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Terry Collins defends 0-3 start

The Mets are 0-3 for the fifth time in team history (1962, 1963, 1964, 2005, 2014).

They lost Monday, Wednesday and Thursday to the start the season to the Nationals, who are an odds-on-favorite to make the World Series this season.

“We’re a lot better team defensively, we’re a lot better team offensively than we’re seeing right now,” Terry Collins said after his team’s most recent loss. “It’s three days. It certainly leaves a sour taste in your mouth when you start out the season like this. But I can tell you a few teams that ended up being pretty good that got off to slow starts.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

I don’t disagree, but you are what your record says you are, Terry. Simply put, if you’re better, be better. Again, as I wrote Thursday on MetsBlog, there is going to be little room for error given the competition the next few weeks. It’s going to be a grind.

The first base situation will stabilize, the bullpen will be at least a little better, guys will eventually get promoted from Triple-A and not every team they face will be favorites to win the World Series. That said, April is not going to be easy, no matter how much better Terry gets his guys to play. It’s going to be a rough start, but I’m OK with that knowing what the rest of the season can have in store.




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Michael McDermott
Michael McDermott

The 1B situation will stabilize??? Only if you consider utter futility as stable -- then yes, you are correct Cerrone. Saying the bullpen will be better is not a stretch -- hell, if they start letting fans pitch, the bullpen will probably be better. I know a couple of little leaguers who can at least throw a strike once in a while. And sure, Syndergaard/Montero will get promoted -- after the Mets are 15-20 games out... just in time to make a stretch run for 4th place in the division! They said they wanted to be "competitive" -- which is not a lie -- they just never said 4th place is what they were competing for.

Lori Ingrati
Lori Ingrati

The Mets suck.  Been a fan all my life always hoping for a competitive season.  I'm so disgusted with the owners who not only know nothing about baseball but are too cheap to delve into their pockets and purchase good players.  Same script being played every year.  They are delusional if they think their team will win 90 games.  We MUST clean up house!  The owners MUST sell this team!  I hope NO ONE attends another Mets game until changes are made.  Their uniform is a joke as well.  Stupid Mr. Met on their Hat?  Really?  Totally unprofessional!  Change the Mets uniform to black and blue,the logo re written like the Boston Redsox and get rid of the pin stripes.  And, eliminate the orange completely!  

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

The Mets brand is starting to fade and Baseball should intervene as this is a large market team and critical to the sport.  To allow owners who care less about the product they put out on the field is outright egregious.  Not only should Baseball take a hard look at this franchise but so should MLBPA. 

Brandon Andersen
Brandon Andersen

So what happens in 2015 when we still lose even with Harvey, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Niese, Gee/Montero/Matz? You know our bullpen will still be a laughingstock and you know we won't spend a dime on any offense. 


I think even the most optimistic Mets fans jump ship after 2015 proves to be no different. If the Mets are not making at worst very good progress and start winning and competing for division titles, I'm finished with them.

Brandon Andersen
Brandon Andersen

Man I'm sick of this. Not only do the Mets suck...again...but 2006 is almost TEN YEARS AGO! It's looking more and more like 2000 and 2006 are the only two seasons the Mets will ever have been taken seriously and actually competed in my entire life. I'm 24. Two years in my life the Mets were legitimately good.


Not only is the team seemingly cursed, but the coaches don't care. We need Wally Backman as our manager. I'm sick of the "Well, one game at a time" BS. This is New York. This is a win now what have you done for me lately town. We like straight shooters. If the team sucks then say that. There's nothing wrong with saying "There is no excuse we were pathetic out there last night...pathetic". That sounds better than the typical "Well you know we just go out there and try to win". 


Why don't we spend money? Why don't we fire bad coaches? Why don't we boycott the owner? We as Mets fans need to say "This is not acceptable and you won't get our money until you earn it". This team is worse than pathetic.

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**EXCERPT FROM AN ARTICLE ABOUT THOR... PLEASE NOTE THE LAST SENTENCE/QUOTE BY WHEELER!!!- HE KNOWS WINNING IS NOT A PRIORITY, AS DOES THIS ENTIRE ROSTER!!!!** 

Why trade two to three months of his rookie season for another year of low-cost team control? So he waited, languishing at Triple-A Las Vegas.

By June, the days became longer. The deadline to avoid becoming a Super-2 player — an unsettled line that allows rookies with the top 22 percent of service time to earn arbitration a year early — had nearly past. He knew he would be called up soon, but he did not know the exact day and that made it harder.

"I came to understand," Wheeler said. "But as a player you want to help the team win and I know there’s a business side of baseball, but sometimes you gotta overlook that. If you really want the team to win, you gotta do what you gotta do. 

Steve Sanpietro
Steve Sanpietro

Let me add this too, while we're here... there is nothing, literally nothing, more ruinous to a MLB team's season than a bad bullpen, both from a statistical and morale standpoint, the latter one being basically scientifically proven. (It is more demoralizing for a team to have victory taken from them than it is uplifting to come back and be victorious). A team can go far with a number of deficiencies, mask them, band-aid them, and be a competitive team. A consistently awful bullpen is not one of them. And the Mets have had one for years now, and will again this year.

Brendan Finn
Brendan Finn

"we're a lot better team defensively" 

Jokes from this grammar:

I would be defensive also, Terry. 

You're right Terry, saying this team can win 90 games is a lot more difficult than saying "we're a winning ballclub"

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

Terry should not be allowed to talk ever. Since Omar left,he's the new village idiot. Just add a microphone and wind him up.

Steve Sanpietro
Steve Sanpietro

The problem is, it's not "just 3 games". Nothing that went wrong in those 3 games is any sort of surprise. (Perhaps Chris Young being hurt. I would not count Parnell getting hurt as a surprise. He was coming off a major surgery) It's a confirmation of a failed off-season, and indicator that they are punting this season, and have been since the day Harvey got TJ surgery. It's not about competition this year, as they sold the fan base for 3 years, it's another year of development. Finding out "what he has" with Davis, or Duda, or Tejada or even Legares, and the young guys in the bullpen, integrating the young pitchers at their "future finances first" pace, and making cost conscientious signings to plug holes with washed up, hope to hit a Marlon Byrd type players.  

There were 4 players the FO could have pursued that basically would be upgrades to what they ran out there opening series that really didn't cost much more than money. (draft picks, sure, but he was supposedly willing to part with anything past the 1st). Do they have the money? Who knows. We haven't received a straight, truthful answer concerning the teams finances since December 11th 2008, and since they are so close with the Commissioner's office, we likely will never get a truthful answer, even in the face of known debt burdens that prove they are bankrupt.

If you had jettisoned, in any way you could, Davis, Duda, Tejada (they are symbols of failure... the light is not going to suddenly come on. It was time for them to move) and (as they tried to) Farnesworth and replaced them with Kendry Morales or Jose Abreu, Stephen Drew and guys like Axford and Jesse Crain for the bullpen, how much better does this team look? How much more, with that very solid starting rotation, does this team look like it's trying to do both futures bridge building and stepping up as competitive?

Instead we have 3 1b on the roster, all of which are arguably even major league roster worthy players, the same SS who plays like he's scared of his shadow (a Costanza delicate genius), and a bullpen that is going to, somehow, almost defying belief, be worse than last year. And if you're relying on the infusion of those great arms into that pen in May as a salve, well, guess what? We have no way of knowing if they'll be any good as relievers. So saying any of those situations are going to work themselves out, well, we never should have been in them in the first place.

Are they going to lose every game? No. Of course not. But these 3 games are far more symbolic than just being the first 3 games of the season, don't panic games. 

Adjust the expectations, Mets fans, even though we were told, right through Spring Training, that this was a year to expect a competitive team. The goal posts have moved yet again. It's another year of hope and development, unless you're changing out 5-7 players on the roster. And that could have been avoided, even in just the perception of team, with moves that weren't bank breakers. 

And don't even get me started on the manager, and double switching his back up catcher and last player on bench as a defensive replacement in an extra inning game when that spot wasn't due up for 6 spots in the bottom half. It's complete tactical idiocy.What if Recker breaks his finger on a foul tip on first pitch after he comes in? Oops.  You have no catcher. Dummy.

Jim Zerillo
Jim Zerillo

It must be hard to manage starters and make offensive decisions with effectively a load of kindling soaked with gasoline currently residing in the bullpen.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

All we hear from Collins is Blah Blah Blah. If the team is better offensively then what we are seeing now, Who is going to ignite the spark and get this team going?

Mitch Petanick
Mitch Petanick

I don't find anything promising about the notion of a team potentially being 10+ games back at the end of April. There is nothing that says the first base position will stabilize unless one of these guys grow a pair and take the bull by the horns. The bullpen might improve if they bring Montero and deGrom up - but that is no guarantee. It's not the three losses that concern me it's the way they lost. The offense has been on the streaky side of bad, the starting pitching (this teams strength) has been average at best, and the bullpen is as bad as it looked. The good news is it's only the third game of the season and plenty of time to turn it around...the question is are they good enough to do it.

Aurora Snow
Aurora Snow

If the Mets tried an experiment and had a night where all tickets in the entire stadium were free, could they 'sell out' that stadium? I honestly and seriously wonder.

helloboy
helloboy

BULL PEN SUCKS.  The Mets will not sniff 500 again all year.  They will be lucky to not be 1-5 by next week.  Actually, I expect it.  This team is terrible.  This is what happens when you make no attempt at strengthening the pen, no attempt at fixing first and short and you expect difference.  The longer you allow issues to stick out the more likely they become worse.  


Season=over. 


team will have fallen behind the Marlins by year's end...Harvey will not save you.  

Jamie Peluso
Jamie Peluso

This team is so bad.Anyone who follows this team will lose iterest by the end of June when we are 15 games out.

Aurora Snow
Aurora Snow

I love the 'fan confidence rating'. Literally, more than half of Met fans being polled are confident about the direction of this team. Am I the only one who finds this incredibly disturbing?

Edwin Rodriguez
Edwin Rodriguez

to win 90 games, u have to at least have a couple of guys to hit .300 and above to be the trendsetters( murphy and wright are capable) but w/ tejarable and both youngs leading off their will be hardly be anybody on base for them this why they should have signed choo

openmind6
openmind6

Collins already sounds like a guy so burnt out from trying to spin things into a positive after only three games.

Aurora Snow
Aurora Snow

I don't blame him for selling out. We'd probably all do it if the price is right. It just sucks because this blog used to be an honest place for Met discourse run by a legit fan of the team. Now it's Fox News-esque.

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Cerrone is a sell out propagandist

Aurora Snow
Aurora Snow

Matt Cerrone takes 'pissing on my shoe and telling me it's raining' to a new level, on a daily basis. I hope the Wil ponzi's are paying him well.

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

TC is clueless...how can you say that they are better than what they've shown in the first three games...lol  Dude  go have a beer, get drunk cause this is just the begining of many more losses...lol

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shut up Cerrone (lol)

TheJMan
TheJMan

wasted so much money on Granderson and Young -- any supporters of those signings should be exiled to Expos Island

let's sign low on-base guys.. who K way too much and whose marginal power will be further dampened in our big ball park

Sandy.. you're the best!!!!

“We’re a lot better team defensively, we’re a lot better team offensively than we’re seeing right now,”


Um... no you aren't. No MLB manager is in more denial than Terry Collins. ... and Matt defends it (SMH).

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"The first base situation will stabilize, the bullpen will be at least a little better, guys will eventually get promoted from Triple-A and not every team they face will be favorites to win the World Series. That said, April is not going to be easy, no matter how much better Terry gets his guys to play. It’s going to be a rough start, but I’m OK with that knowing what the rest of the season can have in store."


Someone with a college degree and a basic knowledge of the Mets - explain to me how the first base situation WILL stabilize. Really? Tell me how. Maybe stabilize to sucking regularly...that's about it. 


The bullpen will be at least a little better... lol. Well, pretty tough to get worse isn't it Matt?? Way to set that bar high. 


And what could the rest of the season have in store? Hoping and believing? Are we still praying that Lucas Duda becomes Albert Pujols?


The Mets are a bad baseball team. They have an untalented roster. They have been a bad baseball team. They haven't improved. The results will remain the same, until better talent is here. We've said year after year after year. If you have a beat-up car, and you don't invest new parts and a new engine... it's never going to run smoother. 

Aurora Snow
Aurora Snow

I miss not being a perpetual punchline.

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

Yesterday a real first baseman would have had that ball that went through and opened the flood gates...I dislike Duda and Ike, why not give Flores a chance at first and see what his potential is, why not do this Sandy?

Rob Steven
Rob Steven

@Christopher Masiello Ouch! Comparing anyone to Omar Minaya is really a low blow. Omar truly was the village idiot, unfortunately Terry is heading in that direction...

Brandon Andersen
Brandon Andersen

 No way. Not a chance. The Islanders give away tickets and can't sell out. St. John's basketball tried to give away free tix and can't sell out. The Mets are the same way if they did that.


It's all about the product. If the product sucks and is a loser no one will show. Sure they may get a few thousand more but no one wants to see the Mets.


I'd take it one step further and say that the Mets couldn't sell out if they gave each fan 10 bucks to attend. I'd bet on that.

buddyryan
buddyryan

@helloboy Marlins may surprise this year.  They have a hard throwing talented you staff...they have Stanton and made some upgrades to their lineup.  They could win 80 games this year.  The Mets will be battling the Phillies for last

Aurora Snow
Aurora Snow

@helloboy  Oh, they'll sniff .500 plenty of times. But the stench will be coming from the visitor's dugout.

buddyryan
buddyryan

I voted wrong direction but I don't blame anyone for voting the Mets are going in the right direction.  I can understand the confidence in 2015 with a potential rotation of Harvey, Thor, Wheeler, Niese and Montero.  


imho, you can't assume the rotation will be lights out in 2015.  Harvey will be coming back from injury, Niese is injury prone, Wheeler is still a question mark and Thor and Montero have not yet pitched in the majors.  Maybe the starting staff is a top 5-10 staff maybe not.  The positional players still are awful with the exception of Wright and Grandy...and maybe Lagares....and let's not talk about the bullpen.


Too many holes....I don't have confidence that Sandy will fill the holes....More importantly I have zero confidence that the WIlpons will allow the Front Office to spend on bats

mets1973
mets1973

That is because the Wilpons and their relatives all vote "confident".

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 Its never too late to tell the Wilpons to stick it.  If Cerrone actually had the balls to TURN HEEL on his boss like Stone Cold did with Vince McMahon, I'm pretty sure Cerrone would have earned back the respect of his fellow mets fans, and would have continued and maybe even better success.


But alas, he lacks said balls to do that

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

@Richard Alicea I agree Flores should be at first hes young.. has plenty of time to improve and eventually I think ..will be a 275-15-20 hr guy is the bigs ...as for Ike and Duda they both suck..they have both had plenty of chances.

nymetsrule
nymetsrule

@johnsec125 He was the last true power hitter we had. Can you believe we have gone so many years with zero power?

Aurora Snow
Aurora Snow

@buddyryan  They have an $89 million payroll in 2014, as a team in NY, with almost no offensive threat beyond and overrated David Wright and Grandy who strikes out nine thousand times a season.

Aurora Snow
Aurora Snow

@Eric Cartmenez  They should get better at faking their results then, and make the number zero, just so nobody catches on to their scheme.

Aurora Snow
Aurora Snow

@D  It's easy to say this when it's not your job on the line.

Balonius
Balonius

 @buddyryan  DW is not "over rated", however you are correct about a lack of "offensive threat".


Greg Nichols
Greg Nichols

Calling David wright overrated is wrong. He is the consummate proffesional and has been a model of consistency throughout his career with the exception of 2 injury years.

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@Eric Cartmenez @D  Correct on all counts.  If I was in his spot I would be foaming at the mouth for the opportunity to publicly pull down the skidmarked undies of Jeff Wilpon & Co. and expose them for what they are, and for what they are doing to our beloved Mets