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Tejada-Flores platoon is working, and will continue

Ruben Tejada and Wilmer Flores will continue to alternate at shortstop depending on match-ups and the opposing pitcher, Terry Collins said Wednesday.

In the games played since May 9, when Flores was promoted from Triple-A, he has started 12 games and Tejada has started 14.

In that time, Tejada, 24, is batting .296 with two home runs and eight RBI, while Flores, 22, is batting .260 with one home run and 11 RBI. Together, they have given above-average production for their position in the National League.

Collins appears unconcerned about how this might impact their development and said he did not see himself naming a lone starter anytime soon, according to reporter Tim Rohan >> Read more in the New York Times.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

I’ll admit it, this is working. I can’t believe it’s working, but it is… at least for now. I’m conditioned to think it’s foolish to platoon two guys in their early 20s. Conventional thinking is to be sure both guys, who are still developing, get time playing every day, whether in the big leagues or Triple-A.

That said, what if the Mets don’t see a real future for these guys? What if neither player has any meaningful trade value? In that case, what’s the harm in having them split time? At the very least, they get better production than Stephen Drew would have given them; and maybe a team is tempted in to thinking trading for Tejada or Flores could translate well to their dynamic. Who knows? Again, if it’s isn’t broke, don’t fix it…




46 comments
mike23
mike23

I'd still play Flores at SS every day with days off on occasion of course but we have to see what he can do with consistent at bats, we've seen the best of Tejada and it was decent but time to give Flores the full time duties at SS for the rest of the season.... let Tejada backup at SS/2B. 

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

The last time this team was TRULY competitive for any length of time was during the first 3/4 of the 2012 season.  that team played between 4 and 8 games above .500 until about the middle of July.  That team did so with Ruben Tejada getting most of the ABs in the 1st and 2nd spot in the lineup and racking up 26 2Bs.  Just figured i'd interject some actual facts in between the......well never mind.

dtlmetsfan
dtlmetsfan

Reading Matthew Cerrone makes me want to vomit up stuff I never remember eating. He's a human fig-leaf for the poor ownership, management and coaching that we've had for the last decade. 

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

With an old catcher as a bench coach why is it that our catchers are horrible at fundamentally blocking balls in the dirt? Just watched last nights game and there's no excuse for Recker to have not kept that ball from getting away. Just horrible "fundies". If that had been TDA people on this site would have buried him.

ry110891
ry110891

"Collins appears unconcerned about how this might impact their development"

This is all i need to know about Terry worst manager ever

ry110891
ry110891

When Tejada goes back to hitting his 200 BA ways I dont want to hear anything. He has no power and he wont drive in runs I dont care that he hit a homerun lets be honest everyone gets hot for a week or two doesnt mean he will stay hot next week.

rcmets
rcmets

Did you really just say a team may be interested in trading for Tejada? hahahhahhahahahahahhaha

herblehman
herblehman

It may be working for this particular second, but really, this is idiocy. Any other team would have just released Tejada and went with Flores from the start of the season. At the end of the day, Flores might not necessarily be a whole lot better. But we all know what Tejada can do: marginal offense and average defense. Flores at least has potential, and we have to see what it is. 

noraerin14
noraerin14

Stop Matt. Tejada is not a starting shortstop in the major leagues. He is a utility infielder. He is Alex Cora circa 2014. We need to see what Flores is. We know what Tejada is. A decent fielder with zero speed or power. Need to move on.

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

Ok don't address short stop but we have to upgrade somewhere 1B? Catcher?

Jonas Altman-Kurosaki
Jonas Altman-Kurosaki

He'll name one of them the starter, but then follow it up by giving the other way more playing time

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

I know Tejada has had a nice week at the plate, but I think we all know he's not the long term answer. The Mets need to find out if Flores could potentially be that answer. This SS share makes absolutely no sense.

nwmets
nwmets

It seems that with the Mets, it's always broke, and it always needs fixing. Sigh...

Doubleday
Doubleday

How do you "platoon" two right-handed hitters?  I'd say it's a job share more than a platoon.  As for whether it is "working" or not ... working for whom?  It certainly is not benefiting Wilmer Flores or Reuben Tejada, nor is it helping Daniel Murphy or the line-up at-large.  The only one it seems to benefit is Sandy Alderson, and I'd argue that's not good enough.

David Lacoff
David Lacoff

I meant that he will name one of them the full time starter, not based on matchups!

David Lacoff
David Lacoff

which means look for Terry Collins to name one of them the starter tomorrow!

FLMetsFan973
FLMetsFan973

@metsblog Three home runs, one grand slam from one shortstop & two solo shots from the other. Darn straight it's working.

zoddie
zoddie

@Tarheel11  I was under the impression that TDA was viewed as one of the better defenders in baseball by most people and most advanced stats.  Recker, I'm not sure about.  He's certainly shown a good arm this year, throwing out 50% of base stealers.

ry110891
ry110891

He better be concerned about TDA development too 

zoddie
zoddie

He was a good starting shortstop in both 2011 and 2012.  Not great, not even very good, but a good, average player.  Even with his hot streak, he isn't quite there this year (he's still batting only .228), but right now it ain't broke.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@Zac Tindall They got a catcher prospect in the wings, so I'd stick with SS or 1B (Duda is okay if we had a good SS) and getting another bat in the OF. We are probably stuck with Grandy-man, Lagares still is promising, but need a third. 

zoddie
zoddie

@Zac Tindall  We do have to upgrade somewhere but is it 1b or catcher?


Our best two hitters this year, aside from Abreu, have been Lucas Duda and Eric Campbell.  They are #2 and #3 in OPS, and Duda leads the team in HR and is 2nd in RBI even though he is in a platoon.  He's also making no money and is under team control for a few more years.


D'Arnaud has been terrible at the plate, no doubt.  Terrible.  But some of that is bad luck (his BABIP is around .200).  He was also the top rated catching prospect in all of baseball as recently as 2 months ago.  The team also has Plawecki tearing it up at AA (batting .327, .875 OPS).  So it would be silly to block either of those two guys.


The answer?  I don't know.  Maybe an outfielder?

zoddie
zoddie

@Doubleday I agree that it isn't a "platoon."  The only way it has been working is that both guys have been hitting well lately. If Flores can start hitting like he did in the minors and stay halfway decent in the field, he'll end up getting more time.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@FLMetsFan973 @metsblog Tejeda playing good isn't going to hit home runs. That is just asking for trouble.  Bit of a fluke probably.  The grand slam clinched a 11-2 score. I wouldn't rest "working" on this.

theglider
theglider

Three home runs? Better check your math. It's three combined, not three from one.

zoddie
zoddie

@ry110891  He is, which is why he is still getting most of the starts even though he has been the worst hitting catcher in the league. 

noraerin14
noraerin14

@zoddie  So he is two years removed from being average, and still getting regular playing time. That is not working.

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

So release the youngs or trade them for low level prospects and use the low level prospects with a couple decent prospects and montero and bring in something hell at this point anyone who can hit above 270 in the outfield has to be a plus right?

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@Steven Matregrano  Despite what you think of Flores, Tejada makes even less sense right now.

Richard Davis
Richard Davis

@theglider Ahh, the English professor is on the job again I see.  Punctuation aside, I think most of us knew what he was saying.

zoddie
zoddie

@theglider  His punctuation is confusing, but his math is correct.


Three home runs total: One grand slam from one SS + 2 solo shots from the other.

zoddie
zoddie

 @zoddie  Well, if you want to get technical, he was 7 months removed from being average.  He was terrible in 2013 and bad in April.


He had a good May (.361 OBP with no intentional walks) and is off to a good start in June.


Remember, average players have a LOT of value.  A team full of average players wins 81 games.  Add Matt Harvey, a normal David Wright, and a couple of other starts and 90 games isn't too far off.

zoddie
zoddie

@Steven Matregrano  Abreu and Campbell are certainly small sample sizes, but Duda has the 4th most ABs on the team.


Put another way, Lucas Duda has been the Mets best hitter among guys with 60+ ABs this year.

zoddie
zoddie

@Zac Tindall  I'd also be fine with getting rid of Chris Young at this point.  He's on a one-year deal and was never part of the future.  Sandy was hoping to catch lightning in a bottle like he did with Byrd last year and that Young's year last year was a fluke.


It doesn't look like a fluke.  Maybe give him until the AS break, but then give more ABs to guys under 30 like den Dekker, Lagares, and even Andrew Brown.  If there's a stud OFer available, then make a package with some starters and prospects.

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

Abreu is nice trade bait for an AL team