Tejada is Terry’s SS, while trying to get Wilmer ABs (w/ audio)

Wilmer Flores has started three games since being promoted from Triple-A Las Vegas six games ago, yet Terry Collins said before Tuesday’s game that Ruben Tejada is still his primary shortstop.

In the three games he has started, Flores is 2-for-10 with two singles and no RBI.


MLB: New York Mets at Philadelphia Phillies


Collins was asked if he no longer has confidence in Flores, and perhaps that is why he is not giving Flores as much playing time as a 24-year-old infield prospect should get, to which the manager, noticeably bristled,  responded: ”No, no. I didn’t say that. The other kid [Tejada] is playing pretty good. I don’t know what games you’ve been watching, but we’ve been playing pretty good lately.”

Tejada is batting .103 in his last 50 plate appearances. The Mets are 5-5 in their last 10 games.

“You pick and choose your spots,”Collins said, appearing rather frustrated with the line of questioning. “Wilmer came up because Ruben got beaned, so we were concerned about having a backup. So that’s why he’s here. There were no instructions to play him everyday. We’re going to try to get him at-bats. That’s why he’s in there today.”

Lastly, the reporter asked if  there is anything Flores can do to stay in the lineup on a daily basis, to which Collins said, “Nothing. … We’ve got to figure out if he is going to be the shortstop, or if the other guy is going to be the shortstop.”


To hear audio of the exchange between Collins and the reporter, click here:




274 comments
Elz Roche
Elz Roche

Tomfoolery!!!! BTW i dont know whats everyone's beef with Alderson... i think he's done a fantastic job retooling the farm system and he has something in place where once we start winning, we can sustain it for a long long time. Give the man his props... while Terry on the other hand smh

Angela Cole
Angela Cole

Please fire this tool already? Oh, wait, I forgot.  His boss is an even bigger tool. 

EZimerman72
EZimerman72

@somedeeeeepsh wow dude that interview is pathetic. I legit need to hear nothing more. That just told me everythin I need to knw about terry

garystein
garystein

HOW DOES THIS GUY HAVE A JOB??!! "We have to figure out if he is going to be the ss..." well how do you do that by keeping him on the bench and only playing tejada who is batting .103 in last 50 abs?!?!!! It is getting mind-boggling. Really is. All you need is eyes to know tejada sucks and is a backup at best. Shheeeeeeeshsh

qualcomm
qualcomm

"We’ve got to figure out if he is going to be the shortstop, or if the other guy is going to be the shortstop.”  What does that mean?  Clearly something is being forced on Collins, I just don't know what.

openmind6
openmind6

This argument sure sounds a lot like Valdespin last year. How's he doing now?

noraerin14
noraerin14

Terry has a strange obsession with Tejada. Guy has 12 extra base hits and 1 stolen base all year. Hitting .227, no power, no speed. Good glove, not great. He is the epitome of a backup middle infielder. I don't know what Flores is. I don't think he is the answer, but we know Tejada is not. Run Flores out there for the rest of the year. Hell if he gets hot he could be a trade chip. If not, we are no worse off. But the Tejada love from Terry is becoming almost uncomfortable to listen to.

Andrew Ocieczek
Andrew Ocieczek

Tejada has been very good defensively and murphy has been awful thats why tejada starts

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

Maybe the Mets will finally wise up and send Flores to winter ball and have him play LF every day there. He's not a SS, and until when/if they move Murphy off 2nd, there doesn't look to be another spot on the infield for him right now. And he has no trade value anymore since they keep bringing him up and getting him 4 ABs a week and then being surprised he doesn't perform. Might as well try and find a spot for him to show them what he has.

Brett Fox
Brett Fox

How many times are we going to get Flores age wrong on this site?

Ianonicon
Ianonicon

This is just so sad. What does Terry see in Tejada? Mabye drugs are the answer.... YES I SEE IT NOW. TERRY IS ON DRUGS THAT MAKE HIM THINK TEJADA IS A GOD.

theglider
theglider

The bottom line is Tejada has made plays on defense and his OBP is 100 points higher than Flores.

Flores hasnt hit during three different call ups and his fielding has been doubtful.

Play him somewhere else but not at middle infield.

John Merriam
John Merriam

is Terry mental? the way he blabbers on about nonsense can get so frustrating. Every other comment he makes contradicts his previous one. "what games have you been watching?" the ones where Tejada is batting .100. I also saw the games where Flores came up and put together some RBIs before hurting his ankle. That should be enough to give him the go over Ruben at least for a little while. 


And does he even understand his pitching staff? Niese, who has a tendency to get frustrated when poor defense is played behind him, should always start with the best defensive lineup, regardless of opposing pitching. What do you guys think about that?

gangsta
gangsta

Fire that imbecile Collins, he's a hayseed

cj1786
cj1786

What exactly is Terry watching when it comes to Tejada?  Every time Flores is here, and the issue comes up he point to how well Tejada is playing, yet when you look at the numbers, as the post points out, they are dreadful.  He has done nothing to warrant such a stronghold on the SS position.  His slugging % is .281.  Its the lowest among any player in the MLB with at least 250 plate appearances.  And people talk about his OBP all day, hes batting 8th!!! A high OBP does not carry all that much value in an 8th hitter.  Yes its nice to clear the pitchers spot but how much value do you really put on something like that?  Take away his 10 IBBs and his OBP is .320.  So according to Terry Collins, a guy with a line of .226/.320/.281, with 2 HRs and 22 RBI, is basically untouchable at his position.  What am I missing?

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

DIE COLLINS DIE!!!


im more concerned with the Mets winning ANYTHING with Collins as the possible manager of the future going forward, than I am concerned with ANY of our prospects coming up and succeeding....I have more faith that Mejia is going to be the next Mariano, than I have in Terry Collins navigating this team to ANY type of post season success...

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

I'm surprised they didn't find Mr. Q in whatever sandlot baseball game he is playing in & call him for back-up duty.  They obviously don't want Flores to play much. Guess they don't trust him at SS.  BTW, pie boy seems to be doing okay in LA.

Rob DiMartino
Rob DiMartino

I don't know who this Tejada fellow is.  Terry keeps referring to the SS as Theotherguy.  Kinda sounds like the Mets are the new version of "Who's On First".  Dude's on First, Theotherguy is our SS.... Wright?  Third Base :)

Alessandro Fustinoni
Alessandro Fustinoni

Sad isnt it?? Its crazy to me! The best hitting prospect we have is getting screwed like no other rotting up here amd nobody in this stupid organization realizes they are wasting him away. Even for trade purposes! Whos gonna want him after they see how this crappy team and organization has treated Flores???! I feel horrible for him.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@theglider  The Mets aren't realistically going anywhere this season anyway. Why not play Flores at SS for a month to see what his bat is? If he can hit, maybe they can find another position for him. If nothing else, it would certainly improve his market value if he shows some offense. I'm under no delusion that Flores is the SS of the future.

matt greco
matt greco

@theglider it's difficult to hit consistently when you're glued to the bench 6 days a week...

theglider
theglider

They're trying to win now. And so they want some defense. Believe it or not defense up the middle does matter.

There are still two months left. If come September 1 they're out of it then they can experiment. Until then play to win.

theglider
theglider

You may be giving up on the season but I doubt the team has. Why not wait until they are out of it before trying players out?

Alessandro Fustinoni
Alessandro Fustinoni

Oh cmon man! Do you really believe that?? Do you really believe Tejada should be playing every day?? Then you have problems if you think that! How can anyone say that??! I hate comments like that! You guys have NO idea what you are talking about!! Tejada isnt even close to the player Flores is and that is fact. Athletic ability is night and day and hitting is night and day!!

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@Jim Steele @Mr. SERCH  shut the hell up clown, i'll crack ur face open, u don't know me...


and DIE COLLINS DIE is a reference to DIE ROCKY DIE from the old WWF "attitude" days...so don't tell me shyt, twink

qualcomm
qualcomm

@theglider Great, so why not go get a good defensive shortstop?  I don't understand how Tejada is contributing.  He hits like a pitcher and is average on his best days in the field. 

Alessandro Fustinoni
Alessandro Fustinoni

This team cant hit! They need offense. So lets sit our best hitting prospect on the bench for 5-6 days a week while he is up here and when he does play lets bat him 8th pretty much setting him up to fail! He needs to be batting right next to TDA in place of that scrub CY. Who does not see this has no idea! Its common sense

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@theglider I'll believe that if they don't move anyone off the major league roster at the trade deadline. If they move Colon and/or Murphy, I don't want to hear any BS from Terry that they're playing Tejada b/c they're trying to win now.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@theglider  Except that Tejada's defense is nothing special. If it was, I'd agree with you. Tejada may be marginally better, but that's about it.

Alessandro Fustinoni
Alessandro Fustinoni

Tejada isnt even close to the hitter Wilmer is!!! We need offense! This team is anemic! Let him play consistantly and he will prove everyone wrong. Look at TDA hes starting to come around. These kids need to play everyday and then they will shine. We know what he have in Tejada, a scrub who cant hit. A defensive replacement late in games if he's even that!!

theglider
theglider

Flores is hope. That's all. We hope he can hit. We hope he can field.

This is not a time to try things out. Tejada has been fielding well enough and they play better with him in the lineup. Flores has done nothing but leave men on base. And the team has lost each game he's been in during this latest call up.

theglider
theglider

Because they see hitting in AAA and think it matters. Like I've said before they'll criticize Murphy's defense but don't seem to care about defense at short.

theglider
theglider

His OBP is actually .351.

And if his numbers are inflated then why aren't the numbers also inflated for all the other 8th place hitters in the NL?

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Jim Steele @mets2death @cj1786 Tejada is 6th in the league in IBB. If Terry hit him 7th instead of 8th, his OBP would be .300 and his BA and power numbers would still be just as bad.

Greg Baker
Greg Baker

@theglider We hope Flores can hit. We hope he can field. 


We know Tejada can not hit. We know he is at best an average fielder.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@theglider It's not just about batting 8th, it's about batting 8th on the Mets. The Mets have the worst hitting pitching staffs in the league (currently batting .081 as a staff, good for dead last in the NL), and they also have a top of the order that scared no one for most of the year as well. So those two factors combined for Tejada to be 6th in the league in IBB. Mets 8-hitters as a whole lead all MLB 8-hitters in IBB, so it's not just Tejada. It's just a flukey thing that has clearly inflated his numbers this season.

theglider
theglider

No. Hamels was. I'm just saying that Flores has done nothing to help this team.

Rather than people asking why doesn't he play let me ask, why should he play? For what he might do? For the potential?

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Jim Steele @Eddie_Dean @mets2death @cj1786 Not when you factor in the power numbers Flores would provide with a chance to play everyday. Ntm, his OBP would be better anyway if he was given a legitimate look.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Jim Steele @mets2death @cj1786 Actually he doesn't. Flores has only made 3 starts batting 8th. He's made 15 batting 7th.


And not surprisingly, in the 3 games Flores batted 8th, his OBP was .364.

Ray Carattini
Ray Carattini

@theglider  Because you have to see what he has...not just now but long term. is he going to be our SS? Is he going to build up value for a trade? Is he gonna stink it up on the field? We still don't know any of these answers because he doesn't play consistently, we only see small sample sizes and judge him on that.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@theglider I think it's more why Tejada shouldn't play. Personally, I don't think he brings much to the table. His offense is non-existent and his defense is highly over-rated. It's definitely not good enough to make up for his lack of offense. I'd almost rather see anyone else other that Q. Flores is anyone else. I ultimately don't think he can play SS, but I'd like to see what his bat is. I know he hasn't don't much yet, but he hasn't had regular ABs either.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@theglider If you never gave anyone a chance for no other reason then their potential, then Ike Davis would still be the starting first baseman and John Buck would still be here catching. Ntm Jose Valverde would still be the closer.


At some point a guy who has performed at every level of the minors deserves a chance over a veteran who's never shown he's anything more than a good reserve player. I understand why Terry continues to start Tejada b/c of Flores' fielding. But very soon it will be apparent that the Mets are out of any sort of a playoff race. Treading water since the AS break is/was not enough, they need to make a run an they haven't. If they still haven't by the next couple weeks (and possibly sooner if they start selling off pieces from the major league roster), why keep up the delusion that this is a team with any shot at the post season? Why not see what Wilmer is as a major league player with a chance to play every day for 1.5-2 months? Especially when even the majority of the Tejada defenders admit he's not the longterm solution at SS anyway?

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Jim Steele @Eddie_Dean @mets2death @cj1786 I know he has 1 homer less than Tejada in 1/3 of his ABs.


And I don't hate Tejada at all. I just acknowledge he's not an everyday player. Now the ironic thing is I don't even blame Collins for starting him over Flores, but that's only b/c I know Flores is not a legitimate fielding SS. Not b/c I've deluded myself to thinking Tejada is actually a competent hitter.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Jim Steele @Eddie_Dean @mets2death @cj1786 I agree, but not b/c Flores can't hit. It's b/c he can't field the position. He's never been given a legitimate shot to show what he is as a hitter. I still strongly suspect that if he had a chance to play every day, he'd blossom into a much better hitter than Tejada could ever hope to be. And since I also strongly suspect the Mets will be parting ways with Murphy sometime before opening day next year, I'm guessing he's going to get that chance soon enough.