Terry Collins 3 (Baron)

Sweep by Nationals put a dent in Terry’s plans

The Mets were five games under .500 and seven games back of the division leading Nationals at the start  of August. However, the Mets have lost five of six games to Washington in the last week, including a three-game sweep that ended last night at Citi Field..

“We played very well the last couple of weeks to get back in kind of the mix, so this is a big dent,” Collins said about getting swept by the Nationals, who now lead the Mets by 11 losses in the NL East. “I told the guys just a couple of minutes ago, ‘Let’s go win seven of the next eight.’ We’ll be back in the hunt.”

The Mets trail six teams and are eight losses back of the final Wild Card spot with 41 games to play.

They’ll need to go roughly 29-12 the rest of the season to get to October baseball.

The Mets will need to go 24-17 to finish .500 for the first time since 2008.

“I think that’s definitely a goal of ours,” Sandy Alderson said earlier this week. “We know perception is reality. Certain things change perception and some things don’t.”




119 comments
Bill Myatt
Bill Myatt

Dump him now and bring in a real manager who can fire up this dead team and wants to win!!!!

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

Well at least the 3 games in a row loss has us back in the protected 1st round draft pick 10 worse teams if we do sign a free agent. Worse situation is where you are right in the middle of the pack and don't have $$$$$$$$$ to spend. You're better off selling off players for others #1 picks plus getting your own picks by being brutal for 3 years than being also ran for last 7 years. Fans rather put up with being brutal for 3 years and go on an extended 10 year run ( Detroit) than middle of the pack. 


If the Marlins had money and were able to get a return to norm from Jose Fernandez and development of their young cheap payers and had only Stanton to resign they could take over next year from Nats. 

If we can't spend $120 million a year in NYC --SELL THE TEAM. 

stage52
stage52

Terry is like the teacher that gave you a D+ when you really deserved an F

stage52
stage52

Terry's way of managing a NL Team went out of style before the 1994 strike. 

Doubleday
Doubleday

Terry's plan ... To keep his job?

Marc Sklar
Marc Sklar

This team does not improve at all 4 years and 74 win season again for him and alderson

Zach14
Zach14

Last night's game was abysmal. Gotta score more runs ASAP. Mets need to stay in the Wild Card race.

stage52
stage52

Whatever Collins says does not mean anything at anytime

illnagas
illnagas

Why does TC care about perception? Whose perception of what? Wtf is he rambling about?

James
James

This is typically when TC's teams the last 5 years have decided that it is time to start making vacation plans and have shut down, I will be curious to see if he can reverse that trend in September this time around, this sweep has kicked off a spiral in the past, will this year's team right the ship and rebound again?

ny12jets
ny12jets

Folks, this isn't about Terry.  If Terry had the talent he'd look like a lot better manager.  This is about ownership and the front office.  And, it is scary!  Ownership doesn't have the money, and it is pure selfishness to ruin the summers of every Met fan every year until they get the money.  But, last year they had money.  In fact, they had nearly $35 million dollars to spend. Now, the front office took that money and went out a got CY ($7.5 million) and Granderson ($15.0 million) and Colon ($10 million).  It is easy to see they blew the $22.5 million when it came to investing in offense, thus we have no offense.   And, I'd say the Colon signing is debatable considering the pitching in the minor leagues.  So, in conclusion, there is no money and when there is money, we aren't that smart in spending it.  SA and his idiots are afraid of trading because they have no confidence in what they are doing, and deathly afraid of making the mistakes like they did last year.  Terry isn't the problem.  DO NOT RESIGN SA, it is time for a new direction with some intelligence.  I'll give you that they built the farm system, but trading cy young award winners and potential HOF players to do that isn't brain surgery.  We all could have made those trades from our sofas.

johnsec125
johnsec125

quick sandy, sign terry to an extension before another team gobbles him up!

theglider
theglider

Let's get rid of Randolph!!

Let's get rid of Manuel!!

Let's get rid if Collins!!

And yet the team continues to lose. When will anyone realize that until they have real players who can perform it doesn't matter who manages this team?

Talent makes a difference between winning and last place.

Michael Zvirblis
Michael Zvirblis

This team will never start hitting in our lifetime. So they can get all the great pitching they want to. Trade for a great bat? Why? So he can either get injured in May, or hit .210 all season long.

pointguard
pointguard

TC is a bad in game manager.A manager can account for 5-7 games per season.


Terry has no clue when it comes to pitching.He leaves pitchers in too long after they have lost it or have high pitch counts.He still lets Murphy run the bases.Wright does not guard the line in late innings.You never replace Lagares in CF.

Just a few of his misdeeds.

Bob Burket
Bob Burket

First order of business should be to get rid of Alderson and Collins and bring up Wally.

Bob Burket
Bob Burket

They aint going 29-12 or 24-17 either.  15-26 is much more like it.

Metsnow
Metsnow

Terry's Plans????? And what might that be. I'm done with him. Not his fault about the lack of talent or poor FA signings....but he just doesn't manage to win. Need a change of direction FAST!!!!

ken1010
ken1010

They are on pace to 76 wins.  That's an improvement over last year, but not a material one.

The half full way to look at this is that they are a .500 team now, due to the pitching, but Terry's managing, and early season roster mistakes in the bullpen, will have them finish a few games below .500 this year.

They are at least two good hitters away from contention.  It will be hard to solve that without spending money.

javy180
javy180

Keep dreaming with an offensive that can barely score two runs.

Rich Towler
Rich Towler

Mayb of terry grew some balls and brushed back a batter or two mayb we wouldnt have got swept. Instead terry shrugs his little troll shoulders and doesnt care cause already got his job on lock next yr.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

Wally deserves a chance. Arguments have been made for him for several years ( see below) and since then he has continued to put legal issues behind him.


NY Sports Dog: The Case for Wally Backmannysportsdog.blogspot.com/2010/05/case-for-wally-backman.html 

May 17, 2010 - The answer is Wally Backman. ... hired by the Diamondbacks as their manager before being dismissed because of legal (and moral) issues. 

Time is right for Wally Backman to take over as New York ...www.axs.com/time-is-right-for-wally-backman-to-take-over-as-new...AXSWally Backman, a former New York Mets superstar, is ready for his spot in the ... at every level, and proven that he has put his past legal problems behind him.



I think Terry must have naked pictures of Sandy, Fred, Jeff  to keep him here.  Bring up Wally for 2015.




Totes Magotes
Totes Magotes

terrys plan: dont get fired!!! fire terry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

What do you expect the guy to say? He is the very essence of the Company Man. We've seen games like last night's FAR too many times this season. The team clearly lost interest when they got down 4-0. Just a wretched effort. The annual collapse just happened a few weeks late this year. Team on pace for another 72-76 win season. Wally Backman is not Tony LaRussa or Mike Scoscia. But how did he end up so deeply trapped in the Wilpon's doghouse?

Jack Fitzpatrick
Jack Fitzpatrick

@2ndhalffun  I agree.  However you (Mets) can't spend $120 million on any more Jason Bays and Bobby Bonillas.  The problem is, with so many teams and such a dirth of talent in the majors, nobody is going to trade any talent that do they have.

Matt Drucker
Matt Drucker

TC is not the whole problem, he is a big part of it though. He could have great players and he would still make strange moves. There is a endless list of his flaws. Alderson also does not help him.

James
James

@ny12jets Granderson's money is not blown, he is earning his contract, CY was definitely a mistake, I still like the Colon signing.


Terry is most definitely a problem, and you are giving SA no where near enough credit for those trades which you would not be able to make in a million years.

Dylan Ray Rice
Dylan Ray Rice

When we finally get a manager who comes off as a a winner at least.

illnagas
illnagas

Let's get rid of all managers and coaches!!

stage52
stage52

@Bob Burket  The NY Press would Eat Backman alive within a week and have him going off the deep end.  One quick look at the offerings on you tube of Backman  as a manager in the minors is enough to scare any club from hiring him as their manager.  What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.  Whatever Backman does there gets little press so he is safe there.  He might have changed from his troubled times but the possibility of his bad behavior  will keep him from managing the Mets and other teams. It might not be fair and I have to disagree with that but that is the problem and why other clubs have not offered him a job either.

Francisco Romero
Francisco Romero

@Rich Towler my thoughts exactly. It was like that bugs bunny cartoon when he was playing baseball against the yankee lookalikes. They were forming a conga line around the bases, each hitting a homerun.

Ray Carattini
Ray Carattini

@2ndhalffun  It definitely wouldn't hurt to bring him up and see what he can do here. We've had enough of Collins and his doublespeak and inept managing style.

thecasuaLGM
thecasuaLGM

Terry is a company man while wally is a wildcard. Never going to see wally while sandy is at the helm, he isn't one of "his" people. Even if they do end up firing terry wally won't be the next manager. At least that seems to be the concensus of every ny mlb writer i've read.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@2ndhalffun I honestly think it's a simple matter of Sandy loves that he just falls in line and takes his marching order, and the Wilpons don't want to pay to fire him anyway.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Kenneth Meltsner I honestly think it's not the Wilpons' doghouse, it's Sandy's doghouse. And I think Sandy just wants the manager to be a "yes man" that will follow his lead and not have much to say for himself. Wally is not that guy. Terry is. Plain and simple.


Oh, and the Wilpons probably don't want to pay to fire Terry either, even if it is just $1 million. There's that too.

Ray Carattini
Ray Carattini

@Kenneth Meltsner  This team is sleepwalking right now, and I don't think they take Terry seriously anymore .Daniel Murphy luckily stealing third base down four runs? What does that tell you? They're doing whatever they want.  They dialed it in the second Bryce Harper hit that walk off last week, it was a killer loss that sapped any hope. As far as wally is concerned, this regime jumped the shark for me when they hired Collins. He almost gets his a$$ whooped by the players with the last 2 teams he tried to manage because they hated him, but Wally, who KNOWS how to manage and is respected by the players, can't get a fair shake.

ny12jets
ny12jets

@James @ny12jets That's my opinion.  I'm not saying the trades are simple, but they are a lot simpler than the trades he needs to make to improve the team at the major league level.  And, for a team with no money to have $15 million locked up in Granderson is not a good investment.  If they had a payroll of $150 million, then I can live with Granderson.  They envisioned him the clean-up hitter.

theglider
theglider

Managers need talent. This team had none. No matter who is in charge it doesn't matter if the team consists of minor keague players.

If you put John McGraw as manager of a little league team and you managed a major league team you'd win every time. Why? This is a AAA team taking in major league rosters.

jenkins
jenkins

@James @theglider Really. Randolph completely sucked as a MGR and Manuel wasn't much better and that WAS with good talent.


Collins sucks. 

Jack Fitzpatrick
Jack Fitzpatrick

@thecasuaLGM  I agree.  They will probably hire the likes of Bob Geren or some other company flunky that won't make waves.  That has been their style since Gil Hodges passed away.  They might as well bring back Art Howe or Buddy Harrelson. 

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

@Ray Carattini I agree with everything you have to say. Look at the mental mistakes that have plagued this team all season. Adam LaRoche stealing against Familia. Murphy's myriad brain-farts. Whatever happened to the concept of meritocracy? Sure, the cast of characters isn't very good but how do you reward consistent mediocrity. And that goes double for the GM.

Jack Fitzpatrick
Jack Fitzpatrick

@stage52 @Jack Fitzpatrick  I know, but to illustrate a my point, just look how poor this team is in their "Fundies."  Their baserunning is unbelievable.  Pitch selection.  Missing the cutoff man.  d'Arnaud has the worst throwing technique on pegs to second I have ever seen.  Has he ever thrown anybody out?  There must be some reason that a "top flight" catcher has been traded 3 times.

stage52
stage52

@kingman76 @stage52  Your guesses are wrong on all counts you laid out.  I happen  to like Backman but what I said was the rub against him whether we like it or not. Backman will never be the coach of the Mets with Alderson as GM.