Noah Syndergaard

Syndergaard has better stuff than Wheeler, but needs more time

Mets RHP prospect Noah Syndergaard may have better stuff than Zack Wheeler, but he still needs time in the minor leagues, a talent evaluator told reporter Mike Puma (NY Post, May 20).

“His stuff is better than Wheeler’s, but his fastball command has been way too inconsistent,” the evaluator said. “You would be afraid of some real big innings if you brought him to the majors.”

Syndergaard is 5-2 with a 3.88 ERA in nine starts for Las Vegas.

Multiple reports indicate Syndergaard isn’t likely to be promoted until mid- to late-June, at which point he’ll probably be beyond the cut-off date for Super 2 eligibility.




43 comments
John Cucci
John Cucci

There is no way Miami makes that trade. Their philosophy seems to be to get younger and have a low payroll. This trade would accomplish neither of those.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

With the promotion of Degrom, and Montero along with Dicek around, while it still has to be figured out if Mejia can recover going back to back, there should be ample pitching up here to give Syndergaard his needed time even if trades happen. 


Colon may even get back on track to lighten any urgency.  

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

Most Young Pitchers have their ups and downs in time it will all work out for Wheeler, lets be patient!

kefhrny17
kefhrny17

Starting to look like Wheeler amy need more time too...

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

One scouting report I saw on Syndergaard ...can hit high 90s with his fastball and has a filthy curve ball and a developing changeup ..ceiling possible #1 starter.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Just looked at a scouting report on Wheeler from 2011 says he has had mechanical issues and his ceiling would be #2 starter.

Paul A DeCesare
Paul A DeCesare

I don't know, it may even be a veteran arm. I think it will boil down to what they are offering, and where the Mets are at the time they offer. I'd want Myers from Tampa for any of our young arms.

PJ Windle
PJ Windle

I feel Montero is the guy who might be dealt. Syndergaard isn't going anywhere and deGrom so far looks really really good.

tullers
tullers

Wheeler was brought up too soon and look at where he's at!  Werthen is a useless pitching coach who seems to do more damage than good with young guys being brought up.

Marco Thomas
Marco Thomas

unpopular post of the day: but maybe we should CONSIDER grooming wheeler and mejia as closer/setup - set/closer combo. Both have really good stuff, but throw too many pitches. thoughts?

wingo43
wingo43

They said the same thing about Harvey when he was in AAA

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Familia=.214   Montero=.217 German=.239  deGrom=.174  ........Wheeler not so great .275   Colon=.300   Gee= .214    Niese =.249   Dice k=.131   All what the league is hitting against them... so besides Wheeler and Colon our  pitching is looking good too bad our offense is crap.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

Hopefully they don't read this article and trade him to the California Angels for Jim Fregosi.  

bigdirty
bigdirty

The Mets need to evaluate all of their pitching. Thor has caught the imagination of th efan base but the feeling has always been that he needed some more seasoning. 


Who exactly would the mets remove from the rotation right now? Gee is on the dl but should be coming back soon. Niese is an anchor for the staff and the only lefty.  Wheeler needs to be developed and needs to be out their every 5th day to get himself figured out. I wouldnt be quick to send him down yet. Montero and  De Grom pitched well in thier first starts and should get at least one more go around. Colon doesnt figure into the pen and he should get the opportunity to straighten out. He could be traded at the deadline and maybe then the team could figure out a spot for noah.  


The Mets have great depth in the starting rotation and they will need to see as many of their guys as possible to see who is more suited for the pen and who could be dealt to help the anemic offense. No need to rush Noah right now. 

John Cucci
John Cucci

Someone is going to get traded. I'm real curious to see who and for what...

yankeehater
yankeehater

We should actually be talking about Thor right now....IF we had not signed colon and invested that money in Abreu. But we are the mets and we don't do anything that might actually make sense.

yankeehater
yankeehater

Jeez...we have enough pitching at the ML level. We need people to hit the effing ball. no power AND the worst BA in baseball.....but lets worry about a pitcher who we clearly don't need right now.

Ron W. Davis
Ron W. Davis

and honestly i think we should let him come up in Sept against other Mets fans i want him to have a taste of the big leagues without rushing him . this is a year of building so why rush the kid but i say bring him up do earlier then mid Aug at earliest . Its about a teaching curve and let him get as much experience down there . 

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

glad to see he fixed the typo..anyway...


if he needs time, GIVE IT. With Gee coming back, and Germen, and Montero up and Possibly Degromm staying in the pen, no need to rush our prized RH Pitcher, and one of the best rated kids in the game. If he needs until August, that's fine....


unless colon is REALLY still stinking up the joint.... 

cj1786
cj1786

The kid is 21 years old, and with the way Montero and Degrom pitched when they came up, Syndergaard should stay right where he is for a while.  There is no need to rush this kid before he is ready. 

Eric Koeller
Eric Koeller

i'm not one of the guys who usually complains about proofreading on this site, but "Has Been Stuff"? c'mon 

Yoshi Rubin
Yoshi Rubin

The Title is confusing I think you meat "better" not "been"

jonn
jonn

been stuff?

dotelmotel
dotelmotel

@718kidd  Oh come on, I agree with everyone that Wheeler has been struggling (to be expected from a young pitcher) but in terms of "stuff" compared to Montero and deGrom, Wheeler still blows them out of the water. Obviously there is more to pitching than just "stuff" which is where I think the other two may potentially be ahead of Wheeler, but in so far as potential and stuff, Wheeler is still electric. 

grillruben
grillruben

@Marco Thomas  

Mejia and Wheelers issues are complete polar opposites. Mejia didn't have a problem with mechanics, or control. He simply got exposed after facing hitters multiple times. Wheeler has better raw ability and could get hitters out throughout a game, however he can't control his pitches well enough to get through games. 

Point being Mejia to the bullpen was a logical solution to his problem. Wheelers control is not going to get any better because he's in the bullpen. 


However, Wheelers velocity tends to dip towards the latter innings. If he masters control of his pitchers, and attakcs hitters, but he simply gets tired as the game goes along then you consider putting him in the pen.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@wingo43  Harvey made things significantly more difficult for the likes of Wheeler, Syndergaard, Montero, de Grom or any other starter that has come along after him.  He completely mis-set expectations. 

domtoretto
domtoretto

@wingo43  Harvey is a different animal who raised his game exponentially once he got to the big stage, which is almost unheard of.  You can't compare anyone against him and think they will do the same.

atrain311
atrain311

@mets2death  Syndergaard himself said that he liked the nickname "Thor" so I'm going with it.  

D. Walker
D. Walker

@mets2death  guess we need to start calling Yogi, Lawrence according to mets2death.

qualcomm
qualcomm

@mets2death Don't deny Thor.  Only Matt Harvey can go by his own name because he's so good he is his own nickname. 

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@mets2death  Nicknames are the beauty of baseball.  We had The Mick, The Duke of Flatbush and The Say Hey Kid.   There is no greater honor in baseball than to be given a nickname by your fan base.  The Mets wouldn't be the Mets without "Mookie" Wilson, Gary "Kid" Carter and "Doc" Gooden.   There's a romanticism to baseball nicknames. They elevates mortals to legends.  

jamets
jamets

Did you even read the story.  He's not ready.  He belongs in the minors right now and that is where he is.  How does that not make sense?

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

@Waegalicious @metsblog And what makes you think his ''stuff'' is not better than Wheelers?

Marco Thomas
Marco Thomas

@grillruben @Marco Thomas very good points. even when wheeler's on his A-control game,i feel like he's also trying to be too economical with his pitches. It's to a fault where he cant get batters out bc he's not putting his max effort in his "out" pitches-- when there's two strikes. Putting him in the bullpen, in my opinion, makes him less worried about being economical and thus putting max effort in every situation.