Sandy Alderson could be weeks away from signing contract extension

The Mets and Sandy Alderson appear weeks away from announcing a contract extension beyond his 2015 option, according to columnist David Lennon (Newsday, Aug. 7).


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“We’ve always believed the only way he is ever stripped of the GM title is if Alderson chooses to leave Flushing on his own,” writes Lennon.


miniMCavatarMatthew Cerrone: I’ve heard from people who know Alderson, who is 66-years-old, that he does not intend to work in an active role beyond 70. At the same time, they say it’s very important to him that he leave the entire franchise in significantly better condition than when he arrived.

I don’t support every choice he’s made, but for the most part I agree with his direction and philosophy. It’s taking longer than I’d like, but I’m reasonable and I’ve seen enough baseball to know the task at hand when he took over can take five or six years to complete.

So, here we are… He’s done what he was challenged to do by ownership, which is essentially reboot the franchise – from the majors down to the minor leagues. Thanks to Alderson’s staff and their collective discipline, they now seem to be in a position to begin winning more than they lose, with a team built on affordable, cost-controlled and home-grown players.

However, I’ve heard from MLB insiders that, while ownership was accepting of the ‘rebuilding phase,’ there is a growing sense of urgency to get this franchise back to being a playoff contender. That said, if ownership thinks he is the best person to take on this next phase, I’m cool with Alderson leading the charge, given how he’s handled the last few years.

The important question is: Does he have the resources and talent to add to what he’s created? Can he make it bigger, better, stronger and sustainable? To me, this will be the true test of his skills, because it’s ultimately why you and I watch his team.

The Mets continue to say he has what he needs. He essentially says the same, though I assume he would spend more on payroll if given a slightly larger budget. Of course, I could probably say this about every team and every GM. However, I’ve also heard from league insiders who predict, before he signs a new deal, Alderson will want  assurances from ownership about what he’ll be capable of doing, and he’ll want to explore with them why information tends to leak to the press so freely from within their organization. I’m not entirely sure what that means, but I’ve heard it from more than one place.

In either case, starting this winter, we’re going to find out in real terms what this management team is truly capable of, because their maturing, young talent on the field and all of their unbelievably-patient fans are starting to demand they finally start turning the corner.






248 comments
flmetsfan
flmetsfan

It's very nice that you guys make a case for why Alderson is such a great and successful guy, and ask for an up down vote on whether we agree with what he is doing.  In my business I call that a Closing Argument.

Believe me, I really do like the rebuilding of the farm system, but anyone could have done that by simply not trading away prospects.  Beltran, Dickey, Byrd, and Buck weren't in the organizations long term plans so they were converted into prospects.  The evaluation of minor league talent has been flawless.  But, I'm still not convinced that Alderson can complete the job and make this team a contender by just using "home grown talent".  It seems pretty clear that the ownership isn't willing to spend any more money than they really have to, and the Mets still have holes to fill.

Further, it still will remain to be seen if this team will actually hold onto some of this talent when the Arbitration portion of their contracts expire.  Will the Mets be like another Rays and convert their young stars into more prospects because they aren't willing to spend to keep them?

Alderson's track record with FAs is notoriously bad. Chris Young was a joke, Granderson is overpaid and underproducing and has the lowest OBP of active leadoff hitters. Just regarding pitchers:

In 2010, the final season before Alderson’s arrival as GM, Mets relievers ranked a respectable 5th in the National League with a 3.59 ERA. But from 2011-13, the Mets have plummeted, posting a 4.31 ERA. It’s the second-highest mark in baseball. In every year of that woeful span, the Mets have languished near the bottom of the league.

From 2011-13, just three Mets relievers logged at least 30 innings and posted an ERA below 3.00. In addition to Parnell [2.78], the group includes Carlos Torres [1.47] and LaTroy Hawkins [2.93], a pair of minor-league signings that worked out well for the Mets. Not included in the group? Any of Alderson’s major league free-agent signings.

Overall, Alderson awarded roughly $29 million in guaranteed contracts to lure free agents to the Mets from 2011 to 2013. Relief pitching accounted for roughly $19 million -- two-thirds of his spending.Jon Rauch [one year, $3.5 million], D.J. Carrasco [two years, $2.5 million] and Brandon Lyon [one year, $750,000] are among the Alderson Era relievers who provided the Mets with mediocre or below average production.

None proved to be a bigger flop than veteran righthander Frank Francisco. After signing a two-year, $12-million contact prior to the 2012 season, Francisco spent much of his Mets tenure on the disabled list. When he did see the field, he was horrendous. Francisco recorded 24 saves while posting a 5.36 ERA. For all that cash, he gave the Mets a grand total of 48 2/3 innings.

Just some more numbers for Alderson's Mets - since the All-Star Break (35 games) the Mets are dead last in MLB in:

Runs, Hits, BA, RBIs, SLG & OPS.

Make of that what you will.

Joe Weiss
Joe Weiss

No way should he be resigned. We need a person who can act boldly and not worry about the Cheapons Madoff problem.

steve333
steve333

77% approve? Mets fans must be very easy to please.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

Matt, you mentioned that you weren't sure what Sandy means by wanting assurances of what he'll be able to do. I'm pretty sure he means a predictable, market-appropriate budget he can plan around each season. 

elcondor
elcondor

Posters here appear to be split 50-50 on the GM. however, 77.7% of the blog readers approve of the job Alderson is doing. Would like to hear more from The Silent Majority

Alex Rojas
Alex Rojas

for what.. losing seasons?  As "great" as the pitching in the minors is projected to be there isn't a single position player worth talking about that could help the organization in the next year or so.  You want to throw out Dilson, fine.. but all I know is we needed a shortstop desperately early this year and had no where to go.  I'm really surprised how many good folks on here seem to apologize for Sandy.  Up until this year, his bullpens have been a absolute disaster.  Seems like the popular arguments in his defense is look where we were... To that I say, we are on year 5 of losing.. "He has been cash strapped" How about a little creativity?  Look... we all know the Wilpons are the problem but we were lied to.. They said that this would be our year.. Bad contracts come off.. blah blah blah...  yet all that came back is an outfielder that is currently batting .225. 


Let me just say this.. I don't think Sandy is aweful... but I won't call him good... he is ultimately judged by the major league squad not how well Binghamton is doing or how great or pitching staff "might" be in 2 years.. Oh and let's not forget that he will have to trade some of these arms to get a decent bat thus diluting the talent pool. 


Are we better off now than when he took over... from a Major league perspective... not a chance... Reyes.. Beltran... etc.. Are we better at the farm level... unequivocally, yes... but unfortunately Binghamton and Las Vegas are a long drive..

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Well, there goes my lunch. Sandy gets an 80% approval rating?!? What team are you guys watching? four straight years of tepid mediocrity. Outside of Marlon Byrd, has he signed ONE decent veteran position player. Maybe it is a money thing but there are teams with equally little money to spend who manage to spend it a great deal better.

Steve Dowling
Steve Dowling

If he is so concerned about how information is leaked shouldn't he start with how his concerns were leaked?

upstaphan
upstaphan

78% of people agree with Sandy and Terry that CY and Tejada are the bomb diggity

John Paul Cullinane
John Paul Cullinane

Matt Harvey, Daniel Murphy, Lucas Duda, Juan Lagares, Dillon Gee, Jonathon Niese, Joe Smith, Ike Davis, Wilmer Flores, Jenrry Mejia...all Minaya guys

You can also argue, the parting gift was leaving Carlos Beltran and R.A. Dickey behind so Alderson could trade for Zack Wheeler, Travis d’Arnaud and Noah Syndergaard. In other words, even what have been hailed as Alderson’s best moves, so far, have Minaya’s legacy as part of them.

Once again, I did not like Minaya...but at least he did SOMETHING.  This year, the Mets could have overpaid a little and gotten a few guys on one year deals - not giving up anyone while maintaining a low payroll for 2015 while prospects develop - and they could have also made tweaking deals at the deadline...instead, NOTHING was done to improve this team for 2014 when we knew what holes needed to be filled and nothing was done for 2015 besides waiting for prospects to develop. 

John Paul Cullinane
John Paul Cullinane

Being able to bring down payroll due to not over-spending wildly on players is one way to look at his tenure here with the Mets...however, the way I see it is not spending on talented free agents, and when he does spend on a FA, it's not on a need position...also, it shows me that he may just not have gotten the players which could lean toward his ability to recruit/sign...Any GM could make good draft picks with top choices each year due to losing records the year prior...and holding onto Omar's draft picks that pan out, odesn't mean that Sandy is good at his job.  I didn't like Minaya, but at least we could have a winning season and he was a good talent evaluator.

Mikey J
Mikey J

If it really takes 5 or 6 years to turn around an organization, someone might want to tell that to the folks down in Miami. We were already well into the Alderson regime when they decided to blow up their team down there and rebuild. And they already are fielding a more talented and exciting team than we are. Heck even the Astros, although still relegated to last place for now, are showing signs of returning to competitive baseball before the Mets, just one year after being the worst team in baseball. Alderson has turned around the farm system, and that's great and I do give him credit for that. But in the end the Mets are no closer to playing winning baseball than they were when he got here. Now that may not be his fault. In the end the ownership holds the purse strings and Sandy is at their whim when it comes to that. But all and all we are talking about giving Sandy Alderson a contract extension when he has not proven he can assemble a winning ballclub in New York. Just a year removed from Sandy balking at giving Collins an extension because he hadn't proved he could manage a winning ballclub in New York. All that talk about accountability and changing the losing culture in that clubhouse and yet the ownership seeks to reward mediocrity in the front office?

specialk
specialk

Its funny how overwhelming the poll is in terms of how well Alderson is doing, yet if you read this blog on a regular basis you'd think all Mets fans hate Alderson.  It shows once again that if you are negative you are more likely to comment on a blog or call into a radio show.  It doesn't reflect the overall fan base

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

Alderson inherited a roster that topped out at 74 wins,you know the team we have been watching the last few seasons.I don't believe you can judge his performance until his picks reach the ML team.Will Smith be better then Duda,Dilson then Murphy,Rosario then Tejada Conforto and Nimmo better then DenDecker,Kirk?When those questions are answered we will know how good or bad Sandy has been.Most of the anger at Sandy comes from people who want to win now.For those people he hasn't gotten the job done and that's a legit complaint.But it's clear Sandy planned to build through the farm and that takes years,people may not like that plan,but that is his plan.I think we will need to wait a few more years before we see if Sandy has built a championship organization but I do think its time to competitive and even sneak into the playoffs.

Max Denby
Max Denby

Almost any GM can tank for 5 years, trade your stars and build the Farm. That is not success. Met fans need to raise their standards.

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

The truth be told hes never had more tha a pair of duces and $20.00 for Gas! He took a hot with Young and it didn't happen at least he took a shot!

hashburry
hashburry

I would like to know why they didn't hold a private workout for Castillo, to get a better idea if he was worth the investment.  It is clear they wouldn't be willing to pay 50M or so for the guy, even if he showed a ton of potential in a private workout.  How would Mark Cuban look sitting behind the Met dugout?

Russ Sullivan
Russ Sullivan

But he will get an extension because he doesn't spend any money at all. And that's why the wilpons love him so much

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

Other than Byrd, yes, I don't recall him doing that well in that department. This is one way a team on the rise and/or w/o much money thrives. Creativity and good judgment in this department. Some of his moves were okay (got a mediocre closer, e.g., but he was cheap and the Mets weren't very good -- why spend more for the other options? ... but a better GM might get creative and in effect create a closer ... look at Meija, seen by many as a starter).


He got some good returns for people though.

James
James

@Joe Weiss So unless we are going to hire Mark Cuban and he is willing to spend his own money on our team, why would any GM we hire not be able to "worry" about the Cheapons Madoff problem.  I doubt Sandy is sitting there being told to spend $140m and saying no I would really rather spend 80m boss.  So why do you think the "boldness" of the GM will change anything.  I mean I guess we could have a guy that whines about it more publicly, but if you think the Wilpons don't here our complaints and the fact that there are constantly empty seats in the house well I am not sure what that would change.

rock44
rock44

@steve333  I think these polls are a fraud.  I voted in the negative every time and I'm always in the bottom third.  Impossible.

ken1010
ken1010

@elcondor Jeff is too busy voting again and again to write comments.

NotoriousPING
NotoriousPING

@Alex Rojas Not saying that i dont' agree with what you said, but Beltran and Reyes? They didn't want to pay Reyes because of his leg issues, which are still happening and Beltran was on his way out, which got us Wheeler. Not mention, everyone here hated Beltran.

Most of the issues with sandy are due to the handcuffs that the owners put on him. We needed a SS, but who was he going to get? Lots of people on here were slamming Sandy for not signing Drew, and look at him now. HE SUCKS! But, where are those people? 


This year was never supposed to be a winning year. Once Harvey went down, so did the Mets season. This is why they didn't go out to get a SS, there was no one out there. This offseason is the true test for the Mets. They have all the prospects to get someone thats needed and still have possibly the best rotation in baseball. If not, they fail.Again.

Ben Rafelson
Ben Rafelson

@Kenneth Meltsner here's the issue kenneth. Matt is correct in that i don't understand or agree with everything he has done but look objectively at what he was given and what we have now. No farm, no pipeline (other than maybe dominican academy), massive contractual obligations. 


It has taken longer than anyone of us would like and definitely longer than we were told but the end result is a franchise poised to be resurgent. HOWEVER...all is for naught if the wilpons don't open the purse strings to, at the very least, make a splash to show we are contenders (think bringing in Pedro).


With all that said, there are still major concerns: Why does Flores ride the bench? Why is Chris Young still on this team? I was unhappy no trade was made at deadline but i would rather no trade than a bad one.

zoddie
zoddie

@upstaphan  I believe you mean that 78% of people agree that Wheeler, d'Arnaud, Dilson Herrera, Lucas Duda (and not Ike), Noah Syndergaard, etc. etc. are the bomb diggity.

zoddie
zoddie

@John Paul Cullinane  I think you have a very short memory.  The Mets did get guys this past offseason - exactly what you asked for.  They had huge holes in the outfield, so they signed Grandy (good) and CY (terrible, but a 1-year deal).  They took a few flyers on some old guys like Lannan, Abreu, Valverde, and Farnsworth, almost all of which didn't work out but did not block any prospects.  Since Harvey went down, he signed Colon which has worked out pretty well.


As for the deadline, of course we didn't do anything.  We are not buyers (we weren't that close to .500 at the deadline, let alone contending for a wild card) and had no one to sell (Gee and Niese aren't pitching that well and we don't want to sell low).


You're also discounting player development.  The draft is a crapshoot, but how you develop talent and organizational philosophy matters.  We've seen that with Wheeler most recently, both in the minors and majors.

anymos
anymos

@Mikey J You might want to take a look at just how long Miami has been rebuilding.  Just because they went apesh!t one year signing expensive free agents and sold them all off after one season doesn't mean the rebuilding started at that point.  After winning the World Series in 2003, they had two third place seasons and kicked off their latest rebuild in 2006 when they traded Beckett away.

specialk
specialk

@Max Denby Wow I'm amazed that someone with your qualifications and obvious knowledge of the sport hasn't been hired by a team but then again as you said its pretty easy to rebuild any team.  Haven't the Cubs been tanking for decades? How about the Royals? they've been rebuilding since the 80's or 90's.  If its so easy why haven't they had a few championships? 

anymos
anymos

@Max Denby Any idiot can show no understanding of what it takes to rebuild a baseball team from the ground up.

zoddie
zoddie

@Mike Caravella  It is absolutely the right time.  It is always the right time (within reason).  Sandy and co have done a great job rebuilding the organization so far.

BerryBeltran
BerryBeltran

@kefhrny17 I would of liked to see a third option "Remains to be seen" That is how I would vote

Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno
Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno

@kefhrny17 Why?.. look at where we WERE and where we ARE and ABOUT TO GO. Alderson has done a great job, given what he came into. This is only going to get better. 


Im actually surprised that most fans on this site approve because generally speaking NY FANS are not very bright. A lot of fans on THIS SITE actually have sense. LGM 15!

zoddie
zoddie

@specialk @Max Denby  It only took the Pirates, what, three years after Bonds and Bonilla to "build their farm," right?


What's that?  It took them over TWENTY YEARS?


I thought it was so easy!

BerryBeltran
BerryBeltran

@Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno @kefhrny17 Where are we now? A 4th losing season? Where were we? Competing in the division? And where are we about to go? No one knows that yet unless they improve the offense. He has not been horrible but lets not act like he has been a savior....some fans are so one sided...either all for or all against...he has been a mixed bag at best

Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno
Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno

@BerryBeltran @Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno @kefhrny17 Just for a second, stop looking at the standings. Consider just where this franchise was in terms on the Minors, Evaluation/Draft philosophy, Payroll, Issues off field involving the media, personal etc and the overall direction of this franchise. a team can be 81-81 and be on a very bad losing trajectory (yankees, etc), or a team can be on a very good winning trajectory (Marlins, Mets), The Mets 5 years ago.. were DOOMED, on the way down and a laughing stock.. today.. this team is poised to have one of the best (if not the best) (along with the 4th best Minor league system), pitching staff in baseball next year, and with 2-3 very valuable veterans can probably make the playoffs in 2015,. Now do you see my point?.. standings don't tell the whole story my friend. Settle down and have patience we are rising.

metsab
metsab

@BerryBeltran @Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno @kefhrny17 I hear ya @Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno but he doesn't get an open wallet, like say Cashman does. He is general manager for a team in NY and should have that opportunity. I also think its hard to judge him because maybe there are moves he wanted to make, but he knows these guys won't spend.

BerryBeltran
BerryBeltran

@metsab @Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno @kefhrny17 Really? Because prior to Sandy, the last year we had a payroll this low was 2000. Sandy can't improvise and select wisely? So he gets praised on the good moves but gets a pass because he has no money to spend? How is that fair?

metsab
metsab

@BerryBeltran You make some great points. And its no secret how the Wilpons operate, every GM who takes this job knows what a challenge it is.