Noah Syndergaard

Syndergaard understands why he’ll soon be sent to Triple-A

Mets RHP prospect Noah Syndergaard is expected to start the season with Triple-A Las Vegas.

He will pitch for the Mets against the Nationals in Viera on Thursday. He will likely be demoted to minor camp at some point next week.

“I know it’s inevitable,” Syndergaard said (NY Post, Mar. 13). “With the finances and everything, I understand it’s a game, but it’s also a business. … But, there are still some things I need to work on.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

It’s obvious Syndergaard will get the call up to Queens at some point this year, after June. The date is unclear, since it isn’t known when the Super Two cutoff is. At some point in May, teams begin to get an estimated date. Syndergaard, like other top prospects being kept down, will probably pop up a week or so after.

Finances aside, I like the idea of letting him get away from camp, letting him take a breath, digest what he experienced and learned, and find a rhythm in Triple-A before being thrust in to the New York spotlight. It worked well with Matt Harvey. It worked well with Zack Wheeler. So, if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it…




38 comments
tw22
tw22

Vegas is a terrible place to pitch. there is no development there. I understand the money aspect, but weighing the pros and cons, and going by performance thus far in the ST he would plug into the rotation behind Wheeler to start the season. We are just wasting pitches here.

Bob Burket
Bob Burket

Thor will be in Queens soon enough. No rush. Mets aren't going anywhere this year with or without him.

ctjoe
ctjoe

It worked well???  Only if the goal was to be completely out of contention for anything by Jun 1.

testiculon
testiculon

Although it's partly about the super 2 thing, there are other factors.  He's on an innings limit and its much easier to deal with that in the minors.  Also, he's not THAT ready.  He could use some AAA time to perfect his secondary pitches.

Coach PBJ
Coach PBJ

I understand he’s a young strong arm however I hate this notion of over preparing. Who knows what the future will hold and who develops and who doesn’t. This business of building for the future usually doesn’t always pan out. I do like what Sandy has done thus far but a perfect example of holding out and nothing coming out of it, Fernando Martinez. We protected this kid for years and years and could have got any player in baseball in return for him but we didn’t do it because he was “untouchable” since we were building for the future. What happens, we cut him and he’s bouncing around from team to team and in essence becomes worth nada. Regardless of injury or who is available the goal should be winning now! This is professional sports and our are fans and a enormous market that pays a ton of money to win now.  Ask the Cardinals. They just develop talent and get these young kids ready and then plug them in regardless of who is hurt. Then we pass up on Peralta and now he’s the starting shortstop for the most consistent franchise in the sport right in the Mets face.  When Jeter, CC, Arod or Texiera get hurt do the Yanks say its ok we’re gonna just have a set up year and we’ll be ready to go next year. No They plug someone else in there and find a way to win. The Braves lose Medlen and boom they have Ervin Sanatana to assure they are loaded and ready to go. ITS RIDICULOUS  that we just sit on our hands and watch everyone else do stuff and we do nothing. THIS IS NEW YORK!!!! Anyway I know I am off topic but again it’s about winning now. We’re a New York Baseball Franchise. Not Pittsburgh, not Houston, not Kansas City. Our priority should be winning now and not sacrificing a year to build for something that is unknown. If this kid is one of our top 5 pitchers then he should be here, no doubt about it. 

What happens if we don’t win next year? Are we gonna start talking about 2016? Build to win NOW!

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

It took the Braves 72 hours to take on an additional $14.1M to fix a problem.  The Mets are worried about Super 2.  If there's ever another work stoppage it will be over an idiotic rule like this that impacts in-season player movement decisions. 


Also, you never want you're players alluding to their team's financial problems publicly.  If this is what players are saying to the media, you can only imagine what they communicate to each other in private.   That's never a good thing.

Brian Safchik
Brian Safchik

This is not JUST about money, it's also about limiting his innings.  Thor won't pitch more than 5 innings in any minor league game this year before he is called up.  You can't pull him after 5 great innings in the majors like you can in the minors.  The goal is to call him up and not have to restrict his innings at the MLB level

Mike DeRosa
Mike DeRosa

In a normal season, I'd be screaming at my radio about how Noah needs to be up in the Bigs. However, with Harvey down (don't even start the, 'but he's coming back this year' comments) and our team basically in a holding period this year, I think it's a good idea to let him stay in the minors for a while. 


And who knows, if the Mets surprise and actually play well, it might make next year look even brighter. Harvey, Wheeler, Syndergaard, maybe even Montero. Yes please.

Ben Fortney
Ben Fortney

Ownership complains that they need "fans in the seats" then willfully forfeits what could be their #1 attraction in order to save a few bucks down the road. 


Matt Harvey electrified the city last year, completely eclipsed the team of retreads across town and made Citi the place to be every 5th day. So instead of trying to keep that momentum going with a 1-2 of Wheeler and Thor throwing heat, they're pinching pennies... again.


I understand the economics of the move, but as usual they say one thing and do another. I'm not one to bash, but this is more bush league maneuvering from ownership. Sadly it's expected.

drmetfan
drmetfan

This is part of the process. Every team does this. Even if the Mets had the money they would still do this. Thor is an exciting youn player but the thruth is he is not yet ready for the bigs. Montero is way ahead of Thor and could start the season with the big club yet he too will be optioned to tripple A. I'm OK with this all the way. No need to rush these guys.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

I agree with Tony Clarke, who is taking a long hard look at the whole Super Two thing. The team is clearly acting in the best financial interests of ownership, not the team and certainly not the fans. Management can sugarcoat it any way they like but it is still a Mickey Mouse move.

sayhey24
sayhey24

It irritates me that the Mets are in a position where they choose saving a few dollars over winning more games. If Noah is able to improve the team now and provide we high paying fans some hope, then the Mets should stick their necks and wallet out for us.

selldamets
selldamets

I'm surprised Jay Horowitz let Matt even address the story of a 21 year old kid who understands how much of a sham of an ownership group and front office this is,,,,

NYtoATX10
NYtoATX10

good, so he understands that his franchise is about $ and not winning 

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

why would the mets waste 10 mil on colon, when you have so many possible starters.  Gee niese wheeler meija dice k or Lannon until syndegard is ready.  That 10 mil should have been used for this lineup.  You could have taken Chris young's 7 and a half mil colons 10 mil and got elsbury or choo.  Both better hitters then young and would solve our lead off problem.

rico
rico

I think Thor was not talking about the METS financial problems, he knows if the Mets wait until June they hold his rights for another year. No rush, let him come up when it's warm and he's pissed and hungry.  It could be dramatic.  


I'm not sure he's ready anyway. I saw opposing hitters measuring his straight fastball. He could use some reps before he hits the show

Perry Gershon
Perry Gershon

Matt and others should be pointing out the difference between sending him down until the end of April and until mid-June.  If he comes up late April, he stays under team control for the extra year.  That has real value and is what competitive teams do with top prospects (like the Rays with Evan Longoria).  If Mets waits until June like with Harvey and Wheeler, they are saving themselves a few million dollars of arbitration cost 3 years from now.  Is that even a good business deal?  Delays his maturation and hurts the team's attendance / excitement level.  They generate more to the bottom line if they have Noah pitching in May and selling seats and ads.  Does not take an MBA to understand this.  And I don't know why Metsblog guys don;'t press home on this point.  


if Mets want to win 90 games, or come close, they need to put best players on the field.  This could not be more true than in the rotation and at shortstop.

hankincolo
hankincolo

After getting a glimpse of Noah, I'm more excited abut his eventual return this season, than I was with Wheeler's. Why? Because he could be a 3rd young dominant pitcher the Mets will have in 2015 and beyond! As far as I'm concerned the Nationals better win THIS season because the Mets will challenge them in '15....and (wait for it) BEYOND!

hlow24
hlow24

Didn't you just post a few days ago how the Mets should start the season with him in the big league rotation in order to commit to winning? Way to flip flop on this Mat... 

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

"It worked well with Matt Harvey & Zach Wheeler"


Did it? You had Aaron Laffey starting games and getting tagged for 9 runs in 2 IP. I went to a game that should've been Matt Harvey's debut but the team balked and started Miguel Batista instead - needless to say they got blown out. So if it worked well for them with the other guys, I guess that's accepting the lack of effort to win games. 

tw22
tw22

@Bob Burket We are missing a bat. One that could come from either d'Arnaud a healthy Davis, Duda or even Satin (I like the Murphy/Wright/Granderson/Satin set up) why do we want to down two arms as well? I don't pretend to think that the Mets are true contenders yet, but with the Braves pitching staff disentegrtating, there is a open window early in the season to make waves and we should grab our best surf boards.

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

@Bob Burket  then we deserve an explanation on the 90 win goal, no? Was that just a ploy to dupe us into tix?

Coach PBJ
Coach PBJ

I would take NS on an inning limit/short pitch count over Lannan, Dice-K or anyone else we have in that 5 slot. I would even put him in the Bullpen like the Cards do with their young arms. That way you control his pitch counts and get him a nice taste of the Big Show. But sending him to LV makes no sense to me. 

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@Ben Fortney There are also legitimate reasons for doing this.  Innings caps as well as Thor needing to work on secondary pitches before he gets the call.

If the motivation is "electricity" and selling tickets it's the complete wrong aproach to take.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

No your wrong an extra year of control is the reason hs is being sent down.They are delaying his free agency for a year by sending him down.Even if they buy out some of his FA years they would still have the extra year.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@Victor Triguero Call the Mets cheap, but most teams hold out their top prospects until June so they can have another year of control. Since we likely aren't winning this year (with or w/o Thor from the start and despite Sandy's 90 win talk), it's actually a smart move.

hankincolo
hankincolo

@hlow24 He probably did, but I remain more concerned about someone using the wrong tense for the word "broke".

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

@BringBackDaveTelghe @Ben Fortney  it isnt just to sell tickets. its that he's one of their best pitchers and they are about to go with a jabroni Dice K over him. Noah is going to have an innings limit regardless of where he pitches, so you are wasting his innings.

PanchoVilla
PanchoVilla

@Pete Brilvitch @Victor Triguero  are we supposed to wait another year to win?  This was supposed to be the year i thought?  Selling the team is the best thing the Wilpons can do, plain and simple.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

It's about the an extra year of control down the road.You really would rather have him for 60 days this season or a full year down the road when he is 230 inning stud pitcher.It really should not even be an issue.

Ben Fortney
Ben Fortney

@Kevin Connelly  "Giving away 10 starts early in the season with a muppet starting in his place is a loser initiative."


Exactly. I keep hearing Sandy and the 'Pons saying "we're serious," "we need fan support," "we're back," etc. Then they make a move not based on talent but on dollars.


I know they're not analogous, but the Cardinals are one of the best run teams in baseball; how many young arms did they have on the big league team last year?

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

@BringBackDaveTelghe  if the team were to compete, he'd be moved into the bullpen anyway. If that were done earlier than expected, fine with me. Giving away 10 starts early in the season with a muppet starting in his place is a loser initiative.


I know it isnt for debate because the FO is set on it, but it is a bit outrageous for 6'5 230 to have such a hard cap on his innings. 


Jose Fernandez made 28 starts last year and he pitched in high school two years ago. 

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

Going 4 or 5 innings in his starts in aaa has no implications but he couldn't do that in the pros.