So, what is the long-term plan for SS?

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

According to a person with knowledge of the team’s thinking, the Mets remain focused on trading for a young shortstop under team control for many seasons, columnist Andy Martino wrote Tuesday (Daily News, May 21).

Sandy Alderson and his staff were once intrigued by A’s SS Jed Lowrie, according to friends with Oakland. However, it is very unlikely the A’s trade him, which means he could become an easier get this winter, when he’s eligible to be a free agent.

In the meantime, I expect to hear lots of rumor this June and July about Mariners shortstops Brad Miller and Nick Franklin, as well as Arizona shortstops Didi Gregorius and Chris Owings.


MLB: Baltimore Orioles at Arizona Diamondbacks


The D-Backs and Mariners were often seen scouting Mets minor leagues this past March. The sides had low-level talks before the start of the regular season, but the Mets were repeatedly asked to part with Noah Syndergaard, who they still have no interest in trading.

In talking to insiders with other teams, it sounds to me like some combination of Rafael Montero, Jacob deGrom, Kevin Plawecki and Jenrry Mejia will be Alderson’s best shot at trading for a young shortstop. I once heard the D-Backs were very interested Travis d’Arnaud, but his slow start, injuries and current concussion have probably decreased his value. That said, I don’t believe Alderson will waste any of these bullets on Franklin, who may end up being only slightly better than Wilmer Flores on the infield. Miller may be a different story, since he has a ton of potential, a big bat and a good eye, but decreasing value due to his recent struggles in the big leagues.

In the event the Mets find a winning streak and pull back near — or above — .500 toward the end of July, I think there’s a chance Alderson would consider dealing a mid-level player for veteran shortstop, such as Jimmy Rollins or Asdrubal Cabrera. However, I bet he’d rather make one deal, trade what he has to, and know the move helps beyond this season, which is why it’s worth keeping an eye on the Mariners and D-Backs.




131 comments
saveme
saveme

They are so inept it is scary.  They are the only organization who treats the regular season like Spring Training.

Doubleday
Doubleday

"Knowledge of the team's thinking," is an oxymoron.

nykjw2
nykjw2

Stupid Mets let Reyes go.

semperfi
semperfi

I remember when the Mets held onto Fernando Martinez and refused to give up on him, same with Lastings Milledge, I believe Flores can be better but he is not necessarily the best fit for the Mets and still has trade value especially when putting up big numbers at AAA level and still pretty you but sitting on the MLB team and not playing does nobody any good

semperfi
semperfi

In 113 MLB ABs Flores has 1Hr and Tejada has 2 in 5 seasons, Franklin had 12HRs as a rookie at 22 which is how old Flores is, use Flores as trade bait while he still has perceived value,

qualcomm
qualcomm

Maybe we can trade for Flores.

CocoaBeachnut
CocoaBeachnut

Grandy and others are now using drills learned from Yankee batting coach Kevin Long. Does that not say it all about Mets coaching staff?

What happens to talent when it reaches the major league? Worth noting is that AAA Vegas (32-13) in 1st; AA Binghampton (24-18) in 2nd place; High A St. Lucie (27-19) in 1st; A Savannah (30-14) in 1st and Low A Brooklyn (38-37) in 2nd place.

Do our pitching and batting coaches take that talent and refine it? Or do we trade away up & coming talent for another not-so-sure thing?

I worry about packaging OUR talent for one guy (SS) who may, in the end, be no better than Flores. The ghosts of Jim Fregosi and Pat Zachry et. al. haunt me. Our trades never seem to work out.

boo5270
boo5270

from today's NY Post:

Before Monday night’s game, Alderson said he had seen Flores play shortstop just one game. Asked whose job it is Alderson responded, “That’s a good question. What we have to do is make sure we are taking a structured approach to these things. We have to give our young players a chance to realize whatever potential they have.’’

He’s seen Flores play shortstop ONCE? ONCE?  ARE YOU KIDDING ME? We're talking about the guy who is going to play shortstop for your major league club, not the double-a team!  He's seen Flores play shortstop once. This is icing on the cake for this story.  What a second rate organization.

semperfi
semperfi

San Diego and Houston Street have closed 15 of 16 chances which ranks 1st where as the Mets have closed 8 out of 16 chance which ranks 29, give the Mets the same save rate as SD and it puts their record at 27 and 17 sitting in 1st place even though they have hit as bad as any team in MLB, my point is that with a few changes this team can make the playoffs, without and they will be hard pressed to win 75 games.

Mike Rauch
Mike Rauch

The Mets don't make plans. They wait for the other teams to make plans and pick up the scraps.

Dyl Ofthefuture
Dyl Ofthefuture

What happened to

1. Benny Agbayani LF 2. Edgardo Alfonzo 2B 3. Robin Ventura 3B 4. Mike Piazza C 5. Todd Zeile 1B 6. Jay Payton CF 7. Darryl Hamilton RF 8. Rey Ordoñez SS 9. Al Leiter P

or

1. Jose Reyes SS 2. Paul LoDuca C 3. Carlos Beltran CF 4. Carlos Delgado 1B 5. David Wright 3B 6. Cliff Floyd LF 7. Xavier Nady RF 8. Anderson Hernandez 2B 9. Tom Glavine

Because of irresponsible ownership and mismanaging of finances, our beloved Mets have mutated into this:

E. Young Jr., 2B (Speed is his only asset, average glove, can't get on)

D. Murphy, 1B (Streaky, overall decent player)

D. Wright, 3B (Getting older, not showing life, hasn't come through)

C. Granderson, CF (A solid 7 hitter, K and unproductive out to HR ratio is laughable for a cleanup hitter, all or nothing, usually nothing)

C. Young, LF (Career .235 hitter, has been awful last 2 years, injury prone, why did they sign this guy when we have Lagares?)

L. Duda, 1B (the so called slugger has 5 hr and 19 RBIs while we suffer through his.250 avg and .338 OBP)

W. Flores, SS (Another minor leaguer who has proven nothing on the major league level auditioning during the big show)

J. Centeno, C (Who is this guy? Has he been catching long? How many times is he going to throw the ball into CF and miss pitches right in front of him?)

R. Montero, P (Does this kid look ready to win ball games? If he can't get us past the 5th, this atrocious bullpen will blow the game 9.5/10 times)

The sad part is the lineup is not even the major issue. Every arm in the bullpen is shaky. We have no closer. Our manager is horrendous, our coaching staff has done nothing to keep their jobs. Since when has failure been tolerated?

Starting pitching is only going to get you so far. Whose to say how may of these arms will holdup, and how many will even approach the bar Alderson has set for these kids.

Why are we playing Moneyball in a huge market? The amount of money fans put into this team even when they're bad (forget about when they're good) is more than enough to bring in more talent than this. It's going to be next year for a long time boys, even both of the lineups I mentioned didn't win the series.

Someone please scam the wilpons again, and this time take all their money. That's the only way us fans will actually get to enjoy the baseball season once again.

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

The Mets once traded a Top Prospect Pitcher (Nolan Ryan) for a Shortstop, who also just happened to be MVP of the American League (Jim Fergosi) and it obviously didn't work out! We are not going anywhere this year and we have options, that's why Sandy has not pulled the Trigger!

mi
mi

oo and btw there is 0 chance alderson trades for a vet SS, every year he has subtracted from the team, has had numerous offseasons to improve the position and has done NOTHING, i like the optimism but please get a reality check

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

Their are nine free agent shortstops available for free agency next year, 4 with options!

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

Franklin has no range at SS and hands Of stone and not the best of arms! sounds like a Perfect Met! If he was that good he would be the starting Shortstop for The Mariners!

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

Sandy needs to make a move before next month or atleast early next month if he wants to stay in this he needs a power bat and to DFA tejada and bring a serviceable ss to this team

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

This is Matt Reynolds' year 23 season and he's hitting .333 at Binghamton after two slow seasons after Arkansas. He will turn 24 in December. Think we should move him up to Las Vegas to see what he can do.

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

Next year, Lowrie will be 31 years old and he's hitting .258 right now. How is this going to help our future?

D
D

Long Term Plan: The Cheapest Option, performance is a distant second 

semperfi
semperfi

Nick Franlin is a former 1st rounder who is a switch hitting SS/2B currently tearing up AAA with a .370 BA and .470 OBP and hitting with power, he is only 23 and hit 12 HRs last year in his rookie MLB season with 300 ABs, Tejada has not hit 12 HRs in his 1st 4 years nor will he over the next 4 years, either give Flores 100% playing time to see what he's got or get Franklin with a few minor leaguers. Ownership is not the problem and either is Sandy who is a former Marine officer who has a plan for everything, his choice of picking Collins was sound at the time but eventually was going to run its course and need to be changed, Wally Backman is the best choice to replace Terry, and will win with this team. He keeps his players loose and having fun but he also inspects what he expects and his players not only play hard, smart and with confidence and some swagger. Wally is a World Champion and expects to be again, Terry is not and I don't think he sees himself ever being one, given the chance Wally will win as a MLB coach because he knows what it takes to win! Final note, have to have a top closer to win, figure it out now, either through trade, Vic Black or a current reliever but make a decision now stop with the indecision. Lagares 100% playing time in CF no more excuses!

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

Matt, that's the problem with some of your posts.  It's always, a few tantalizingly weeks off.  In June or July Alderson won't pull the trigger on a deal since the Diamondbacks and the Mariners will still want too much for their players.  Besides, who ever heard of a team 20 games out of first place dealing to improve itself?

This team will muddle through the season with Tejada and Flores booting the ball around the infield.  We will go into the off season waiting for the big free agent signing, and at the Winter Meetings nothing will get done again (with the exception of another retread signing to save whatever face the front office has by then).  There is no money to spend, and this team is afraid to trade what little talent they have.

Quit stringing us along with false "rumors", it's really beginning to be annoying.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

Our trades never work out???Carter Grote Sterns Hernandez Clendenon Oleroud,McReynolda,Agee Staub,Darling Ojeda Fernandez Cone,That's in 30 seconds of thought.Typical on this blog just make believe nothing good Ever happened. Really sad.

semperfi
semperfi

We have better coaching at the minor league levels than we do at the MLB level, Wally B should be our coach with Tim T as bench coach and a new pitching and batting coach. Franklin is a switch hitter that has hit 12 HRs at 22 last year for Seattle in 360 ABs with a positive DWAR at 2nd and only reason he is in AAA is because of Cano, Flores has not done anything at the MLB level and either needs 100% time at SS or go back to AAA and play everyday, there are other options at SS but I think we can get Franklin at a reasonable price and believe a can be an instant upgrade form what we have at SS with some power. Duda and Cambell works at 1B and dArnaud and Recker work behind the plate, have to upgrade at SS and Closer ASAP, Granderson, Lagares and CY give you one of the best defensive OFs in baseball, Colon, Niese, Gee, Wheeler and Degrom, Montero is not ready and if Wheeler does not get it together over the next 30 days then he should be sent down and replaced by Sydergard, Lowrie or Hardy would be my offseason targets for SS, you have Harvey and Hefner coming back which gives you a lot of trade flexibility a lot of MLB ready starting pitchers

mi
mi

The worst part of it all Is that nobody will kill him for that quote

slainte2
slainte2

@boo5270  

come on, that cannot possibly be true!!   Did he misunderstand the question??

jaysonl
jaysonl

@semperfi yeah but that's exactly the point. What indications are there that we will fix the bullpen? Of all of Sandy's shortcomings, the bullpen has been the worst!!!

mi
mi

@Dee Rice  your assesment of granderson is laughable he started off as bad as you can and is still on pace for 25 and 80 which i think will increase, everything else is spot on

jaysonl
jaysonl

@Not4Nutten The Mets also once kept 3 pitchers around and didn't make deals when they could have and ended up with Isringhausen, Pulsipher and Wilson

semperfi
semperfi

No one is saying to give up Nolan Ryan but I would consider Montero and a position player that we don't have a need for

mi
mi

@Not4Nutten  you do realize sometime you have to take a chance right, instead were leting flores,tda,montero all come up and lose all there potential trade value by SUCKING

semperfi
semperfi

Had a positive DWAR at both SS and 2B last year at the MLB level and can hit with power, he just turned 23 in March and has tremendous potential, we have nothing in Tejada. He had know chance in beating out Cano and Mariners decided to go in a different direction at SS and give him a chance to play everyday at the AAA level in which he is tearing it up, hands of stone and a bad arm generally don't translate to a positive DWAR, Murphy has had a negative DWAR for the last 3 years but because he can hit we consider him one of our best players, this kid is better than you think.

Tom Gallagher
Tom Gallagher

@semperfi I agree on Franklin's bat, but everything I've read about his fielding suggests he doesn't look like a good fielding SS right now (though he may work as an adequate second basemen). I've heard he's comparable to Flores in the field. I was very much in favor of the Mets pursuing him until I read about his glove work.

Greg Nichols
Greg Nichols

Show me Flores booting the ball all over the field. He has some soft hands and I nice strong accurate arm.

Keith Harrison
Keith Harrison

@Ed Yano  i want you to take a long look at the list you just came up with...Olerud is the most recent one...that was 1996...you are the typical Met fan stuck in 1969 and 1986 as if that gives the front office a free pass to run this team into the ground

semperfi
semperfi

Vic Black has 7 saves and a 1.45 ERA giving up only 12 hits in 18 innings, still has had issues with walks but still getting the job done, last 3 appearances has not given up a hit, he's got the stuff to close and deserves another shot considering they really don't have a closer at the MLB level. They could get Street from SD if they wanted to give something up and spend some $

Doubleday
Doubleday

@semperfi  Why would you trade for this guy before assessing Flores' ability to handle the job at the ML level?  From what is written abve, I'd rather take my chances with Wilmer.  Wilmer has a good arm and a great glove - he just doesn't have the range, which he is working on.

semperfi
semperfi

In 90 games last year at 2nd he had a positive DWAR of .7 and a positive .7 at SS with a very small sample size where as Murphy had a negative DWAR of .8, 1.5 and .6 over the last 3 years, most would say Murphy is serviceable at second and will stay there because he can hit, Franklin is a better fielder then Murphy and hit just as many HRs last year as a rookie in half the ABs that Murphy had. Being a power hitting switch hitter at SS could be huge find for this team and power at the SS position would be a huge plus, I was hoping to see if Flores could do it but you have to give him 100% of the playing time to see if he can not spot starting! I think everyone other than Collins knows that Tejada is not the guy, 2HRs over 1st 5 seasons in MLB, stop with the insanity and fix the obvious!

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

Another potential AAAA player come on man he needs to get us someone with a good track record

jaysonl
jaysonl

@semperfi walks on the minor league level can be masked by good stuff which Black has.  Im worried this guy is a AAAA pitcher

semperfi
semperfi

If you are 23 and leading AAA in BA at .370 and OBP at .470 with 7HRS/7 Doubles and play a middle IF you are a top prospect not a AAAA, as a rookie in the MLB last year he hit 12 HRs, one less than Murphy in half the ABs, only reason he is in AAA is because they signed Cano. We got Tejada who has hit 2Hrs in his 1st 5 seasons, he should not be in the MLB.