Noah Syndergaard

Syndergaard will throw around 150 innings, most of them for the Mets

Mets RHP prospect Noah Syndergaard was demoted and sent to minor-league camp Tuesday.

Syndergaard was recently named the league’s third-best, right-handed pitching prospect by Baseball America.

The Mets are expected to keep him in Triple-A until at least June or July, in what is likely an effort to prevent him from earning arbitration eligibility a year early.

The team will reportedly keep Syndergaard around 150 innings pitched this season, which may mean shorter outings in Triple-A so he can go deeper in to games when eventually promoted to the Mets.

“We’re going to be probably one of the best rotations in baseball,” Syndergaard said (NY Post, Mar. 19), talking about himself, Zack Wheeler, Matt Harvey and other teammates. “Those names on that list, who knows where everyone is going to be?”




136 comments
Caleb Herbst
Caleb Herbst

The only reason he's not up yet is Arbitration.

Anthony Viggiano
Anthony Viggiano

Going back pitchers pitched over 300 innings and sometimes both ends of a doubleheader. Definitely completed a game-- winning or losing. These guys are wimps. With all their body building and work in the exercise room they seem to just make themselves more susceptible to injury. And... most teams used a three man rotation too. Or as the Braves used to say "Spahn...Sain and pray for rain..."

donw
donw

Why do we have to wait for July to see Thor or for 2015 to contend?  I'm tired of the Mets penny-pinching every single decision.  The bad contracts are gone, the loan is refinanced, they're done with Madoff.  Why are they still penny-pinching?  What's the point of having all these great young pitchers (Montero, Syndergaard, Mejia) if they're going to pitch in Vegas for 1/2 the year - not because they're not ready or good enough but to play games with the arbitration rules.  It's March 20 and we have no regular SS or first baseman.  Why would anyone buy tickets to see this team in April?

Joe Pece
Joe Pece

Didn't they already send him out??

John Kihlmire
John Kihlmire

The Mets will contend next year..2015 is the start of a great run.

Hector Torres
Hector Torres

And this team talks about 90 wins being a good starting point. Alderson. You have done a great job getting the talent. Just let them play. Innings count does not prevent injuries. It creates injuries and then creates loses.

Zack Tsahalis
Zack Tsahalis

Thank god they got him in the dickey trade cause d'arnaud isn't living up to the hype.

Art Hansen
Art Hansen

Tom Seaver rookie year pitched 251 innings.

James Corsair Jr.
James Corsair Jr.

all planned out by a team that has no intention of contending

Miriam C. Grossman
Miriam C. Grossman

The mets don't want their pitchers to qualify for rookie of the year :(

James Mojica
James Mojica

Look at that face. Nobody is hitting whatever he throws! Advantage Mets!

reichy24
reichy24

@MichaelSalfino however, last year, in the case of TB and Myers, they do; they need to do what they can to win when they have a good team

reichy24
reichy24

@MichaelSalfino in case of mets/thor, no; they're gonna be terrible, might as well save service time.

Brian Descovich
Brian Descovich

The team acknowledges this guy is one of their 5 best starting pitchers.   The team acknowledges that he gives them  the best chance to win.


Yet they choose to bring him up in June to save money.   And EVERYONE, from writers to fans accepts this as a reasonable.     


Is that doing everything they can to win?   Why should I pay full price for tickets if the team is only trying to win for 3/4 of the season?   


The worst part is that it doesn't even make a difference in the long run.    Eventually be it 2016 or 2017 the team will try to sign Noah to a long term deal, BEFORE he gets to arbitration.    How many players even have an arbitration hearing in this day and age?  10 a year?    Stars never make it that far because they get locked up long term.   Bottom line is that 3 years from now theyll have to offer Noah a 6 year deal, whether he comes up in April or July.    It boggles my mind that Sandy doesn't understand that.   

More likely though, is they wait - because attendance is going to suck in April and May regardless.   The super 2 deadline is awful close to when school closes and summer attendance picks up.   They will want the excitement then to bring people to the park.   If you bring Thor up now, it may help the team win, but the excitement will wear off.

chasesimms
chasesimms

“We’re going to be probably one of the best rotations in baseball,” 

Slow down there Thor.  Someone needs to sit down with Blue Lagoon and tell him about Wilson, Izzy and Pulsipher.  

cgifford300
cgifford300

@MichaelSalfino whatever's best for success of team ST and/ or LT is best for the fans. I just think it sucks for the prospects.

John Ramos
John Ramos

Anyone going to opening day that I could tailgate with

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

We got it...We got the pitching. . . .But, where are the hitters we were looking for? . . Still stuck with Davis and Duda and not knowing if they are going help in the offense department. . Anyway, I am still looking forward to the season to begin. . .Lets Go Mets!

Swabbles
Swabbles

Most teams use this tactic to save some cash as well have a player under another year of affordable control.   Its not as though  the Mets created this tactic and its just them holding back its Super 2 eligible players.  And remember that this is part of the most recent CBA, so the players association signed off on this.   

Pretty certain I heard Bobby O say in a recent interview that he didn't feel right now that Syndergaard was ready for the call up.  And yes, I'm aware that he is currently employed by SNY for all of you conspiracy experts out there.


What does worry me is that Las Vegas is a stadium and league NOTORIOUSLY hitter friendly.  Can't have a young pitcher start to lose confidence as he watches balls go over the fence in Vegas that would be a can of corn in Flushing. 


Am I the only one not enamored with Mejia as an MLB starter? 


Side note, I do believe that Wheeler currently is one of the pitchers on track to start opening day if he continues on his current schedule for the remainder of spring training.

Joe Meyer
Joe Meyer

Innings limits are completely ludicrous

slainte2
slainte2

IMHO, PInching pennies and considering super two, etc. is part of the business.


Real time example...


according to article on Amazin Avenue, Mejia is in position to be a super two and eligible for arbitration after this year if he is with team all year.  Mets can avoid super two, avoid arb this year, and push back free agency by a year, if Mejia spends at least 31 days in minors during 2014. 

So what would you do ... start season with Dice K in rotation over Mejia, promote Mejia first week of May, and have control over the player for an extra year?  Or get the extra month of a better more exciting player in April 2014, but head to arb next offseason, and lose a year of control?


One thing i am pretty sure of ... as soon as Matt Harvey and Scott Boras are in position to go free agent, they are not thinking about whether Mets were nice guys re super 2 or not ... they will be out to maximize the contract no matter what.  Its the system, and both Players and Teams play to max out.


John Paul Cullinane
John Paul Cullinane

THIS "TEAM" IS AN ORGANIZATION...A COMPANY!!!

Snickers......a delicious candy bar.  Maybe it's a bit more expensive than other similar options.  However; I'm OK with that, because the quality is excellent and I believe there is value to where my dollar is going.  However; let's say they change the ingredients to inferior ones in an effort to save money..........and the snickers bar now tastes like a log of poo.......would I still buy it?  NO!!!


Can you imagine if the CEO of Mars Candy came out and said, "If you don't buy our poo logs, we can't make them better...so until you start paying for our poo, this is the product you'll receive...it's your own fault."



...........................THIS IS THE METS ORGANIZATIONAL PLAN.  When you think of it from a different point of view, this nonsensical comparison is EXACTLY what they are doing!

tullydew
tullydew

Pinching pennies......the thing the Wilpons do best.

tw22
tw22

There's nothing to be achieved in Las Vegas. He should start the year with the big club.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

This whole Super 2 thing can't be sitting well with a lot of players.  Most players, pitchers in particular, have short careers.  Being unfortunate enough to be the property of a financially distressed laughingstock is hardly an enviable position to be in.  


How many times this spring have we seen a pitcher grab his elbow and race off the mound?  A pitcher's career can end that quickly.  Having your earning potential over the course of a short career manipulating to the advantage of an inept ownership group can only cause hard feelings and may be penny wise but pound foolish.  You would think that the "problem" of having to pay out a hefty salary in arbitration early in a career would be a quality problem to have.  It means the player has exceeded expectations.  


I anticipate seeing this whole Super 2 fiasco being a major bone of contention in the next set of CBA talks.  This nonsense has to stop.  The ill will it spawns is going to come back to bite the teams that pull this stunt to save a buck. 

nolrog
nolrog

If they keep him in the minors for half the season, I find it hard to believe he'll pitch most of those innings with the Mets. 

The bottom line, here, is that if he's ready, they should bring him north.  If he's no ready, they should let him pitch as normal until he is ready.   By doing stupid things (like pitching him 3-4 innings per start) they could wind up making matters worse, not better.

John Schod
John Schod

So 76 innings for the big club....10 meaningless starts with respect to the team's standings.


I don't recall Doc Gooden at 19 being constrains by this BS that is just a way to foolishly save a few bucks!


NOTICE: If you invest in your team and put out a successful product, Mets fans will come in droves = lots of $$$.


Please!!!!!

MichaelSalfino
MichaelSalfino

@reichy24 Good thing you weren't running the 1969 Mets or you would have kept half the pitching staff in the minors. Seaver too.

Swabbles
Swabbles

@Brian Descovich Have I missed it?  I haven't heard a team official say this year that Syndergaard would be one of this years best starters at the beginning of the season.  As I referenced earlier, Ojeda mentioned in an interview that he doesn't see Noah being ready for the big leagues when camp breaks(Montero might be a different story).  


Even still, a young pitcher like him is going to have an innings limit.   So IMO it would only make sense to bring him up later rather then earlier, save the cash and have him under team control for an additional year. 


I would more understand people losing their mind if it were a situation like in Tampa last year, when the waited to call up everyday player Wil Myers.

Jason Martinez
Jason Martinez

I have watched them all pitch and this trio is on another level

72tilltc
72tilltc

@slainte2  Who cares about control? Try to be a good organization and players will want to stay . we control the crap and the good ones leave. They super 2 Travis he now looks horrible what did they gain. Instead we have a bigger question mark at catcher. He seems to even have trouble catching Familias fastball . What a disaster.

nolrog
nolrog

@tullydew They are pretty good at getting ponzied as well.  Most people would have been incredibly careful after it happened once. . . .

vimets
vimets

@John Schod Not a good comparison #1 Thor, Mejia and Montero haven't even come close to putting up the numbers that Gooden put up in the minors, as a matter of fact I can't think of any pitcher that has. #2 the super 2 status didn't exist back in those days.

reichy24
reichy24

@MichaelSalfino yeah, but how big a difference can thor make this year? how big was the difference harvey made?

reichy24
reichy24

@MichaelSalfino the rays were world series contenders with tangible improvement by playing myers; not so with thor or buxton

reichy24
reichy24

@MichaelSalfino i really want to see buxton and thor in the majors, but as a fan of the team i want them to succeed long-term

reichy24
reichy24

@MichaelSalfino i'm a twins fan; i hope they keep buxton down long enough to save a year on the back end

Brian Descovich
Brian Descovich

@Swabbles @Brian Descovich  


Collins said so after his very first bullpen of the season.  


Moreover, there is absolutely no evidence that innings limits on young pitchers reduces their risk of injury.   The so-called Verducci effect has been debunked over and over and over.  (see link to BP at the bottom).


So my argument is this... if you're going to sign a player long-term before he hits arbitration anyway,


And, there's no evidence bringing him up now will get him hurt.


Then why is he going to the minor leagues?   That's 2-3 wins more probably vs what Lannan or Dice-K will give the Mets between April and July. 



http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=19497

72tilltc
72tilltc

@nolrog @tullydew  They were accomplices and made a fortune on the Ponzi only now without 24% interest rates do we see what poor business men they are.

John Schod
John Schod

@vimets As a fan, I do not care about Super 2...I care about putting on the field our best 25 players. Doc was in a class of his own as a young phenom....but are you saying that none of these young pitchers has the moxie or talent to start the season in the bigs.


Unless you are looking for souvenirs and have seats out beyond the fences when Dice-K, Lannan and Farnsworth pitch, we all know what is going to happen.


I know that many have been numbed by all of the psycho-babble and ridiculous promises.


Please see this for what it is.


If the Mets trade Wright at the deadline and Ike or Murph, they may be the first major market team to COLLECT from the luxury tax!

John Schod
John Schod

Wright recently mentioned how the Braves reacted quickly and decisively after Chris Medlen went down and they signed a premier FA shortly thereafter.

You would not use the words quickly or decisively to describe the Mets management.

If you don't think that Wright would waive his no trade clause to sign a bigger contract with a contender, you do not understand reality.

Loyalty works both ways. 2014 was supposed to be our return to prominence. Remember as we watched all of those meaningless games the last few years....and Wright unfortunately had to play in them.

I still remember the picture in the Daily News of Wright and Reyes smoking the cigars and saluting the fans after winning the pennant.

Mets '14 doesn't remind me of The Big Red Machine unless you're talking about the Bud truck behind CitiField!

Noah Conker
Noah Conker

@John Schod  No, that's not feasible. Wright signed a 7 year extension for a reason and it would make no sense for the Mets to trade him either. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about if you think that is actually feasible.

John Schod
John Schod

Wright has stated that he wants to play for a winner and his baseball clock is ticking. If the Mets are awful again this year, which I hope not, is it feasible that he will want to move to a winning organization?

Top teams will line up to get this great player....maybe we can get some top single A prospects!

Noah Conker
Noah Conker

@John Schod @vimets  Your comment started out as the normal kind of crazy you see around here, but the fact you even mentioned a possibility of Wright being traded shows that you know absolutely nothing about the Mets. Even if you weren't serious, that's ridiculously absurd.


If you don't care about the Super 2 deadline that's fine but don't expect the owners to not care about saving their own money. Plus it doesn't seem like the Mets are playoff bound this year. I'd say it's more likely we'll be in a position to make a playoff run in 2020 when Syndergaard would be a free agent. This way he doesn't hit free agency for an extra year, and during that last, extra year of team control we have more payroll flexibility and will ultimately benefit from delaying his call-up by just TWO MONTHS. And this is a guy who hasn't even been in AAA to date on a team with enormous SP depth.