan
Patrick Michael Hogan

He may not be the problem ( lord knows the mets have many) but he's no help either.

Daniel Diffin
Daniel Diffin

This should be Terry's last season as manager. Bring in Backman.

Ray Carattini
Ray Carattini

What happened yesterday was vintage Terry Collins. This is what we get. I've said it over and over again, he manages against himself, and half the time he manages scared. Terrible in-game manager. From sitting your hottest hitters to burning out the bullpen and misusing them in different situations, Terry is just Terry. This is who he is. If we plan on getting better we'd better start thinking about getting him outta there.

Whiskey Sam McGee
Whiskey Sam McGee

The excuse of not having good players has never absolved Collins of being a lousy manager.  He doesn't win with good players either.  His entire career is one of his teams underachieving then improving after he's canned.

1harris1
1harris1

Rough day?  Been a rough 4 years for Terry.

Michael Jacoutot
Michael Jacoutot

There is death in the middle.. you either have to play to win today or rebuild for the future.  The Mets are making moves like they are one foot in this year's playoff race and one foot in next year.  

metsjetsdu
metsjetsdu

@rstpigeon Terry is that you ?? simple minded people don't understand that he costs this team games. You will never find him as manager of a good team because any GM worth his contract knows that TC is not good. We have a perfectly capable bull pen that he manages horribly. He also has a tough time with playing the infield in or back in certain situations. Managers should have a positive impact, not negative. It's sickening to hear people defend him like he is good. I am not blaming him for the team not being great, but in a year when we are good we can't have our manager cost us 5-7 games. If Harvey doesn't get hurt last year, Collins wouldn't be here right now. He will most likely be gone after this year. If he is not, that just tells me Sandy thinks this team isn't going to be ready to win. I don't think that will be the case and unless they do something super miraculous this year, TC's days as manager are done. It's ok to say its not all his fault, but please do not pass him off as anything but the very bottom of the league managerial wise. 

chasesimms
chasesimms

@rstpigeon I hear you, and believe me, not for a second do I believe that any manager on the planet would have won or would be winning with the roster Alderson has provided.


However, Terry has proven to be someone who does not possess the qualities needed to be good at this job.  I want to see the Mets roster improve dramatically AND see a new manager in place.  It doesn't have to be one or the other. 

gregf
gregf

@theglider I think Edgin was a different pitcher when those homers were hit ... he's lights out now and showed it ... 

theglider
theglider

Flores' defense is as good. Ask anyone on here.

Mark Kohn
Mark Kohn

@theglider The problem is Edgin got 4 K's, so obviously he should of been in to face Utley so he could get 5 Ks.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@Michael Jacoutot  To me, everything they've done seems to be about next year. I haven't seen them do anything that makes it look like they're in a pennant race.

theglider
theglider

Utley hit a grand slam against him ten days ago.

theglider
theglider

Edgin had given up two home runs to Utley before while Black had gotten him out. I understand either pitcher facing him.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@Huell Babineaux @Pete Brilvitch @Michael Jacoutot  According to deGrom, he first felt soreness after his last start. He's missing his next start so I don't buy that argument. Mejia is tougher to defend, but I don't know enough about his injury to comment one way or another. I would definitely have problems with management if Mejia continues to pitch from this point.

theglider
theglider

We had a short bullpen. People on here complain about using too many pitchers. Now the complaint is we didn't use enough?